[Closed] F1 2017 (Bound to contain spoilers!)

For those who were asking about F1 testing coverage on TV - here is what Sky are doing (I don't know about any other broadcasters)...

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10725059/f1-car-launches-and-pre-season-testing-how-to-follow-on-sky-f1

Looks like they forgot to paint some of the Haas

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the-muffin-man - Member
For those who were asking about F1 testing coverage on TV - here is what Sky are doing (I don't know about any other broadcasters)...

Thanks for that! I haven't got Sky though unfortunately! 🙂

I think the Haas scheme is my favourite so far. Car still looks like a kids idea of more winglets/aero is bestest.

I wonder how much those new front wings cost, I seem to remember a few years ago someone from Williams saying they were £125K a pop.

So surely the best designer of the modern F1 era can come up with something good...

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Maybe we'll find out when someone turns the lights on..

Front of the nose looks like it's ready for a hoover attachment to be plugged in 😕

Quite like the HAAS though.

Is it me or does the front wings on every car seem way out of proportion to the resat of the car? Makes them look heavy!

Torro Rosso looks nice!...

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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/02/26/pictures-toro-rosso-present-their-new-car-for-2017/

Toro rosso, best looking car of the bunch by a mile 🙂

At least the McLaren will go faster than last year now button has taken to the beach full time now.

Mingers, all of them. Whoever allowed the regulations to let people run shark fins needs sacking 🙂

Agreed, the Toro Rosso looks the best by far. Nice to see that they'll finally be looking significantly different to the Red Bulls too! I never could tell them apart on track lol

never could tell them apart on track

You're in good company...neither could Crofty half the time 8)

Here we go.... who's secretly hoping for McLaren (Honda) to clock up a ton of laps while Merc struggle to get out of the pit lane?

I am, but I'm not going to bet on it.

Looks like there is at least 4 teams running a 'T' wing lol

Daniel Ricciardo's already broken down, perma-grin now absent!

McLaren also down, with an 'oil-systems issue'. Not much good news re: reliability so far!

Shermer - was going to post the same thing...

"Bad news for McLaren. Honda has found an oil systems issue, which requires a full investigation. The team plans to run again today, but "due to the difficult access location, it will take several hours to resolve"."

Haven't we been here before?

We have! Also watching the Autosport live feed. Piccie of Haas' attempt to camouflage that massive fin:

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Any radio commentary anywhere?

Not that I know of..

Looks like BBC 5 are covering it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007m6lj

The McLaren revival looks to be a bit of a damp squib. So far, we've a livery that no-one likes, no title sponsor(s) and a fault which means that only one hundredth of Merc's total lappage has been completed so far. That's really going to hurt the team in the opening rounds.

To be fair to Zach Brown, most of the reasons behind McLaren's malaise were down to corporate in-fighting and Ron Dennis' genius for falling out with important people, but you'd have hoped that after two seasons together, McLaren and Honda could make engine and chassis play nicely.

Tenner says that Alonso will be thinking about packing his bags.

Tenner says that Alonso will be thinking about packing his bags.

2 T-Wings for Williams...

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Merc looking Bombproof again, but Ferrari also looking OK. I thought Renault would have been higher up the time sheets.

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Are those pull shocks I see on rear suspension??

most of the reasons behind McLaren's malaise were down to corporate in-fighting and Ron Dennis' genius for falling out with important people, but you'd have hoped that after two seasons together, McLaren and Honda could make engine and chassis play nicely.

I don't think that's true, Mclaren have had a duff chassis for years now (pre-Ron Dennis' return) and Honda have been dreadful since they came back into F1. TBH I can't see Mclaren being a force in F1 for a long time yet, and possibly ever again.

legend - Member
Are those pull shocks I see on rear suspension??

not sure but people on f1tech are saying there's a lot more chassis roll on the williams than previously

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and some speculation on the t-wings

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Postby bhall II » 27 Feb 2017, 16:54

Now that I've seen the Williams version, I submit that T-wings reduce downforce coefficient at high speeds.

At low speeds, they'll do next to nothing, simply because they're too small. But, at higher speeds, their wake will be sufficient to redirect air flow away from the rear wing, reducing its efficiency.

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It's not the same thing as reducing downforce. Downforce will still increase with speed; it'll just happen at a slower rate above a certain airspeed threshold. Moreover, such an effect would be particularly useful now that the aero coupling of the rear wing to the diffuser is much stronger.

I should imagine Ferrari will be reasonably satisfied.

If that is indeed what the T wings are doing, which certainly appears plausible, then I'll forgive how they look for the wonderful engineering thinking involved. Effectively they're tuning the downforce curve - presumably the idea is that their angles/positions will be changed for each circuit in order to tune the speed at which they kick in to be just above that of the fastest corner where more downforce is essential (not necessarily the fastest corner where more downforce makes a difference - I'd imagine it's worth taking a slight hit on that for improved speed on all the straights).

LH: "most likely we're going to be doing a lot more one-stoppers as there's less degradation, and there's going to be less overtaking. That's my estimation but I might be wrong."

08:07 The McLaren has stopped at the pit entry - mechanics rush to retrieve the MCL32 with Vandoorne at the wheel.

Great start to day 2.... 🙁

...just off to the bookies to stick £10 on Button being in the car in Australia! 😀

£10. Very conservative.

The McLaren revival looks to be a bit of a damp squib.

I dunno. Their motor now sounds like a motor. The off beat farting noise of last year has gone.

If they pursue a conventional route it'll be a better year.

Not if they (McLaren) keep making school boy errors like badly shaped oil tanks!

Not if they (McLaren) keep making school boy errors like badly shaped oil tanks!

Apparently they now have a prob with getting power to the power unit. Shouldn't that be the other way round? Lol

Need moar wingz!!

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Ming the Merciless - Member
Not if they (McLaren) keep making school boy errors like badly shaped oil tanks!

Wonder if that's down to Mclaren or Honda. Strange that it didn't show up in any of the running they would have done on the bench. Then again, it didn't show up 2015's issues either...

Alonso must really be kicking himself that he committed to McLaren for 2017 after being in the frame for Rosberg's vacant seat.

Van Doorne can't seem to get within five seconds of the top lap time recorded by Merc this morning. There's always a huge leap made during testing, but if Merc are this fast on day two and McLaren are watching everything from the pit lane, then it's a reasonable conclusion that 2017 will be yet another midfield at best year for them.

They clearly can't use the Honda engine to it's maximum, which will hold up the necessary understanding and development of the aero package.

Mercs times were on heavy fuel loads as well. They are making the rest of the pack look silly.

Its fine all the others are just taking it easy doing consistent times to compare the different options correctly. Come race day they'll switch to "sport" mode and all be giving Merc a run for their money.
[/rose tinted glasses]

If there isn't going to be a battle for the front lets at least hope 3rd to 8th places are similar pace so there is some mid pack action. I'm a Williams fan but mostly neutral so as long as there are some fights going on I don't really care what position.

Still looking forward to Red Bull upping the tempo!!

I bet young Mr Stroll feels a bit stupid!!

Ferarri put a very fast time in- best of the day, and on mediums too! I'd take taht as a good sign for the coming season...

Edit: I meant softs! Hamilton was on super-soft lol