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if they were a big performance influence then they’d not have shown the real floor until the first test,
Not so sure. The first test is next Wednesday and given how integral the floor is to the aero the other teams won't have time to react before then. The cars are a homogenous aerodynamic package and it takes time to change even a small detail and have that detail integrate with the rest of the package.
Coupled with the cost cap and restrictions to how much of the package can be changed I don't think a 3 or 4 day lead time will amount to much one way or the other even if the other teams did think it was worth copying.
Watched an interesting tale on the McLaren pull-rod front. It’s suggested that the depth of previous nose designs is an influence; as previously shallow nose designs loaded the suspension in a way unfavourable to pull rod designs. Now that section of the nose is deeper, the loading is not so much of an issue, and the advantages of the design (mostly aero) start to be more positively influential.
although it has to be said, the McLaren engineering team have said ( about the fact they’re the only team doing this) “either it’s really great and we’ve stolen a lead, or really bad and we’ve done our sums wrong”
I think that with Masi being sacked we need to accept what Hamilton said and move on. Either Max or Lewis would have been a worthy champion. It didn't work out for Lewis, but Max didn't do anything wrong and it's time to drop it.
https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/1494654698846146564
Sounds like no boxes of tissues were needed at the car launch! 🙂
Sponsored by Apple I believe. The i-wipe.
thols2
Free MemberI think that with Masi being sacked we need to accept what Hamilton said and move on. Either Max or Lewis would have been a worthy champion. It didn’t work out for Lewis, but Max didn’t do anything wrong and it’s time to drop it.
I never held Max responsible whatsoever. If the FIA come out and admit it was an error and make decent revisions to ensure it doesn't happen again then maybe I'll forget about it. Otherwise nope, the sport continues to be diminished in my eyes. I'm optimistic about the changes announced so far though.
The only beef I have with Max is the tedious running-off-the-track manoeuvre he does every single time which is ruining the racing.
The only beef I have with Max...
...is Max.
If the FIA come out and admit it was an error and make decent revisions to ensure it doesn’t happen again then maybe I’ll forget about it.
They sacked Masi. That's what you're going to get.
thols2
They sacked Masi. That’s what you’re going to get.
Better than nothing. I wish they'd publish the report. I hate this behind closed doors bullshit. Same with the Ferrari engine thing.
Anyway the W13 is out on track 😎
After the tailwind?
I think that with Masi being sacked we need to accept what Hamilton said and move on. Either Max or Lewis would have been a worthy champion. It didn’t work out for Lewis, but Max didn’t do anything wrong and it’s time to drop it
Worthy sentiment and if the FIA have done enough to knock this on the head, people will forget about it. If they haven't and people still feel aggrieved about last year's shit show, then unfortunately it's going to keep raising it's ugly head, even if we don't want it to. That's just how these things work unfortunately
Surely taking over Haas would've been a much better idea than starting from scratch. That would have come with a Ferrari engine deal, whereas he's going to be stuck with a Renault now. That probably means that Gene Haas asked for too much, which hopefully he's decided it's worth staying in F1 for the long term. The alternative is probably that Haas has already done a deal with Mazepin's dad.
https://twitter.com/MarioAndretti/status/1494772955712135170
Interesting. Must admit I thought the 200m thing would prevent any new teams joining.
Apparently the $200m is negotiable. If an entry can persuade the F1 management people that it is viable and will increase the value of the sport, it can be reduced or waived entirely. I assume that Andretti thinks that he can persuade the engine suppliers and marketing people that having a credible American team would be worth more than $200m.
Also, I think Andretti are part owners in an Australian Supercars team along with the Walkinshaw family and Zac Brown. Having a friendly relationship with McLaren might make things easier, the obvious thing to do would be to buy as many components in to start with and lease windtunnel time instead of building a new one.
Got to be the best looking crop of cars in……….. I don’t even know years
Got to be the best looking crop of cars in……….. I don’t even know years
Yes, the AM was stunning, none of them look terrible.
I'm actually enjoying the zaniness of the Ferrari. Literally none of it makes sense! Amazing 👍
Surely taking over Haas would’ve been a much better idea than starting from scratch. That would have come with a Ferrari engine deal, whereas he’s going to be stuck with a Renault now. That probably means that Gene Haas asked for too much, which hopefully he’s decided it’s worth staying in F1 for the long term. The alternative is probably that Haas has already done a deal with Mazepin’s dad.
A new team to liven up the field! Another thing to look forward too. Between that and the exciting new designs coming out this year it's nice to have something positive to talk about for a change!!
What do we think to the new "show and tell" media sessions? I'm intrigued as to how obscure they can be about changes while still adhering to the requirement to disclose upgrades. Also I feel sorry for the likes of Scarbs who apparently used to be able to spot that Redbull had added an extra 5mm slot in the floor or whatever - now everyone will be told.
Eddie Jordan’s comments in that bbc article on the previous page are absolutely wild! Hamilton is too nice which allowed Verstappen to “steal” the title.. WTF?! Ahhhh well aye mate, so if Hamilton had been a dickhead then he’d have his 8th WDC.. righto..
I mean I’m not sure why I’m surprised.. He then goes on to say he’s too nice and nice guys don’t win titles 🤣 talking about the most successful F1 driver of all time. Mentalist
So McLaren and Red Bull running pull-rod front suspension, AT running pushrod like everyone else. I guess the benefits of either system are fairly small and not going to be decisive.
https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1495362445820538886
The folks at Alpine have been watching too much Disney.
Looking at the Haas today it’s loaded with little detail touches - this Alpine looks very conventional. Alonso could find himself propping up the back of the grid! 🤣🤣
The alternate scheme for Alpine for the first two races makes my eyes hurt, but at least Mazepin can't claim "I didn't see it in my mirrors".
We've a test this week, which will be an anti-climax given the Bahrain gig, so I expect that teams will be using Barcelona to verify that their real world data is in line with their sim predictions. Those teams who quickly establish confidence in their pre-season number crunching can get an early march on the finer details. Some teams will have an early advantage, some won't.
Now Planet F1's slide into irrelevance has gone into free fall with mandated sign up, which F1 news sites are we all using?
the-race.com
Racefans.net
Motorsport.com
Scarbstech on twitter
PlanetF1 is just tabloid F1! 😀
Still looks free to me though? 🤔
or for insider information, William Storey's twitter account.
William Storey’s twitter account.
That ghastly bell is retweeting Toby Young, another ghastly bell. Any chance of a summary?
Anyone else sad interested enough to be really excited about testing?
Sky F1 warming up ready for tomorrow 🙂
I'm always excited by testing! 🙂
Definitely. Feels like the beginning of the hybrid era, but we can be comfortable knowing that the cars will actually drive!
Disappointed that they're effectively running the first test behind closed doors - it'll be interesting to see what gets released each day. I just hope nobody's 'Done a Brawn' - especially RedBull! (or 'Done a Honda' either)
(or ‘Done a Honda’ either)
Remind me- what did Honda do?
Done a Brawn - Found an interpretation in the rules that allows for a massive advantage
Done a Honda - Come back into F1 after much razzamatazz to found out to be all fur coat and no knickers
I just hope nobody’s ‘Done a Brawn’
Oh I don't know, it would be nice if Williams have.
Renault will have done a Honda - new car, new engine, new aero, new bosses - it has forward facing exhausts written all over it! 🙂
it’ll be interesting to see what gets released each day.
Sky F1 have a 30 mini daily summary at 8pm Weds-Friday.
Renault will have done a Honda – new car, new engine, new aero, new bosses – it has forward facing exhausts written all over it! 🙂
Haha!
Alpha Tauri on track - is that a split in the floor?
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https://www.racefans.net/2022/02/22/first-pictures-new-alphatauri-at03-makes-track-debut-at-misano/
Anyone else taking a while to get used to the stance of these cars? I think they look good but at first glance the front wing looks miles up in the air and the rear wing is lower than I expect it.
Stance is fine to my eyes - I hated the high take cars.
Rear wings still look odd though, fine from the side but from some front views they look massive and ugly to me - like this…
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