civil service
entitlement
Yep, sounds about right 😉
I’m never off sick so assume anyone who is is just taking the mickey.
I've had about 3 weeks in total over 30 years maybe - one of which was Covid in January.
However, I've sat next to people with young children at nursery and they seem to have colds/ flue for months at a time all year round....
Then you have colleagues with a whole host of medical problems (smoking, obesity, type 2 diabetes, etc) trapped in a spiral of crap lifestyle causes illness, illness reduces activity, reduced activity makes lifestyle even worse etc.
There is a system called the Bradford Score that lets you identify frequent short term absenteeism.
This man has it
..just let it slide.
Sorry, don't agree. Caring about your employees is what more managers should do and talking to them when they return from sickness is good. Trying to understand if there is an underlying problem or if work is in some way aggravating an issue is important. Just letting it slide because you think life is short is wrong.
On the original op I would look at 60 people like just over a year. 2 people off a week would be 2 days off in a bit over a year. I wouldn't be worried about that.
Then you have colleagues who try to keep fit but crash their bikes !
Own fault has been no days off, but a driver did put me off work 7 months. Fortunately, I had it built into my case that my employer got the sick pay back. That should have reset my sickness.
I suffered for a few years after that with severe back pain which lead to some days off. Touch wood, been fine last 3-4 years.
I also had a a simple op some 10 years ago which went wrong and needed additional surgery, but left me in pain for some time.
I was under the enhanced sickness reporting due to the time I'd had off with both incidents, but it was genuine, which is what your policy should allow for - it's not great having to be interviewed or your boss and HR person coming to your home, then finding you still in PJ's lying on the sofa (badly broken spine).
A good policy/line manager will find out if the sickness is genuine and help identify any on-going issues. It's also there to get the Monday morning lot.
Identifying patterns is more important with frequent illness. Is it genuine or is it being abused?
Treating everybody the same isn't quite fair so things like the bradford score aren't ideal.
Like if someone is generally ill or has a chronic condition then see what you can do to support.
One person would frequently be ill, or their child was ill every time there was a deadline. It's not been fair on the rest of the team who have to pick up the pieces but that was a training, time management issue that needed to be dealt with, rather than disciplining.
Work for a large uk holiday company and their sick policy is simple ... no work no pay ... simples ! ... had covid earlier in the year, off for a week, got zip all
Enjoy it if its needed but don't take the piss 🙂
For all those working for companies that don't pay for sick days, do you think this is a good thing?
I think in most of my jobs, if I'd not been paid for sick days I'd have been off more due to less guilt. Wake up in the morning, do the maths in your head, figure how much it'll cost for a day off... Bargain!
Unfortunately if employer's not paying sick, you'll go in with flu or covid. Seeing covid infections going up in work again and we're told WFH if not well, or if properly poorly, don't work.
Work for a large uk holiday company and their sick policy is simple … no work no pay … simples ! … had covid earlier in the year, off for a week, got zip all
Enjoy it if its needed but don’t take the piss 🙂
Strange Attitude tbh
Unfortunately if employer’s not paying sick, you’ll go in with flu or covid. Seeing covid infections going up in work again and we’re told WFH if not well, or if properly poorly, don’t work.
An ex manager of mine used to shout at contractors if they came in sick (no work, no pay) and pay them to go home.
The loss of man hours with FT staff going off sick more than made up for paying the contractors for going home.
Work for a large uk holiday company and their sick policy is simple … no work no pay … simples ! … had covid earlier in the year, off for a week, got zip all
Enjoy it if its needed but don’t take the piss 🙂
Think i know who is taking the piss in this scenario. And they're taking it a long way...
Three things:
1) To the OP - why should you care, in a big organisation it's HR's business to manage absence according to policy.
2) To those saying "three strikes and you're out" - there is a responsibility on the organisation to review once threshold triggers are hit, it may well be the case that they "can" issue a warning but this should not be the default approach. Rather, X instances of absence in Y timeframe should start a dialogue as to why. Does the employee have underlying health issues; do they require more support in the workplace; are they in fact actually taking the piss; and so forth. This is as much arse-covering as anything, you sack someone for absenteeism and they come back with "I was off with work-related stress and they sacked me" then you're in a world of shit.
3) To the "I've had one day off in 200 years" posters - big whoop, you might not have, but in dragging your diseased carcass into work out of some misplaced sense of pride or loyalty and then sitting their impotently like death warmed up until 5:29 you've probably caused weeks of lost time in the rest of the workforce you've infected. If you're sick, stay the hell home.
Think i know who is taking the piss in this scenario. And they’re taking it a long way…
Company I work for theoretically only pay SSP, but with a "flexible approach" so I've always been paid in full despite having some time off for illness, injury, family bereavement etc just means that none of the workforce is tempted to take the piss.
Then you’ve got the mickey takers.
Local council & a bloke at work who’s employed is never there. He knows exactly how to work the system & seemingly HR are either powerless or useless in sorting him out.
Apparently he has Crones disease or irritable bowel or something & that’s his excuse.
Doesn’t stop him getting plastered down the pub every night though, even when he’s off.
