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I blame it on the car. That and all involved in the car industry. Particularly driving instructors.
parents fault, they should have some control over what their child eats. IMO it's verging on child cruelty, a child of the size the OP mentions will already have serious health issues, such as a massive risk of diabetes
Healthy food is cheaper than processed junk, as TJ says you just have to get off your lardy ass and prepare it. pretty much all my meals (we have pizza on friday as a treat, rock n roll!) are made from scratch from fresh ingredients. For me, my wife and my 8 month old son we spend 60 quid a week on food, could do it cheaper if we bought value brands
Unless the kid is doing the shopping and stocking the larder with junk food, parents/carers buying the food has to be the major factor; kid can't eat cake etc if it's not there to be eaten...
On the +ve side, going swimming will help to address the issue, if done regularly.
It may genuinely be a genetic thing though - who knows?
They don't seem to have genetic or glandular problems in many third world countries.
Personally I think the answer ia quite complex and there are several factors involved, for me;
I do blame it on sunshine
I do blame it on moonlight
I do blame it on good times
But I don't blame it on the boogie,
Which I think does contradict the common belief.
surely its the teachers fault? dont the schools have some responsibility to bring our kids up right?! us parents dont have time to cook dammit... how would we get our time on the X-box in at night if we had to spend time cooking vegetables! 😈
So to sum up, its everyone else's fault. Not mine. I guess that's a good summary to the UK in 2011.
I may not be expensive to eat a healthy diet, but you can eat an unhealthy diet cheaper.
I spend circa £20 on fruit a week to go with my pack lunch and the odd bit at home. I could by crisps a lot cheaper.
Vegetables are the same, they used to be a lot cheaper they are extortionate now.
But for the life of me I can not understand why anyone would consider a Macy D a treat !!!!
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But for the life of me I can not understand why anyone would consider a Macy D a treat !!!!
That's because you don't understand how the magical and wonderful marketing machine works. 😈
Eating McDonalds will make you an athlete NOT fat see! 🙄
Ultimately its the parents.
However as humans have evolved we are making life easier for our selves so we have to do less physical activity, whilst making foods that make us fatter.
a lot of the time they just can't afford higher quality healthier food
Nonsense. Maybe theyre not educated in where to look and how to cook it, but it is FAR cheaper to cook from half-decent quality fresh ingredients. Myself and my other half (neither of whome have small appetites) live happily off meals that cost 4-5 quid for 4-6 large portions. Stir fry, sausage jambowhatsit, mince dishes with fat fried off etc) We generally live off about £40 a week food budget (breakfast, evening meals and some lunches in that.) and not through trying, we buy what we need. We have some beers, we have some nice pre-made desserts, but not often. I really can't see how people spend so much unless they buy everything pre-made.
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They don't seem to have genetic or glandular problems in many third world countries.
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I think the point is that genetic disorders can cause massive weight gains from relatively small amounts of food. So is the solution to starve people if they have such disorders or manage it in sensible ways - ie letting them eat normal amounts but ensure they take exercise. Such as swimming.
Of course he MAY just be a bloater but let's not assume that.
Of course he might be a bloater who has decided he needs to do something about it and, if so, good on him.
mastiles_fanylionI think the point is that genetic disorders can cause massive weight gains from relatively small amounts of food.
Such as? I can't think of one. Its very simnple - you only get fat if you overeat. Calories in / calories out
there is a genetic disorder whereby people are always hungry - but they only get fat if they overeat. If they eat normal amounts they don't get fat.
You cannot get fat from a normal amount of food
its not as simple as 'parents to blame'. yes, in many cases, yes partially in many cases, but when, like me you have a daughter who is lardy (not as bad as the kid in question i hasten to add)and has no interest in exercise or doing anything even slightly active (like her mother) at all without a huge strop and fight what the f@ck can you do. if anyone has the answer please post because i don't know what to do.
cut down her calorie intake?
I think the point is that genetic disorders can cause massive weight gains from relatively small amounts of food
I don't think there are to be honest, IIRC all of the genetic "tendencies" identified actually are just appetite issues - i.e. you don't feel as full as someone else would when you actually are. I'm fairly sure there's no disorder that snaffles energy from the air and makes you store it as fat. If there were such a disorder that made you super-efficient at converting food to energy to store as fat, I'm sure athletes would like to know, but they can't store more than they take in.
but when, like me you have a daughter who is lardy (not as bad as the kid in question i hasten to add)and has no interest in exercise or doing anything even slightly active (like her mother) at all without a huge strop and fight what the f@ck can you do
Tough question. Maybe get the mother doing something first as she is old enough to realise the damage she's doing by being a poor role model. Make exercise a fun family day out? If it's not possible to make exercise a fun family event, fix what's up with your family dynamics/peoples self esteem first? Stop her eating as much, and if she moans tell her she needs to exercise before she can eat more - surely being a parent involves being the bad guy at times.
Let her walk to school.
Don't drive her around in a car.
Cut calorie intake.
Go out at the weekend as a family for a walk.
Find some physical activity she enjoys.
Have you tried any of the above?
Fair enough - must be my misunderstanding of how these genetic disorders effect weight.
surely being a parent involves being the bad guy at times.
Nail on the head.
Not having a go at gavtheoldskater as what I'm about to say might not apply; but it really gets me when parents\kids say 'jessica\mum\dad is my best friend' - we do not need to be our kid's best friend
Such as? I can't think of one. Its very simnple - you only get fat if you overeat. Calories in / calories outthere is a genetic disorder whereby people are always hungry - but they only get fat if they overeat. If they eat normal amounts they don't get fat.
You cannot get fat from a normal amount of food
Very true Teej. It's been proven that a healthy lifestye can overcome 'fat genetics'. Yes, there are a very few people that have glandular or other problems, but it is VERY few.
I'm overweight, becasue I like to eat a lot. But it's 90% home made and just sooooooo tasty!
Re: 'Not being able to afford healthy food' - It's utter, UTTER shite. The 2 of us live on about £40-50 a week including all our food including 10 packed lunches, the odd beer and me spending £30 every few weeks at the butchers. We can cook a healthy meal for pennies and it's rarely more than as few quid for the two of us. Mrs PP is veggie, but I won't eat battery chickens any more and my meat comes from a local butchers and is TOP quality. Fresh vegetables are dirt cheap!
People that claim this are either lazy, or just don't know how cheap and easy it is becasue they were borught up on takeaways and ready meals. They just don't know how easy uit is to do. Even I can do a nice spag bol from fresh ingredients (Not a jar of sauce) in 20 mins or so... including my own garlic bread! Mrs PP makes small pies. Veggie ones for her, meat for me. She makes 5-6 of each (And she's fast, cirtainly under an hour) and frezzes them. Whip one out of the freezer in the morning, come home, oven on, veg chopped, 25mins later we eat. That's 30 mins including making the pie.
But people just can't be bothered. if they put as much effort into cooking as they do moaning, they'd be OK. But they'd rather moan for 10 minutes about something than work for 5 on doing it!!!!!!
Sorry. Rant over. 🙂
+1 PeterPoddy
I want to start making pies this year...
[i]But surely the food manufacturers should be brought into line? Advertising on TV at kids programme times should be controlled surely?[/i]
I wouldn't hold your breath on this one.
[url] http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/nov/12/mcdonalds-pepsico-help-health-policy [/url]
I want Mrs PP pie recipes too!
They just don't know how easy uit is to do. Even I can do a nice spag bol from fresh ingredients (Not a jar of sauce) in 20 mins or so... including my own garlic bread! Mrs PP makes small pies. Veggie ones for her, meat for me.
I'm guessing from what you've written that there's just the two of you ? Time is much scarcer when you've a few kids to ferry around and look after. Cooking properly is time consuming as is shopping at smaller shops for decent ingredients. It's not all about the cost of food. It's hard to have the time to eat well, even more so when you both have to work.
it is poor to blame manufacturers for the purchases their customers make no one forces them to but the crap they make.
gav is it just the teenage years and being lazy or has she always been like this?
I have no great advice some people are different i have a friend who is happy to overeat and not exercise - he gets out of breath going up two flights of stairs but it does not bother him. People , even our kids, get to make their own choices you can only do your best/try but it is her choice good luck.
Its the advertising industry, supermarkets and fast food places to blame
I think this is what's wrong with our society, no one is encouraged to take any sort of responsibly for their own actions. So much easier to absolve yourself from blame and point the fingure at someone else so you can sleep easy at night. Of course the industry should take some responsibly but the but of the blame for fat kids lies pretty much with the parents.
Cooking properly is time consuming as is shopping at smaller shops for decent ingredients. It's not all about the cost of food. It's hard to have the time to eat well, even more so when you both have to work.
I've got an 8 month old, my and my wife both work, I do it. I Make all of Juniors meals on the weekend and freeze them, maybe make a fish pie and freeze that, we make quick meals every night, takes about 30 mins - 1 hour.
Time is much scarcer when you've a few kids to ferry around and look after. Cooking properly is time consuming as is shopping at smaller shops for decent ingredients.
Back in the 70s both my parents worked full time, we ate home cooked meals almost every night. It wasn't an issue.
Mind you my parents did not "ferry us around" we cycled / walked and got busses
+1 trailmonkey
The condescending nature of some here is quite funny. There are far more fundamental reasons than laziness when it comes to obesity. Yes, it is a factor. At the same time, I know a fair few people who are overweight who are certainly not lazy.
Why is there no outcry at McDonalds being the "official restaurant" of tge 2012 Olympics?
deadly Darcy such as?
It really is simple - if you eat more calories than you use you get fat - me I am at least 10 kg overweight
I agree parents are often responsible, but they can't be with their children 24 hours a day.I'm sure my mum and dad thought I was buying healthy school meals, not a couple of bars of chocolate, crisps and cherry coke!
I want Mrs PP pie recipes too!
Mostly meat to be fair. There's not many gaps in it! 🙂
Ham ends (Cheap) from the supermarket in a pie with a bit of parsley sauce is good. Stewing steak, bit of onion and mushroom.
You can get packs of small foil pie conatainers from Wilkinsons, which makes it easier.
I'm hungry now. 😉
Can we get a "healthy + cheap" recipes thread? I'm a pretty good cook (Tartiflette is my special) but inspiration is severly lacking. Usually end up buying something on my way home to eat which means something in a tin/box/carton.
"Can we get a "healthy + cheap" recipes thread"
Make that quick too !
Back in the 70s.........
It was a different world with different lifestyles and expectations and not comparable at all.
deadly Darcy such as?
More dogma from a mental health professional? Sometimes I really do despair 😐
That bariatric consultant had some interesting points on the "Britain's Fattest Man" programme regarding our attitude to food. It is actually ok to feel hungry sometimes. We've become such a slave to our feelings. For anyone who thinks it really is cheaper to eat healthily ie by cooking all your food from first principle and freezing it etc, I'd say take a trip to Iceland (the shop).
Rubbish trailmonkey - absoloute piffle. What do you do now that we didn't do then? Apart from ferry your kids around in a car which is a part of the problem
You said there was not time with two working parents to cook properly. Of course there is - I know families who do so now and that was an example of a family who did.
DD - I agree there are serious contributing factors but they are not fundamental.
Maybe it would simplify things if we just called advertising and marketing education as well then it would be simpler to understand the relative strength of each competing message.¨The free marketeers could then not hide behind to freedom of choice malarkey.
DD - I agree there are serious contributing factors but they are not fundamental.
Ah right TJ, we're into semantics now. What I'm trying to say is that, no matter how much you bleat on about your calories in equals/not equal to calories out equation/inequality, that message is not getting through. There are fundamental attitudes to food with which we're now raised that should be changed.
(to bring this on topic and inject a little Friday fun)
I blame Lazio!! If he wasn't too busy crying over his "lost" subs copy, he would surely of been standing outside supermarkets/shops wearing a sandwich board and angrily waving his copy of the Daily Mail at those responible for obesity!!! (and the Nazi's and the death of Diana)
id rather eat something out a box than a defrosted, reheated lasagna i made a week ago, always, always tastes vile, despite tasting excellent the day of cooking, so batch cooking is waste, nothing tastes the same once frozen and defrosted
I find the opposite dirtyrider, I find the huge lasagne I cook fairly dull on the day of cooking, but once it's been stewing in the fridge for a few days it just tastes better and better. Having said that I'm not actually freezing, just chilling, so that might make a big difference to the taste.
so batch cooking is waste, nothing tastes the same once frozen and defrosted
Most foods taste better when they've been left to cool, then freeze. Their texture can suffer at times, but generally most stuff gets more flavoursome. But even if you do believe it tastes worse (I disagree entirely) you're a parent and on low income, do you choose food that tastes slightly worse than original but is healthy and cheap, or do you buy crap and feed it to your fattening kids?
And there's not even any need to freeze it, something like a lasagne, or a pasta dish etc, will remain covered and edible for several days.