[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Arguing with my first cousin once removed on fb. He admits there's a big risk to the economy and jobs. I asked him what we gain in return, he said "a chance to make history".

Er ok, I'd rather have a job though as would most people I expect.

I know, thm, youd think the chancellor that stopped teh tories from dragging us into the Euro, wouldve been a hero to the outies!

Awesome there Jamby, love the policy there Control (Yeah), Bigots (awesome) Gordon Brown (you're getting me excited here)

@mike take it up with Vote Leave, seems pretty obvious use of the image and his remark and clearly targetted at left wing voters who had their last prime minister call a late middle aged woman a bigot.

@kimbers don't think a Tory government ever considered the €, twas Labour who gave it serious consideration with many on that side side saying it would be a disaster if we stayed out.

@mike take it up with Vote Leave, seems pretty obvious use of the image and his remark and clearly targetted at left wing voters who had their last prime minister call a late middle aged woman a bigot.

Perhaps she was

Duffy interjected: "You can't say anything about the immigrants because you're saying that you're … but all these eastern European what are coming in, where are they flocking from?"

It's a real lame ad trying to say it's OK you can be racist

nah, its targetd at bigots who dont like being called bigots

now about project fear.....
[img] [/img]

that aaron banks really is a horrible person, but he knows his target demographic

Anyway, imo that poster is clearly targetted at Labour voters

...and to remind them that, if in doubt, blame Johnny Foreigner.

The root of all our problems - who mentioned xenophobia?

What possible link is there between a shooting in the US and the EU? Was the shooter actually a Polish plumber? Even by Leave standards this seems bizarre.

FFS Its not an official Leave campaign poster

Yes come on Doc, the officlal VL xenophobia is far more subtle. 😉

jambalaya - Member
FFS Its not an official Leave campaign poster

FFS Its not an official Leave campaign poster

Aaah I see, so we can expect Farage and Gove to publicly disown it?

LUckily they left the really bad racist free to do their own thing and appeal to their own demographic

Are you happy to be voting with and campaigning with folk who think like this?

Are you?

Junkyard - lazarus

Are you happy to be voting with and campaigning with folk who think like this?

Are you?

Says the person who is happy to jump both feet first into bed with someone who shuns democracy and is financially as bent as a nine euro note.
😆
Except it isn't funny.

What possible link is there between a shooting in the US and the EU? Was the shooter actually a Polish plumber? Even by Leave standards this seems bizarre.

No it makes perfect sense, The talk of Turks joining the EU, the fact that Turks are muslims, therefore Turks must all be ISIS. That we support the problem that is wahbisim and the house of Saud, gets glossed over.

Des.per.a.tion chaps, pure and simple. Making up stuff to be offended at now. Trust me thats winning you zero votes.

Gordon was out campaigning today, I am starting to believe the Corbyn theories that he's deliberately not campaigning as he fundamentally supports Leave and is more interested in Chilcot. Perhaos he thinks Tory disarray over a Leave will help Labour in 2020, a win-win from his perspective ?

That we support the problem that is wahbisim and the house of Saud, gets glossed over.

We support Turkey through NATO. Very different that Visa free travel and EU candidacy.

I assume you are aware of the widespread belief that Turkey supported IS not least through oil purchases and turning a blind eye to 10's thousands of fighters crossing is border unimpeded ?

Ex-PM Gordon Brown kept banging on about being a leader in EU, I mean how delusional can you be to think BritLand can lead again?

The EU is going to gangbang BritLand easy ...

Look at your current leaders none got the balls require to lead coz all look after their self interest.

jambalaya - Member

We support Turkey through NATO

And the European Investment Bank.

I've been reading through lots of parliamentary questions and answers on the European Parliament website.
On one hand it's a fantastic open resource to any EU citizen with internet access, on the other hand it has really shown me how much power the Commission have and how they only have their own interests at heart.
It is of no wonder that the EU is expansionist; with every additional member, a country's voice becomes even quieter.

Go and have a read, you might be unpleasantly surprised.

Who's the desperate party?

The one now campaigning with the lowest common denominations - xenophobia. Scared of Gordon Brown even!! The ones who define the debate in terms of them and us. Hide away in isolation rather than cooperate with close partners. Sad, sad spectacle.

No need to panic over rogue polls - CMD did that with Scotland. There are enough sensible people who can see through the narcissism and xenophobia.

Bring the vote on today, Lets get it over with before the xenophobia becomes hatred and even more intense. It's sad enough to watch already.

teamhurtmore - Member
The one now campaigning with the lowest common denominations - xenophobia. Scared of Gordon Brown even!!

Thatcher was your last leader ... the rest just wannabes. 😆

Des.per.a.tion chaps, pure and simple. Making up stuff to be offended at now. Trust me thats winning you zero votes.

Who are you addressing? Are you under the impression that someone here is campaigning for votes? Del.u.sion.al

Des.per.a.tion chaps, pure and simple. Making up stuff to be offended at now. Trust me thats winning you zero votes.

You really do live on a different planet to the rest of us...!

Thatcher was your last leader ... the rest just wannabes.

[img] [/img]

Looking at that list on the last page, surely the brexit mob will be happy about all the jobs being created in Eastern Europe via grants as this means there's less need for those chaps to come here for jobs? There you go, the euro lot actively working to reduce immigration to the uk!

European grants are for regeneration - so yes, they'll be aimed at creating opportunity in areas that are economically deprived. See also trail centre funding like Bike Park Wales and the 7 Stanes.

Europe will try and stimulate investment in deprived areas whether we're in or out. Leaving the EU isn't going to stop companies leaving, that's globalisation (can't say I approve of it but it's a reality). But staying means that we also get a share of that funding.

And correct, if you create local employment it's less likely that people will travel in search of work.

Making up stuff to be offended at now.

If you are not offended by that then the irrational hate is strong in you.

Asked if he condemned the comments, he replied: “I think it is completely pointless to try and make something out of what is a tragedy in America.

“It has nothing to do with this debate at all, and I abhor anybody who tries to make capital out of that.”

WHat sort of person is more heartless and less touchy feely than him?

teamhurtmore - Member

Who's the desperate party?

The one now campaigning with the lowest common denominations - xenophobia. Scared of Gordon Brown even!! The ones who define the debate in terms of them and us. Hide away in isolation rather than cooperate with close partners. Sad, sad spectacle.

No need to panic over rogue polls - CMD did that with Scotland. There are enough sensible people who can see through the narcissism and xenophobia.

Bring the vote on today, Lets get it over with before the xenophobia becomes hatred and even more intense. It's sad enough to watch already.

I'd just like to point out that there are plenty of people that are anti-EU and not xenophobic.

I'm more foreign than British by blood, although British by birth.
I'm not scared of foreigners, I just don't like the dictatorial nature that the EU has taken.
Unfortunately, most people here would rather shout about the £350,000,000 figure than discuss anything more pertinent, or just shout "racist!" at anyone that doesn't agree with them.

Step back from the trees and look at the forest.

xxx
sbob.

You are deliberately missing the point. The poster was offensive but has NOTHING to do with the Leave campaign or Grass Roots Out.

EDIT: Here is what Farage had tonsay to Hillary Benn

[i]Pressed on Hilary Benn's call for him to apologise, he replied: "I would ask for Hilary Benn to apologise for the crimes of Chairman Mao," adding that "Hilary Benn is as close to Chairman Mao as I am to Leave.EU".[/i]

Making up stuff to be offended at now.

You are deliberately missing the point. The poster was offensive

When you have decided which of these two contradictory views is your actual true position perhaps we can discuss it?
Its impossible to debate with you as your argument is all over the place

Did farage manage to condemn the poster or it's sentiment?

mikewsmith - Member

Did Farage manage to condemn the poster or it's sentiment?

Dunno.
Would you like to condemn the anti-democratic stance of the EU leader?

can you explain exactly what you want us to condemn and i will answer it just as directly as you just did there?

Its not hard farage is either ok with what happened and the sentiment or he is not ok with it

its not a tough question.

Nope, just wondered as farage is probably happy he got a nice ad for free so doesn't need to condemn or complain just keep a little distance.
That and not bothering to do the job he was elected to do in the EU Parliament while collecting his massive bag of expenses.

Junkyard - lazarus

can you explain exactly what you want us to condemn and i will answer it just as directly as you just did there?

I condemn anti-democracy, you may not.
Would be nice to know how you feel on the subject.
That's pretty straight forward.

That and not bothering to do the job he was elected to do in the EU Parliament while collecting his massive bag of expenses.

The EU are generous with their expenses, aren't they?
Nothing like generous taxation levels to keep everyone in tow, either?

I was rather hoping you would explain why he was anti democratic rather than just repeat the claim.
I condemn anti democratic people like the Saudis and North Korea
See it was not hard to answer questions - why do you think Nigel did not?

As I have repeatedly stated, Jean-Claude Juncker is happy to deny the democratic wishes of member states.
You've followed this debate enough to know this, I'm not sure why you would try and take a position of false ignorance on the subject.

No idea about Nigel, I'm not a supporter of him.

President of the European Union (or President of Europe) does not exist. Nevertheless the term is often misused to mean any of:

President of the European Council (since 1 December 2014, Donald Tusk)
President of the European Commission (since 1 November 2014, Jean-Claude Juncker)
President of the European Parliament (since 1 July 2014, Martin Schulz)
Presidency of the Council of the European Union (since 1 January 2016, The Netherlands)

The post was established in 1958 and is elected by the European Parliament, on a proposal of the European Council for five-year terms. Once appointed, he or she, along with the Commission, is responsible to Parliament which can censure the President. The current President is Jean-Claude Juncker, who took office on 1 November 2014. He is a member of the European People's Party (EPP) and is the former Prime Minister of Luxembourg. Juncker is the twelfth President and his First Vice-President is Frans Timmermans.

I'm obviously talking about the president of the European commission.
The clue was in me mentioning him by name.
Forest, trees. 💡
Petty point scoring is pointless.

why not use the power of the elected Parliament to stop him?

Because enough different people have been put in place to ensure that there will never be a majority against.
There is no power.