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Mobilise the remain voters in the EU elections. Kick out the Eurosceptic MEPs. Keep ratcheting up the pressure.
Even farage says he wants an 12 to 18 month delay so that they can get a more Leave pm.
Of course leavers will blame May or Corbyn. What they are unlikely to accept is that the very idea of leaving is incredibly difficult without severe harm, and that's what we're facing.
Mobilise the remain voters in the EU elections. Kick out the Eurosceptic MEPs. Keep ratcheting up the pressure.
Post Brexit delay, I think this is absolutely critical if Remain want the Gov to take notice of how people are feeling. If UKIP/Brexit Party/EDL/BNP types gain votes and MEPs in the upcoming Euro elections then I foresee a hard Brexiteer PM taking control of the tories and it will further harden tory resolve to get a hard Brexit done.
This might be Remains only chance to make a difference at the polls as both Labour & tory manifestos are committed to respecting the Referendum result. For Remainers to not vote in the EU elections for a Remain MEP could prove very costly indeed.
It’s an opportunity to block Farage from being re-elected and stop his pension isn’t it?
Surely that should be the priority for the country now.
How many MEPs would a Revoke party get with 6 million votes?
How many MEPs would a Revoke party get with 6 million votes?
Depends on location of course, but last Euro elections we had a 12m turnout. I suspect most Gammon Leavers will 'boycot' the whole thing (I wonder how Farage will try to spin it to try to keep his pension) but I suspect UKIP to lose their arse.
but I suspect UKIP to lose their arse.
They will also be competing with Farages fan club or whatever the name of the new party he created.
Are the TIGgers actually an official political party yet? That you could actually vote for?
At any upcoming elections, EU or otherwise, we presently have a choice of:
Tories: Chaotic, incompetent Brexiteers who want to return to the 1800's, destroying the economy in the process
Labour: Disengaged, incompetent Red-Unicorn Brexiteers who want to return to the 1970's, destroying the economy in the process
UKIP: Bunch of Islamaphobic Nazi's
Farageworld: Isn't Nigel Great? Lets tow Blighty out towards the mid-Atlantic
Lib Dems: Who?
Given that Brexit is the only game in town right now, I reckon that makes 50% of the electorate who's votes are presently going begging
But this time (and I can't see many voting UKIP);
EU citizens living in the UK will be able to vote in the next European Elections, that will be held on May 2019. But their eligibility to vote will change compared to the previous elections on 2014.
Are the TIGgers actually an official political party yet?
That's their plan apparently.
I think they will do very well. People are more inclined to vote radically in 'other' elections i.e. non parliamentary.
Post Brexit delay, I think this is absolutely critical if Remain want the Gov to take notice of how people are feeling. If UKIP/Brexit Party/EDL/BNP types gain votes and MEPs in the upcoming Euro elections then I foresee a hard Brexiteer PM taking control of the tories and it will further harden tory resolve to get a hard Brexit done.
Most people will have 2 shots, local elections first then the EU, Tories are panicking about losing councils over this as True Blue Tory voters (about the only ones who turn out for local elections in those areas) can't support talking to a Marxist Terrorist and will vote elsewhere in protest. Taking votes to either Lib Dem or others might make a big change in the local level and really make life hard for May.
It would also be a good springboard of publicity for any EU elections.
Are the TIGgers actually an official political party yet?
They are trying to turn themselves into Change UK (although the existing political group Change aint happy about it for some reason) keeping independent in it as a tag line and have claimed that they have several hundred candidates waiting.
They still have to come up with a coherent set of ideas though and explain given that outside of brexit they will make tories/labour appear of one mind how they can be an effective party.
Are the TIGgers actually an official political party yet? That you could actually vote for?
At any upcoming elections, EU or otherwise, we presently have a choice of:
Tories: Chaotic, incompetent Brexiteers who want to return to the 1800’s, destroying the economy in the process
Labour: Disengaged, incompetent Red-Unicorn Brexiteers who want to return to the 1970’s, destroying the economy in the process
UKIP: Bunch of Islamaphobic Nazi’s
Farageworld: Isn’t Nigel Great? Lets tow Blighty out towards the mid-Atlantic
Lib Dems: Who?Given that Brexit is the only game in town right now, I reckon that makes 50% of the electorate who’s votes are presently going begging
Im glad we have the SNP option in Scotland.. Even though you seem to have forgotten that there is life outside of London and the English parties.
I've said it many times: I wish to god we had the equivalent of the SNP south of the Border. I'd vote for them in a heartbeat. I now plenty of people, utterly despairing at the present hopeless, unelectable state of the labour party, who share that opinion
Lib Dems?
Agreeing with Binners again. This thread is annoying.
Do the LibDems pick their leader before the European Elections? Could be a bounce for them… or be the end of the party's support.
The Change UK lot need some of the Tory & Labour MEPs that have been treated poorly by their parties to formally join them, if they want to get the ball rolling… and ideally some of the other really good (yes there are) MEPs of both parties that have spoken out about the effects of Brexit.
Yep the complete abandonment of the Lib Dems is one of the reasons we are here at the moment, a 2nd bloc of full on remain MP's in parliament would have helped over the last 3 years. Again if you can't vote for Labour why not vote lib dem?
I can see some of the Change/TIG doing OK on name recognition but as a group they need to get some kind of broader position down on record or at least declare they are simply pro EU and will vote as they see on issues but adopting a centrist agenda
Labour: Disengaged, incompetent Red-Unicorn Brexiteers who want to return to the 1970’s, destroying the economy in the process
You've been reading the sun again haven't you? 🙂
"if you can’t vote for Labour why not vote lib dem?"
because in our constituency we would end up with a Tory MP.
Liam Fox bleating this morning, seems being in a Union with the EU, without having a say on it's direction is a bad thing, who'd have thunk it. "If you're not at the table, you're on the Menu" apparently.
It's *almost* starting to feel like the Brexiteers really wanted something far more radical than their referendum, knowing it wouldn't fly with voters and now realise they might be blamed for the fall out.
So - if May is legally forced to negotiate an extension, then the EU place conditions on it - they can make us do whatever they want nearly?
Yip. 'Taking Back Control' now involves us doing whatever the EU demand or our economy implodes in a couple of days. They could literally insist that Theresa May runs around Strasbourg dressed as a clown and she'd have to do it. They know it, and she knows it
It's gone well, hasn't it?
“if you can’t vote for Labour why not vote lib dem?”
because in our constituency we would end up with a Tory MP.
In local and EU Elections? those are the next 2 on the list to be sorted.
“if you can’t vote for Labour why not vote lib dem?”
because in our constituency we would end up with a Tory MP.
This time. You've got to consider the longer term picture, or you will never see any change. Getting the LDs into second place would be a start. That might encourage more folk to switch next time. Or perhaps you think they should just suspend voting in your constituency for ever?
Finally something to put on a bus
https://twitter.com/TechnicallyRon/status/1115334395324456962
So 2.5 million Golden Retrievers a week for the NHS?
My wife's taken some students to Berlin for the week. They got to the Reichstag to find this parked outside.
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Mays attempts to shift the blame for this shitshow onto Labour are so transparent, its ridiculous. Its actually laughable to think that it was ever going to wash. But unfortunately there's obviously a sizeable chunk of the population who are so thick, blinkered and wilfully ignorant I'm sure they'll happily swallow it, once the press hammer the point home with enough force
Anyone seen the running commentary from inside the asylum?
https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1115571908165152769
Unelected millionaire heiress with Germanic family ties millionaire blocks Brexit.
What? Laura Kuenessberg?
Of course the brexiteer ultras are calling for a no deal - it's become talismanic to them, the shady Crosby-Johnson group has spent £1m on targeted advertising on social media selling No Deal as though it was spelled out in Project Brexit from day one.
Rory Stewart explains the nature of the problem quite succinctly here: http://www.rorystewart.co.uk/no-deal/
Anyone seen the running commentary from inside the asylum
For those who havent you are missing the joy of "I was in the army" Francois attempting a poetry reading. In fairness I have to say his talents as a reciter do outweigh his talents as an MP.
Mark Francois/Penfold is reaching for new epic levels of bell-endery. He's been banging on about being in the TA again. I'm pretty sure he never went any closer to a front line than the odd weekend on Datmoor, but in his head it looks like...
Of all the cockwombles in the ERG he really is the wobbliest cock
Even the Queen is now being called a traitor by some in the Daily Mail comments section (I saw it on twitter, I don't visit the hateful wesbite myself!)
Amazing how many people (about 17.4 million) are very fond of what they think is democracy but when it comes down to what it actually is, alongside those minor inconveniences like parliamentary process and, oh yeah, sovereignty, they don't seem to like it at all.
Vote Lib Dem??
Well if you do let's not hear you complain about austerity,food banks,Universal Credit and the lack of PR.We are where we are on these matters precisely because of the Lib Dems not forgetting the fact that they wanted a referendum on EU membership over a decade ago.....And that magic great grandad Cable was as complicit as that t88t Clegg.Some people have got very short memories.
.And that magic great grandad Cable was as complicit as that t88t Clegg.Some people have got very short memories.
As a list it still makes them very much better than the rest.
Of all the cockwombles in the ERG he really is the wobbliest cock
Wombliest surely?
Let's not forget that the country's finances were in a wee bit of a pickle back in 2010 so some cutting back needed to be done at that point.
In fact even Labour (Ed Milliband) at the time stood on a manifesto of austerity being required.
So short memories indeed....
I'm not taking anything away from the level of crud this Tory government has inflicted upon us all - and the Libdems were damned by association, but let's not be so daft as to think that if we hadn't had the coalition gov then there would have been no austerity as we'd have had some of that in any instance.
If we aren't going to vote for any party that has in the past made mistakes, then there is not a single party to vote for other than a brand new one.
The point is, if you don't want Brexit then vote for a party that might stop it... if you are not bothered enough about Brexit and the damage it will do to hold your nose and vote for Libdems, TIG or Green etc. then carry on as you were.
Vote for now not the past.
All TIG will do is split the anti tory vote thus leading to more tory representation. Read some history
Your only realistic anti tory choice is lib dem in a very few constituencies manly in the south west. Labour in the rest of england and SNP in Scotland. anything else is a vote for the tories by proxy.
TIG are tories anyway. Just pale blue ones
Well if you do let’s not hear you complain about austerity,food banks,Universal Credit and the lack of <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">PR.We</span> are where we are on these matters precisely because of the Lib Dems not forgetting the fact that they wanted a referendum on EU membership over a decade ago…..And that magic great grandad Cable was as complicit as that t88t <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">Clegg.Some</span> people have got very short memories.
In my opinion we are where we are because lots of people overlook the Lib Dems moderating the excesses of the Tory party for 5 years, decided to punish them for not implementing every aspect of the Lib Dem manifesto (despite being in coalition so both parties had to renege on some commitments), thereby allowing the Tory party to make up for lost time at the next election.
PR - Cameron only offered the choice of the shittiest form of PR and then spent the entire run up to the referendum telling people that it would deliver a BNP led government.
I could go on.
Blaming the Lib Dems for being moderating minor partners in a coalition and punishing them for the Tories being Tories is a bit....shortsighted? self-defeating?
Maybe Lib Dem voters demand 100% delivery of their ideals so are angry when it doesn't happen (probably need to grow up and be a bit more pragmatic). Tories will always vote Tory regardless because they are selfish, thoughtless ****s so the Tories were less affected by the coalition years.
Let’s not forget that the country’s finances were in a wee bit of a pickle back in 2010 so some cutting back needed to be done at that point.
In fact even Labour (Ed Milliband) at the time stood on a manifesto of austerity being required.
So short memories indeed….
Yeah and the financial pickle was all Labour's fault......or so they said at the time.The whole austerity agenda as the supposed solution to the country's financial ills was debunked but seems some folk are still believeing the hype.And Ed Milliband wouldn't have been there if Clegg had got into bed with Brown rather than Cameron.....
Well if you do let’s not hear you complain about austerity,food banks,Universal Credit and the lack of PR.We are where we are on these matters precisely because of the Lib Dems
This is absolutely incorrect. Austerity was not a Lib Dem policy. It was a Tory policy, the LDs simply couldn't stop the Tories implementing it. But the Tories came up with it and did it, so we have it BECAUSE of the Tories.
If you're suggesting that simply re-running the election would have delivered a Labour majority or LD/Lab coalition, well, you're a dreamer.