Dear EU… we don't want the all UK Customs Union backstop THAT WE INSISTED ON, we want something else.
EU… okay, how about going back to the original NI Customs Union backstop that we suggested from the beginning.
Loop 'till UK MPs understand the choice they have to make.
Ferkin Johnson now on saying he supports something he’s spent a year trying to rip up.
WHAT an expletive deleted.
We are now royally **** arent we?
Yes.
There was a piece earlier by Blair saying how we should accept the politicians are specialists in the area and hence trust them more. Whilst I would like to believe him sadly the evidence doesnt really make them look better than the average person.
Simply doing a job doesnt imply competence at it.
I was watching the debate on and off.
Some yes are definitely far better than me and more are better than me although not really as much as I would like.
However sadly:
Some are morons. The disadvantage of their job selection being based around a popularity contest rather than skills demo and that popularity contest, in many cases, being to appeal to a few party members to get to a safe seat (unless they are really, really shit).
Some arent morons but only out for themselves and willing to screw the country for that job.
Some aren't morons but are ideological nutters whose beliefs beat reality so for all intents and purposes for certain subjects are morons.
We are now royally * arent we?
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We are now royally * arent we?
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/End of thread for me.
Don't worry this was all to be expected it was just on someone's desk.
It's done. The DUP have played the rest of the UK brilliantly.
You lot are in trouble.
Economic activity will shift, the UK will decline.
It'll be the equivalent of the street urchin with its nose pressed against the toy shop window.
It’s done. The DUP have played the rest of the UK brilliantly.
The one thing that cheers me up about it is whilst they have screwed the UK they have also screwed themselves. It will boost the prospects of NI joining Ireland.
Although I then get depressed since I suspect the ****ers will move to Britain when it happens.
Please don’t credit the DUP with anything. The Tories have ****ed this up all by themselves.
They can't do anything on their own when they don't have a majority of MPs.
They hold the balance of power. They are a single issue party, and unfortunately that issue is the Ireland question.
So yes, they can do anything.
It'll go right down to the wire of a binary crash out or remain.
There was never really any other option. Ok the vassal state I could cope with but I can't see our impotent parliament agreeing with that.
The heat has obviously not been turned up enough yet.
mattyfez
Member
It’ll go right down to the wire of a binary crash out or remain.
nah well get some minor concessions & go with Mays deal, itll be hailed as a victoy & everyone will hate it
To be fair I could cope with that, I'd trust 27 to make sensible rules rather than our shower of sorry excuses for MPs.
Hash tag taking back control, lol!
Will piss off the brexiters more than it will me. And I'll still be able to feed myself, which is a massive bonus.
Watching Newsnight the only person talking any sense, as usual, is Anne Soubry, pointing out, as if we needed it pointing out, the absolutely pitiful lack of leadership in both parties
They’re clearly both going to just fanny around until we crash out! Both paralysed by their absolute cowardice and their utter incompetence
nah well get some minor concessions & go with Mays deal, itll be hailed as a victoy & everyone will hate it
Dunno. Remember the extreme brexiteers really want a hard brexit so they can make the best profits or, for the idiots, find their dreams dont match reality but fool themselves into thinking it does anyway.
I see Boris is still playing the "they need us more than we need them card" as why the EU will renegotiate.
FFS!
is Emily maitlis a Nigel Mansell fan?
Chatting to some Brit OAP's over here in Spain and they are horrified to hear that despite being promised that "their free Spanish healthcare will not be effected whatever happens" they may now lose it in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
I pointed out to them that lots of Brit OAP's voted for Brexit, but that didn't seem to help.
Most of them use frequently and rely on the free healthcare they get here and a lot of them won't be able to afford private healthcare.
^^ Seeing that interview with Boris cheered me up a bit.😆
Boris's response "It takes 2 to tango". Well, uh, yes.
"dissonance
We all know he will fold now that May can show she has full support"
Remember when she thought having an election would give her a strong hand and they said "You do realise that everyone in the room is either a democratically elected head of state or a waiter?"
It’ll go right down to the wire of a binary crash out or remain.
No it won't. It'll be an extension of A50 and yet more delay tactics. It's all they've done for two and a half years, no reason to change a winning formula now.
Its a gambit to delay Brexit until after the European elections in May when its widely expected that the EU will get a kicknin from the European euro sceptics especially in france from the gilet jeunes imho
Chatting to some Brit OAP’s over here in Spain and they are horrified to hear that despite being promised that “their free Spanish healthcare will not be effected whatever happens” they may now lose it in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
What I’m hearing from my outlaws is that if you’ve got your Residente Permanente Your fine.
I’m with cougar with the delaying tactics thou , they’re desperately hoping something will come up and get them out the mess, just more plate spinning
ffs they agreed the backstop more than a year ago then immediately started reneging, no ones going to trust these shysters.
That, wicki, is why it's dangerous to play games with Macron, Merkel or any other non-extreme right leader at present. What could be better for them than a hard Brexit and Britain going to the dogs? Possibly remain, just possibly.
What I’m hearing from my outlaws is that if you’ve got your Residente Permanente Your fine.
Correct.
BTW, take look at Johnson in that interview and compare what you see to a vid or photo from a couple of months ago... 😱
Kwasi Kwarteng on BBC breakfast just now..... the EU will compromise to get a deal otherwise they won't get a penny piece from us. Still negotiating with threats.
"A deal will require compromise on both sides"
I'm shouting at the TV for the interviewers to ask what areas we might be able to compromise on... but nothing. All I see is that she's going back with the same demands and asking for a different answer.
European euro sceptics especially in france from the gilet jeunes imho
Be interesting to see what with happen with the gillet jaunes, they have a very antipolitical stance, several 'leaders' have been slapped down for being too elitist.
The will also be hoovering up a lot of protest votes that would've gone for whatever party LePen is rebadging the FN as.
So with all the extra parliamentary time that's now going to be taken up by May coming back empty handed, another rejection of Plan A, another No Confidence motion from JC, more votes on "what are we going to do now" etc what the hell happens to the Brexit legislative programme that was already looking impossible to deliver without all the extra faff. If we need more time to even have a legal basis to operate on with no deal why the ********* aren't they asking for it NOW?
theotherjonv
..."the EU will compromise to get a deal otherwise they won’t get a penny piece from us."
That would be a dumb move on the part of the UK.
Renege on existing fiscal responsibilities with the EU, and then go looking for new trade deals. I'm sure that would engender a lot of trust in prospective trading partners...
It is even dumber to threaten it.
What most people don't realize is that this is just the beginning. The deal is only a starting point. The difficult part starts after that.
Boris;
“It takes 2 to tango”.
and we have all seen how well May dances.
The eu appears to be quite accomplished dancer, while the uk has 2 left feet and thinks it is a shin kicking contest.
If you want to hear another example of a brexiter flapping then Barclay on R4 today was really good. He was repeatedly asked what the 'alternative arrangements' were. Obviously no-one in the world knows so his evasion and discomfort was delightful
So, about 50 (or more) pages ago my predication was that TM’s deal would squeak through, primarily because Parliament is too afraid of No Deal.
What a ride it’s been since that first vote, but nothing has changed!
The votes last night indicate that Parliament is more willing to a support ‘a deal’ than any alternative. As TM’s deal is the only one in town, it seems to me that Parliament will fall in to line at the 11th hour, simply to avoid no deal.
I now think TM has known this all along. She has ridden every storm in the single minded belief that if it gets down to the wire, Parliament will have to support ‘her’ deal. So, she’s run down the clock at every opportunity to increase the pressure on Parliament.
DUP will never accept Mays deal nor will the hard-line outies so she is relying on labour votes to get it thru. I very much doubt she will get enough of them even if no deal is the alternative.
The level of idiocy is quite astonishing.
It seems to me that Labours only tangeable policy on Brexit is ‘avoid no deal’.
I’d love to know how anything other than TM’s deal can avoid that.
Oh, and be realistic. Remainers acuse Leavers or wanting Unicorns. Tell me how wishing for another Referendum or revocation of A50 is anything different at this stage in the process?
Please try to remember what No Deal actually means.
The votes last night indicate that Parliament is more willing to a support ‘a deal’ than any alternative.
No it doesnt.
The ERG made it clear that they will withdraw their support if she doesnt produce some unicorns and many of them want a no deal.
Yesterdays vote wasnt a triumph for May it was her bending to the brexiteers will and, sadly, a bunch of other tories refusing to stand up and point out it was bollocks.
@tallpaul Agreed. She is relying on there being enough opposition votes who see it as their patriotic duty to avoid No Deal that they will eat the bowl of shit she has placed on the table and overcome the votes of ERG and other nutters. In this way she will save her own career and also the unity of the Tory party, which are, if course, the most important things.
Oh, and be realistic. Remainers acuse Leavers or wanting Unicorns. Tell me how wishing for another Referendum or revocation of A50 is anything different at this stage in the process?
Because remaining is realistic and achievable. More than that it's actually quite easy to do. Just takes some balls Fromm parliament (maybe that bit is a bit fanciful)
