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it is just generating income in an easy way
I was waiting for someone to say that. What is wrong with generating an income in an easy way? Running a police force costs money, so an easy way to generate money has to be a good thing. Let's not forget that laws were broken (and yes I have been caught in the past too). I say increase the fine and generate more money for the Police forces.
So if a car brakes in front of you, first you've got to notice it, so if your checking your mirrors, speed, etc this adds to the cumalative time before even spotting something, then you've got to determine what the risk is, how fast is it decelerating, whether that deceleration rate is an issue to you. If you then decide it is, then there's time to decide what to do, can I slow down, can I steer around, if I steer round are there vehciles coming the other way, do I have space? do I have time?
But it takes much longer to read that than the fraction of a second it takes for a human mind to calculate it all and make appropriate decisions/take appropriate action.
He was there to catch people cos it's an easy place to safely do 40 at 9pm.
You might be right and 40 in a 30 is not always risky. But if you choose to speed then that is the chance you take.
There is a stretch of rural road near me which was a national speed limit - 60mph until being reduced to a 30mph for long term building work. All the work is finished it is still a 30mph limit though. (The building was a water treatment works with no on site staff so the work hasn't changed the character of the road)
Speed limits are not always based on safety and risk.
I was waiting for someone to say that. What is wrong with generating an income in an easy way? Running a police force costs money, so an easy way to generate money has to be a good thing. Let's not forget that laws were broken (and yes I have been caught in the past too). I say increase the fine and generate more money for the Police forces.
Because police forces aren't there to make money, they are there to protect and serve the community they work in? Just a thought.
"At fault"? some of you still won't get it.. Thanks for proving me right, BB.I actually blame my dad for being in hospital the selfish old bugger.
Based on your bleating how it's everyone elses fault, I'd quite happily see your car crushed and your license revoked.
Speed cameras don't flash unless they are triggered.
I'll leave that thought there for people who think they are things of evil.
Peace.
but if a child ran out in front of my car, I wouldn't be checking my rearview mirror before I broke,
But you may have been checking your rearview mirror when the child ran out, hence your reaction time may be impeded
He was there to catch people cos it's an easy place to safely do 40 at 9pm.
But the limit is 30mph. Ah, bollocks, some of you still won't get it. 😛
But it takes much longer to read that than the fraction of a second it takes for a human mind to calculate it all and make appropriate decisions/take appropriate action.
Yes it does take longer to read that.
And longer to read this 🙂
[url] http://copradar.com/redlight/factors/IEA2000_ABS51.pdf [/url]
Not the link I was looking for, but this one shows a 2.2s delay from lifting off the throttle to max brake, when a car pulls out at a junction.
Bah! Double post.
Reactions too quick 😀
A couple of years ago I came across an 'accident' that had happened moments earlier, caused by a speeding car. I stopped to help, as you would.
A young boy lay dying by next to the road, his mates in hysterics, people frantically tring to save him. He died.
That makes you think about speeding.
As has been pointed out, the whys and wherefores of the speed limit and time of day or night are immaterial. Rules is rules, it's that simple.
I've found that if you stop questioning it and just drive the limit then all hassles about speeding and fines simply vanish. Just get into the habit, and there will be no problem. Unquestioning obedience is not something I generally subscribe to but in this case it makes sense.
Oh yea I could've done a effin driver awareness course! Ha! Would that make me aware of the dangers of doing 40 on an empty road at night?
I dunno. Why not attend the course and find out 🙂
A couple of years ago I came across an 'accident' that had happened moments earlier, caused by a speeding car. I stopped to help, as you would.A young boy lay dying by next to the road, his mates in hysterics, people frantically tring to save him. He died.
That makes you think about speeding.
I think this is a goodtime to post this again:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=629763&nmt=Prison%20Diary
Yes it does take longer to read that.
And longer to read this
I know - I was just trying to be a bit light-hearted about it all. At the end of the day there is always distractions and other tasks to do when driving (such as fiddling with the radio or heater control) as well as the automatic tasks like looking in the mirrors or even switching wipers on and off etc so there is rarely a time when the driver is 100% free from any distractions and is in ideal conditions.
I always remember the time I was driving home from college many years ago - I pulled out of a junction and *every time* I would pull out then start faffing with cassettes (yes it was a long time ago) to get me ready for the drive home.
This one night I decided to concentrate 100% on the driving and made a special effort to pull away slowly and smoothly. The next second I saw something coming towards me (flying through the air) so I did an emergency stop and found a young woman under the bonnet of my car, her head inches from the front wheels.
I still believe that had I been doing anything else that night that meant I wasn't 100% concentrating I would have killed her. It still makes me shiver at the thought of it.
Was she nice? 😀
In mastiles' example of 'after school hours' police speed checks, part of me agrees, but a larger part of me thinks it's a good idea.
If that road becomes known in the collective local drivers' consciousness as somewhere where there are always cameras, they'll always drive down it at the correct speed, regardless of the time of day.
There are a few roads I know of - big, wide roads with excellent visibility - and everyone crawls along at 25 as it's known to be a speed trap site.
Excellent trolling work, but some valid points raised 🙂
Was she nice?
She was very appreciative of my concern when I went to see her in hospital that night even though her dad couldn't make it because he was 'in the middle of an important bowls match'.
😯
I have no recollection of her other than that.
If that road becomes known in the collective local drivers' consciousness as somewhere where there are always cameras, they'll always drive down it at the correct speed, regardless of the time of day.
That is a very good point and because of that risk I rarely go over 25mph in that area. But I guess the point is that the 20mph zone is there to protect school children who aren't at school at night and at weekends.
The local council is actually looking at making the signs (they automatically flash the speed limit up) timed so they can have a variable speed limit to make more sense of the situation.
Still - some people do rag it up there (and some even overtake people doing the speed limit) and those people DO deserve everything they get - unfortunately they are the ones that usually don't get caught.
Isn't this whole thing getting a bit silly now.
If you are in town then just slow the **** down ok.
Get out of town where there is less to hit and floor it by all means! Be respectful of others and don't be a d**k. Them's my rules.
You high horse baiters are lame.
I've done about twice the NSL ... on an unclassified road (4m wide, no chevrons, no paint, nowt) ... and I don't even have a driving licence.
On the oher hand, I've also almost been killed by prats treating my village 30mph limit as a racetrack after dark. Purely through impatience and stupidity. Just becuase there are fewer people about, dosn't mean you won't hit the one person who is about.
Have fun outside built up areas, but respect the 30/40 limit FFS.
But I guess the point is that the 20mph zone is there to protect school children who aren't at school at night and at weekends.
All you need is an evening concert or a coach party or sports fixture getting back late, and hey presto. You can do 20mph for 300 yrds can't you? Moving at 20mph is still better than moving at 0mph phoning an ambulance and bricking it.
All you need is an evening concert or a coach party or sports fixture getting back late, and hey presto. You can do 20mph for 300 yrds can't you? Moving at 20mph is still better than moving at 0mph phoning an ambulance and bricking it.
Agreed there *could* be. Never seen it though. And it is a good 1/2 mile of 20mph I reckon. And to what degree are school children protected? When there are 1500+ kids milling around before and after school then yes it makes all sorts of sense, but for the odd occasion a bus carrying 50 kids gets back late?
As stated above, the local council now see that it is a bit daft and are looking at the cost of fitting signs that allow variable speed limits.
Or maybe a stray dog or Fox. Most people say they wouldn't swerve but how many actually would? As I said before if you aren't concentrating - who is 100% of the time? You wont always react rationally.
Plus when I was younger we were leaving Cubs late and I was knocked over by a speeding Triumph Dolomite who funnily enough didn't stop at the scene.
The driver probably had something else on his mind. I only briefly inconvenienced him.
[i]Based on your bleating how it's everyone elses fault, I'd quite happily see your car crushed and your license revoked.[/i]
Harsh, but fair. 😀
Because police forces aren't there to make money, they are there to protect and serve the community they work in? Just a thought.
Which costs money
Which costs money
Yes it does.
So we agree then 😀
So we agree then
Well we agree that running a police force costs money yes. Definitely. Unarguably.
🙂
I wasn't really talking about your specific instance mastiles (it sounds like the council is responding sensibly to complaints too), but are you really arguing about being forced to do 10mph less than YOU think is sensible, for half a mile? FFS man get a grip. I'm willing to bet there is a slightly longer NSL run round too. If not, dropping 30 seconds is hardly the end of the world, no? (and it is JUST 30 seconds)
Impatience, pure and simple.
Unarguably
Is that the first time I have seen this word on STW?? 😆
but are you really arguing about being forced to do 10mph less than YOU think is sensible, for half a mile? FFS man get a grip
You don't get what I am saying - I am not bothered about it personally and I stick (within reason) around the speed limit. What annoys me is the plod response in only (seemingly, to my knowledge) focusing on catching people when they know there will be more offenders. As said before I use the road daily around school time and have never seen plod there at those times, but I have seen them there at night and at weekends. Quite simply they know they will catch more people who DO ignore the limit and use it to their advantage. Personally I think their time could be better spent elsewhere.
Ah OK, I take your point and conceed. I obviously wasn't paying sufficient attention 😉
Ohh shit - there appears to be an outbreak of agreement! The Interweb may implode!
😆
Even Lewis Hamilton rear ended someone ffs.
Was it Massa again? I bet he was pissed!!
😆
How dare my thread result in agreement and joviality 🙁
there appears to be an outbreak of agreement!
Quick, get the commissioner to turn on the TJ-signal 😆
Of course we're jovial - we havn't been done for speeding 🙂
my bro is getting along fine btw
I actually blame my dad for being in hospital the selfish old bugger.
Your Brother is your Dad?
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Of course we're jovial - we havn't been done for speeding
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Was it Massa again? I bet he was pissed!!
I walked into that one 😆
I meant off track....
Saying this, I hope he doesn't walk into a public urinal when Massa is in there
What annoys me is the plod response in only (seemingly, to my knowledge) focusing on catching people when they know there will be more offenders
I stick (within reason) around the speed limit.
The reason they're there, is because some people can't grasp the very simple concept of a speed limit.
Is it like where there's a [i]limit[/i] to the [i]speed[/i] your car is supposed to be driven at?
The reason they're there, is because some people can't grasp the very simple concept of a speed limit.
But is it?
MF, fundamentally yes it is. if everyone obeyed the speed limit 100% of the time we'd have no need for speed cameras/traps anywhere. It's a bit of a silly tangent to the argument really. I'm not sure how anyone can dispute this, but I'm sure someone will try...
[i]MF, fundamentally yes it is. if everyone obeyed the speed limit 100% of the time we'd have no need for speed cameras/traps anywhere. It's a bit of a silly tangent to the argument really. I'm not sure how anyone can dispute this, but I'm sure someone will try... [/i]
And would probably make no difference whatsoever to casualty figures...