Not just me. A long extension in exchange for a material change in what the UK is seeking has been a long stated position of the EU. tusk simply didn't mention this. Again its a longstanding point of view from the EU that an extension will not be granted just to kick the can down the road ie a short extension for technical reasons( bills to be passed etc) if the WA is passed is fine or a long extension if there is a new starting point but if its just for a couple of more months of bickering forget it
Andrew Neil (@afneil)
EU says no short extension unless Commons votes for May Deal. So if Commons rejects for a 3rd time:
No short extension
No leaving on no deal
No May Deal
Leaves long extension.
Which Mrs May implies could provoke her resignation.
I can’t be arsed doing the whole yes they did/no they didn’t argument about the labour party’s role in brexit again. But to move it on a bit, the thing to recognise about brexit is that it’s a symptom not the disease. A symptom of decades of the white working class being marginalised by neoliberalism, and more recently a symptom of austerity in the wake of the banking crisis. The labour party are the only party who recognise that you can’t solve brexit without solving the underlying causes. The wounds of brexit will never be healed until austerity is reversed and the people who voted for it begin to see some benefit from living in this supposed great nation of ours, and the only party who will do this are labour
Nailed.
The leaders were likely to agree to an extension up to 23 May or 30 June if May was able to find a majority in the Commons at the third time of asking, Tusk said.
However, Brussels expects the British government to request a lengthy extension, and hold European elections, if the deal fails again, to allow time for cross-party talks on a soft Brexit or a general election or second referendum.
from the gruaniad
May can only force a vote on her deal for a third time if it is substantially different from the deal (the term is misleading - "deal" simply means "framework to commence negotiations for a longer term trade proposal with an interim arrangement in place) that she has already tabled, twice.
Given that the EU cannot and will not amend their side of the agreement (May agreed to it last year, without consulting parliament first) then she has to address her own red lines in order to present a substantially different proposition to the HoC.
May has made Brexit all about her own red lines, she's been prepared to throw manufacturing and farming under a bus to get there. Given the inordinate clout from the headbangers of the ERG, she's caved to them in an effort to put party before country (yet again).
The only option left is for parliament to wrest control of Brexit from the executive.
adding a second referendum to the WA would be enough - and quite possibly adding simply the extension might well be - and there are other ways around the speakers decision
I’ve just received an email from my insurance company saying that if I want to drive in Europe after next Friday then I’ll need a green card
Looks like their assessment of where we’re headed is the same as mine. We’re crashing out with no deal next week
What a total ****ing shambles!!
I’ve just received an email from my insurance company saying that if I want to drive in Europe after next Friday then I’ll need a green card
Looks like their assessment of where we’re headed is the same as mine. We’re crashing out with no deal next week
What a total ****ing shambles!!
What's the precise wording?
Are the insurance company fishing to make a quick buck (likely).
Or do the insurance company know more than the governments of the whole of the EU28?
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May is making a statement at 8:15pm apparently. My money is on her saying soz everyone, it's a shambles let's revoke A50 and pretend it's not happened... everyone will then link hands across the commons and sing Imagine
Are the insurance company fishing to make a quick buck (likely).
If you're planning to drive abroad, you'll already have your appropriate international drivers license and green card… "just in case"… insurance companies need to make it clear how their systems are working to customers.
It’ll be to say that there will be a black and white her deal /no deal at all vote next week.
A last throw of the dice that’ll doom us all.
Jus now... Should be an interesting statement...
Ahead of their meeting with Theresa May, the leaders of the SNP, Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru and the Green Party released a joint statement calling on the prime minister to allow MPs to vote on revoking Article 50 if it is the only way to avoid a no-deal Brexit.
Ian Blackford, Vince Cable MP, Liz Saville Roberts MP and Caroline Lucas MP said:
“We agree that the House of Commons must formulate a plan that will give the EU Council the confidence to agree a longer extension beyond 30 June, so that by the end of next week legislation can be in place to prevent a no-deal exit.
“Parliament should now sit in continuous session until it can reach a decision and set out a clear plan.
“We will be pushing for the House of Commons to support a referendum on remaining in the EU, others will put forward their own positions.
“If the Commons cannot agree, as a last resort we would be prepared to take steps to secure a parliamentary vote on the revocation of Article 50.
“The prime minister must not be allowed to bully MPs into a choice between her bad deal and no deal. That would make Brexit a choice between disaster and catastrophe, and that would be a failure of truly historic proportions.
“The UK - and all of its people and nations - deserve better.”
How very mature of magic grandpa. Really?
Mark Francois has just been interviewed on channel 4 news. He’s creaming his silkies at the increasingly likely prospect of no deal
The man, in line with most vocal brexiteers, is an absolute moron. A total ****ing idiot!
This impending disaster they’ll just walk away from. I’m ashamed to live in a country where people are so profoundly stupid that they were taken in by lying charlatans like that clown
she has to address her own red lines in order to present a substantially different proposition to the HoC.
Agreeing to another referendum would be sufficiently different, as I understand it. And almost certainly now what will happen.
My money is on her saying soz everyone, it’s a shambles let’s revoke A50 and pretend it’s not happened…
As much as I'd love this to be true, it seems unlikely.
Mark Francois
... is a **** of the highest order. Plus, his name sounds a bit foreign.
How very mature of magic grandpa.
Some ERG type, who wants now to vote for the WA, was on 5Live trying to put distance between himself and the no deal fundamentalists like Francois and Redwood
But I am slipping into despondency that we will no deal. Grieve said this is now increasingly likely and that it would be nothing more or less that the Government or May deserved. I need to stop quoting Tories or I'll lose my leftist badge
How totally typical of Corbyn. Can we have his usual myopic cheerleaders justify that then. Not remotely People’s Front of Judea at all that, was it?
The man is a ****ing joke! Except that where we are now, there’s not much to laugh about, is there?
Pathetic!
How very mature of magic grandpa. Really
Huge hypocrisy.
Tingers were formed based on several MPs walking away and throwing their teddies out.
Did anyone call it then?
Won’t sit down with the TIGgers, but the IRA. Or Hamas...?
Maybe they should bomb a pub to get him on board?
Not hypocrisy, corbyn is proving to be just as autocratic as may as time goes on.
The only way progress can be made is with cross party consensus, and that includes independents.
There's no other way to get a majority in the commons on this.
How's that for sovereignty lol!
And the DUP have been awfully quiet the last few days...
There is nothing that will create consensus across the Commons as it stands
This why I think that a mash up of WA + 2nd ref is probably the only thing that would save us from no deal or straight May WA
And the DUP have been awfully quiet the last few days…
Counting the surprise extra crop of cash that the Magic Money Tree just gave them.
Without the ERG her deal can't pass so surely that means a short extension is pointless. Only option is long extension, her resignation and a general election.
DUP can be bought, just a question of how much, ERG just seem to have doubled down this, Johnson, baker, Francois, jenkyns, Paterson have all said they still won't back May's deal.
She's got to rely on labour or MV3 dies on Monday...
...May is late - maybe she still doesn't know where to go...
Do you think she will offer to resign as soon as Brexit is delivered if Commons vote for the WA?
May tried to bounce Corbyn into a meeting he had not agreed to. Party leaders was the agreement. deputy from the lib dems and Umma the tory leader of no party was there. Nothing would or could come from that meeting anyway but once again corbytn allows others to control the narrative and once again loads fall for it.,
She's late...
Peter Grant MP (@PeterGrantMP)
Corbyn was within his rights here but all he’s done is created the suspicion that he was always looking for an excuse to walk out.
SNP mp and they have no love for labour
As I was getting tired of Lamo on 6 in the afternoons I've been going to Today, they are now just about managing to mention that not leaving is a possible outcome, it's as if the BBC don't want to be called out as upstart remainers,
I do hope she pledges to go if nobody votes for her deal though the leader of the opposition is busy outdoing himself if this is correct
https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1108459147530518528
I did get some stuff through the door from Peoples Vote and a nice chap called Mr Cable asking for some help with his new party....
I'm being too hard on corbyn, I do understand his position, I'd just like to see a more decisive stance from the leader of the opposition. But these are unique circumstances.
Is she putting May's Deal/No Deal/No Brexit to the house? ****ing put it to us, you lunatic!
Sounds like it's more sound bytes so far..
That was ****ing bizarre.
She has set herself up as the sole defender of the people's will - attacking MPs and Parliamentary process.
How to win friends.
****
I must be a little behind the BBC text makes it look like she was getting ready to go
pondo
Member
Is she putting May’s Deal/No Deal/No Brexit to the house?
Sounds like it. Which is fair do's, surely parliament has to cancel it now, casue there's no majority for no deal/mays deal. Is there a majority to remain?
No deal on the 30th June then
Well that was pish, nothing new there. When she appeared emotional I thought she was about to resign.
Quite clear she’d happily go for no deal.
No deal looks almost inevitable.
That iceberg better get out of the way of SS Brexitannia was what I heard.
I don't think she is going to offer no brexit.
Theresa May says she does not believe the public want another referendum on the issue, and that she does not want one either.
"You want us to get on with it - and that is what I am determined to do," she concludes.
FFS really Mystic ****ing Meg has moved into number 10, at no point has she actually asked the public or even met one of them long enough to get an idea
`Sounded like the only thing she will be bring to Parly is her deal.
As I said the important bit is that she is putting herself aside from and above Parliament. This sort of posturing is so damaging given his divided the country is
