Good, I hope they chuck him in gaol
During his stay,I would imagine that that odious turd of a human will have tried to rob as many bargaining chips as he could find in the Whitehouse. America gave a petulant child the keys to their toyshop and all it's secrets.He will continue to squawk 'fake news' till his dying breath,meanwhile the actions his term put in motion will hurt Americans for a long time.Thank goodness nothing like that could happen here. 😞
Its odd the FBI have waited so long - it was reported back in February that Trump had squirrelled away Whitehouse paperwork, so theres been ample time for him to just move or destroy anything he wants to hide (and hiding it is obviously the reason for taking it from the Whitehouse in the first place).
I dont really expect he's hiding evidence of some grand conspiracy or collected bundles of state secrets to pass to Putin - the reality is probably more that he's embarrassed by his record. Trump would get angry at any Whitehouse staff who wrote notes during meetings - the records of the day to day machinations of the Whitehouse will reveal his ineptitude and the efforts of those around him to coddle and mollify him. Its bad enough for him theres a slew of books detailing all that enywhy - but he's probably mortified at the idea that the source material will all be sitting in a library in perpetuity for posterity.
Its odd the FBI have waited so long
perhaps thats what "they" wanted ? even if theres nothing incriminating the act of destruction would be an offence, though you could always blame it on the help 😉
Of course he's playing the victim 🙄
I suspect this guy is dead right.
https://twitter.com/vermontgmg/status/1556788139636801537
https://twitter.com/vermontgmg/status/1556788352975880192
I like the idea that he's got upset that the FBI "even" opened his safe. I mean, do folks like him really think the FBI are going to take one look at the place where you put the most valuable things in his office and go "Nah, you're all right, we won't bother with that"
I really really hope this turns up something, a because it would be generally good news and b because if it doesn't it'll somehow get twisted into the deep state bobbins and be power to his elbow for another run in 2024......
....I had to reread what I just typed....that I even think an FBI raid could be a positive for someone's election hopes. That's how far we've fallen.
Let's hope he's got all the classified docs he nicked from the White House flushed away, because if they find anything he shouldn't have, he's disqualified from public office.
TBH, him revving up a presidential run for 2024 is potentially excellent news for the Democrats, and I'd rather the DoJ didn't torpedo it now. His base is not as big as some people think, and his campaign is likely to be mired in scandal/possible indictments immediately. I'm more worried about DeSantis getting a clean run at it.
TBH, him revving up a presidential run for 2024 is potentially excellent news for the Democrats,
I made that mistake the first time, so did a lot of other people. I assumed that the Republican party had a lot of serious voters who cared about policy and would not vote for Trump given how transparently dishonest he was.
Trump being disqualified from running again would be much better than having him run.
Polling has shown that support for Trump among Republican voters is ebbing away. The striking down of Roe vs Wade also appears to be galvanising the electorate. I agree that him being ruled out of the presidency would be a nice, warm, feeling, but there are some truly awful creatures - perhaps worse than him - waiting in the wings to be the new, acceptable face of the GOP.
I'd rather that the rotting presence of Trump screws up the primary for the next generation of ultra-MAGA candidates.
The main problem for the Democrats is what state Biden will be in by 2024.
I suspect this guy is dead right
I like the sound of all of this
Polling has shown that support for Trump among Republican voters is ebbing away.
Keep in mind that, although this is a parody Twitter account, the MAGA people believe much crazier stuff and having Trump on the ballot will almost certainly lead to violence if he loses. Plus, it's not guaranteed he would lose.
https://twitter.com/3YearLetterman/status/1556725627029430273
So, this points to not all the classified stuff being returned.
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1556844171389976576
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1556844171389976576
The main problem for the Democrats is what state Biden will be in by 2024.
This is the crux. Biden can't go again. He is/was the calming voice needed to end the Trump madness but the next candidate needs to be a proactive woman/man for the future. A very careful balancing act needs to be played out where they are not tarred with any Biden fallout, yet need to be proactive,visible and credible and look like a president in waiting with the relevant level of experience. Also, like the parallels of what is going on here right now - not too many chunks need to be taken out of them in the inhouse battle.
Harris has been a lot quieter and less impactful than I was hoping she was going to be.
the MAGA people believe much crazier stuff
The crazier the platform that a 'mainstream' Republican presidential candidate feels they need to endorse to satisfy their base, the better it is for their opponents. There is broad residual support for a general anti-Democrat, anti-'Librul', pro Christianity ticket, but a much smaller, albeit very noisy group at the Q conspiracist end of the spectrum.
The upcoming mid-terms are, if anything, more important for the Democrats. They need to up their game and get their vote out.
This is the crux. Biden can’t go again.
I was hoping he'd make himself a clear one-termer, and start succession-planning earlier. But then again, then he's just a lame duck for the next couple of years, and there is a lot of work to be done.
Harris has been a lot quieter and less impactful than I was hoping she was going to be.
VP has always been a ceremonial role really. It's pretty bad, but I have thought it would be ideal if Biden, y'know, shuffled off...
Harris has been a lot quieter and less impactful than I was hoping she was going to be.
I think a lot of the left-wing of the Democratic Party don't understand why Biden appealed to voters. The centrist voters are not interested in a lot of the issues that drive the left - they don't want police to kill people, but they don't want to defund police, they don't care about student loans, they don't want "socialism" (even though nobody in America seems to actually know what the word means). Biden has a long career of being a centrist who could figure out what people in the center wanted, plus black voters trusted him much more than Sanders.
Harris just does not seem to know how to appeal to those voters. However, when it comes time to vote, there is a good chance that it will be a serious Democratic candidate and a clown Republican so those voters might just go for the non-clown candidate again.
News just in, the FBI have unfortunately destroyed the Trump Library at Mar-a-Largo
Both books are apparently beyond repair, and there are reports that he'd not yet finished colouring one in.
The other fun aspect of this is whether Trump announces his candidacy in the immediate future as a desperate attempt to deflect incoming indictments by claiming the DoJ/FBI is only after him because he is standing. That would place the GOP in a very difficult position - do you back Trump even though he could actually be potentially disqualified from office either before or shortly after the election?
I think a lot of the left-wing of the Democratic Party don’t understand why Biden appealed to voters.
He didn't appeal to voters any where near as much as Trump repelled them. The anti Trump vote won the election and motivated the normally disenfranchised. If the "centrists" think that offering the same business as usual politics that offer no hope for the tens of millions of disenfranchised voters they are going to be sadly mistaken.
LOL @nickc
He didn’t appeal to voters any where near as much as Trump repelled them.
No argument there, but Sanders got thumped in the Democratic primary because black voters overwhelmingly preferred Biden. I think Sanders would have been a much easier target for Republicans to portray as a lefty socialist and that would have made him a difficult sell to Republican swing voters.
Well, I hate to ever say this but I think Hannity is right.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1556809389977309185
It's a weird world though. I mean Trump ran a campaign to politically investigate and presumably "charge" his opponent with a crime so that they could "Lock Her Up"
But otherwise this is a witch hunt?
It’s a weird world though. I mean Trump ran a campaign to politically investigate and presumably “charge” his opponent with a crime so that they could “Lock Her Up”
But otherwise this is a witch hunt?
Exactly
I normally “dot my I’s and cross my T’s”
Do they do it differently in the USA??
The far-right Libertarian press is banging on with the "If 'they' can do this to a billionaire, what could they do to you?" narrative. It's refreshing to see so many responses along the lines of "But I don't break the law".
The danger to democracy as we know it doesn't start and end with Trump, the entire billionaire class has forgotten how to be frightened of the working and middle classes.
But otherwise this is a witch hunt?
That and the use of the justice department to attack people he disagreed with.
Its always worth remembering with Trump though if you want to know what he has been up to/dreamt of doing before being told no just check what he is accusing others of.
The FBI director who almost certainly would have had to sign this off was appointed by Trump after he threw a strop with the previous one. Looks like his legendary skills at picking the best people is on display again.
There's still the question of what exactly they were after:
https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1557003553536974848
Looks like his legendary skills at picking the best people is on display again.
Seems that way! If i understand correctly the Sec of the DOJ who asked the FBI to carry out the search is a Trump appointee, and the Judge who was asked to sign the warrant for the search was also a Trump appointee.
Seems that way! If i understand correctly the Sec of the DOJ who asked the FBI to carry out the search is a Trump appointee, and the Judge who was asked to sign the warrant for the search was also a Trump appointee.
A good way to put distance between yourself and the orange buffoon's handiwork....
ah but that was just a trap by Trump so they would expose themselves as RINO's. He is playing 3d chess while the rest of us ae just playing draughts (iirc daddy got him a doctors note because he was too good for the draught)
The thread that keeps on giving...now seven years old and out lasting most of the old STW Big Hitters!
Please hurry up and die of an embarrassing illess (Trump that is, not this thread) so he doesn't turn into a alt-right hero or martyr
I can't wait to find out what they were looking for, and God knows I'm hoping they found it
Please hurry up and die of an embarrassing illess (Trump that is, not this thread) so he doesn’t turn into a alt-right hero or martyr
Gotta say, I’m rather hoping for prison. Then after the conviction the facts can be made public - after there’s no more “on-going investigation”.
They must be really really really confident they'd find something. Literally the heads of everything in America would have had to sign off on raiding an ex president regardless of who he was.
Trump is going to spend the rest of his life fighting some lawsuit or another, whether he ever sees time in jail is highly debatable.
Torn on whether I want him to throw his hat into the ring for another shot at the big job. The worry if he doesn't is someone else as mad/extreme but with better presentation skills takes the nomination instead and succeeds with the MAGA crowd. Watching some of the US commentary, they seem to be loading all sorts of official posts with full on Qanon wackos. Last times 'stop the steal' was just a practice.
They must be really really really confident they’d find something. Literally the heads of everything in America would have had to sign off on raiding an ex president regardless of who he was.
I think they had to take these back regardless
They are super-duper top Secret, Russia/China would love to get them
https://twitter.com/BrynnTannehill/status/1556981527090716673?t=TklVdyYqPqqIrFxmAgYYuw&s=19
I think they had to take these back regardless
They are super-duper top Secret, Russia/China would love to get them
Hmmm - not saying that what they found does not look a bit like this but.....an FBI operation so disciplined that the raid took everyone by surprise and wasn't leaked, yet spills its guts to random professional tweeters within hours with the details of what was found.
an FBI operation so disciplined that the raid took everyone by surprise and wasn’t leaked, yet spills its guts to random professional tweeters within hours with the details of what was found.
Wasn’t it Eric’s Trump tweeting that alerted everyone to the fact the FBI had visited - I expect the rest is just speculation
I expect the rest is just speculation
That's my point - the fact that Brynn Tannehill can have 'an understanding' of what the fbi took away feels highly suspect.
eric trump - not the sharpest knife in the block
That’s my point – the fact that Brynn Tannehill can have ‘an understanding’ of what the fbi took away feels highly suspect.
Theres two parties with a knowledge of what was there to be seized: 'an FBI operation so disciplined that the raid took everyone by surprise' - and Trump and his dwindling team of reliably stupid hangers on. So there's more than one avenue for information to emerge.
Yep trump would have been given a list of exactly what was taken
Please hurry up and die of an embarrassing illess (Trump that is, not this thread) so he doesn’t turn into a alt-right hero or martyr
When he dies, the MAGA nuts will obviously claim he was assassinated. A medical report saying that he was grossly obese and unhealthy and died of natural causes will just be seen as evidence of a coverup - Trump himself said he was the healthiest person his doctor had ever seen and he followed up on that by walking down a ramp unaided.
