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So trump bragging about how many $$$$ he is worth in the other trial was used in this case to set the award amount.
The bestest of bestest business mind.
Apparently going bankrupt won't help either as she will be his biggest creditor.
hahah, brilliant... I expect a lot of whining and moaning, but this must be it for him, he's surely, finaly, done for after this?
mr fez - the term used in the defamation case, with specific reference to sexual assault, is 'digital penetration'.
donny was sticking his finger where it wasn't wanted.
mr fez – the term used in the defamation case, with specific reference to sexual assault, is ‘digital penetration’.
donny was sticking his finger where it wasn’t wanted
Well, I don't think there's any confusion as to if he was pen-testing her fire wall for security vulnerabilities!
I'm not sure that this is as helpful to Trump as Rudy thinks it is.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1751044280406167692
Did he go for anal bleaching but had the wrong end done? Wtaf?
He doesn't look, or speak like a well man.
'it's not rape, it's 'only' sexual assault', well thanks for that Mr G! the courts have already established that, this rulling is just to specify how much money Trump, as a sexual predator, has to pay his victim for said sexual abuse!
Thankfully, it's a lot.
I hope Trumps lawyer got her fee up front.
To be fair, Trumps lawyer looks like someone who fell out of a cocktail bar at 4pm on a friday night and started screaming about the lack of taxis, at a lamp post.
I can't imagine this will ever be paid though. Like in the Jones and Giuliani cases it seems the very rich can just tie it up in court forever while they continue to spend as normal.
I can’t imagine this will ever be paid though
Apparently he has to hand over the cash to the court in order to appeal. The court already has the first $5m sitting in the bank. Yes, he can try to drag the appeals out for years, but I doubt that he can count that money as an asset on his financial records. That will make it harder for him to take out loans and I guess he'll pay higher interest. His net worth doesn't seem to be the billions that he claims so losing access to $85m is probably a much bigger blow than it seems at first glance.
Apparently he has to hand over the cash to the court in order to appeal
Nice. Reading about it a bit more it also seems the award was so high in order to stop him making further similar claims as he doesn't normally stop when told to. Got to like that really
Apparently he has to hand over the cash to the court in order to appeal.
Trump always says he'll fight and fight and appeal, but in reality; he almost never does; according to one study I saw back when he was president. Trump either wins or settles, but he never says "I lost, fair cop"
I read somewhere that much of her bluster up there about being stripped of right to appeal is because when various bits of evidence were being entered in court, she had 'No objection' to it, and consequently the evidence is accepted as true. Even suggested she was saying it without understanding what she was saying because she'd seen it on films! but surely not even the dumbest law school graduate is that dumb.
Now they want to go back and contest it which is a basic law 1.01 failing. There is a possibility to do that in a criminal case apparently if the judge rules that the lawyer is incompetent and hence a fair trial is denied, but that isn't the situation in a civil case.
So her main objection to the denied right to appeal seems to rest on a complex legalese argument proving how bad she is at her job? That's Catch 22 lawyering, right there.
Given Trumps record of not paying his lawyers, not listening to their instructions and constantly lying no decent lawyer will touch him nowadays. IN the UK a barrister pretty much has to take a case as it done on a queuing basis IIRC. In the US this principle does not exist.
Again IIRC he has had great difficulty in getting lawyers even to represent him in some of these cases as no suitably qualified person would represent
I do love a bit of schadenfreude
Hubbas incompetence started waaaay before the trial even started!
They missed deadlines on their expert whitenesses, objecting to the prosecution expert whitness, waited 3 years to assert presidential immunity so missed that too.
Then at trial, she didn’t know how to address the judge, didn’t know how to introduce documents into evidence, didn’t know how to raise an objection. Tried to retry the case, despite Trump was already found liable. Her behaviour was so bad, she came close to being locked up 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
His net worth doesn’t seem to be the billions that he claims so losing access to $85m is probably a much bigger blow than it seems at first glance.
US news clips last night suggested he has $400m-ish of cash he can draw on. 20% of that is now ring-fenced and the other cases will require around $350m of cash when he loses. Anyone want to go halves on a gaudy hotel somewhere in US?
Radio 4 reporting this morning that the begging letters for cash fundraising activities have already gone out.
He’s doing his whole thing about this being a plot by the ‘Deep State’ to undermine him and Billy Bob who lives in his trailer, eating squirrels in shitsville, Idaho is apparently responding by sending him money.
In a way you sort of have to admire the bare-faced front of it
I have mentioned this chap before https://www.youtube.com/@briantylercohen
I am a bit distrustful of the slightly too tight sharp suits and his glee at Trumps downfall but he seems to make good analysis. His sidekick who is a lawyer as well stated that to appeal Trump needs to put up a cash bond - but not necessarily the full amount
Seems the only appeal possible in this second case is about the amount, Not the fact that he libelled her.
We're living in a dystopian future.
I have no idea what the Swift-hate is all about. Just somethng else to be angry about? The whole thing is totally weird.
WTF is with the Taylor Swift hate?
This explains it pretty well:
The absurdity of that - if it is the strategy - is... theres no need for Taylor Swift to endorse anyone, if she ever would have done, for her to be of any influence. By attacking her the signal to Taylor Swift fans (of which there are rather a lot I presume) is the Republican Party is not your party.
I do have to admire their faith in the CIA. It would be a seriously impressive operation not just in terms of planning needed but the sheer imagination of it.
I hope they are only paying her gov wages as well since would help cover their costs with her wealth.
By attacking her the signal to Taylor Swift fans (of which there are rather a lot I presume)
It seems she's fairly popular!
https://theweek.com/culture/entertainment/1025810/taylor-swift-records-2023
WTF is with the Taylor Swift hate?
She's everything they desire - a rich, beautiful, talented white woman - but she's not racist and doesn't hate 'the gays', and the only way they can process the cognitive dissonance is to invent ludicrous conspiracies about her.
Or maybe they're terrified she'll mobilise her legion of fans to vote Democrat.
Shouldn't have long to wait for the verdict to be handed down in the NY civil fraud case as the judge said he wanted to reach a decision by 31st January.
Will the 'disgorgement' be anywhere near the $370 million the AG wants?
What about...the other charges being considered, the possible life time ban on trump doing business in NY, the dissolution of his NY registered businesses?
The month could end on a real high!
The month could end on a real high!
Who knows...
It will be interesting... I imagine it will be incredibly punitive as the justice system will want to send a very clear message.
Taylor Swift should run as an independent.
Oh, Jesus Christ. The MAGA nuts are so ridiculous that it's easy to think of them as a joke and forget that they have given permission to some very dangerous people to unleash their insane fantasies.
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1752530121183928711
I think once you've got to 'decapitating your dad on youtube' levels of crazy any olde cause will do
I think once you’ve got to ‘decapitating your dad on youtube’ levels of crazy any olde cause will do
I worked in Social Housing for 2 years. One Tenant was particularly horrible, neighbours complained etc, as usual the Management wouldnt do anything. It went on for a few months. We were called there to make the place safe, not told any more, but the Police were there, and we were to liaise with them. The place was being cleaned when we got there, but there was clearly something wrong, as a large cover was on the living room floor. All we did was confirm the electric was off, and we turned the water off, and got out, no-one said what had happened. It turned out he’d killed his Grandad in the bungalow, firstly knocking him over, jumping on him until he ws dead, then trying to cut his head off. The bloke next door had it on his Ring camera, he’d killed his grandad, then went to his car to get the saw. The Police arrived as he was using the saw. The Court case brought out what a nutter this bloke was, and he should have been locked up years ago, as he was clearly mentally unstable with a violent streak. Oh, also, he got 7 years extra (iirc) for killing the cat, and nailing it to the wall. News report linked below:
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/man-killed-stamped-grandad-before-8003355
I think once you’ve got to ‘decapitating your dad on youtube’ levels of crazy any olde cause will do
Yes, but the MAGA nuttery gives people permission to act out their fantasies. This woman ran for a congressional seat in Florida as a Republican.
https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1752551960941670560
Taylor Swift should run as an independent.
Would that not just split the Dem vote?
Shouldn’t have long to wait for the verdict to be handed down in the NY civil fraud case as the judge said he wanted to reach a decision by 31st January.
So...anyone seen any news about this?
No, nothing to report.
Judge Engoron said he '...wanted to reach a decision by 31st January'.
Think of the decision as a snowball rolling down the mountain - getting bigger and faster...
donny knows he's going to be crushed - somewhere; it's just wait and see for the when and where.
Could we develop some sort of MAGA misfortune totaliser and work out which countries GDP is equivalent to Alex Jones, Mike Lindel, Guilianii, Fox, Trmp et al’s fines and legal fees
heard a bit about the stalled enquiry into Trump and emoluments. He was very quick to declare he’d put his business interests into trust while he was was pres. as presidents can’t receive income from foreign businesses. Then… very quick to quietly alter the term of the trust so that he was allowed to help himself to cash.
only a small percentage of the paperwork was handed over before the GOP managed to halt the enquiry but it revealed $8m of income from foreign government backed businesses - most of that from China, some of that from the Chinese embassy in Washington
so… there’ll be another court case
MAGA nutters now claiming Alina Habba is a Deep State plant deliberately doing a s*** job for her client.
MAGA nutters now claiming Alina Habba is a Deep State plant deliberately doing a s*** job for her client.
let’s start a countdown to the moment where Trump says he doesn’t know her.
And another non starter for Donnie
Sorry for the sky news link.
Lord Owen suggesting Farage should be American Ambassador because he’s got influence with Trump.
Interestingly - I've heard quite a few American commentators picking up on Trump rambling about 'Debanking',warning his crowds that 'they' will debank them for their political beliefs, at his rallies and just finding it amusing nonsense as they've no idea what the term relates to and just presume its one of his brain-farts. It does give give UK listeners and good sense of who has Trump's ear though.
Not quite sure what would convince a lawyer that working as Trump's defence is good for their ongoing career. . . .
Not quite sure what would convince a lawyer that working as Trump’s defence is good for their ongoing career.
Mr Dunning and Mr Kruger
Is there a simple list anywhere showing each of Trumps legal cases and the status of each (lost, appealing, ongoing, civil, criminal etc.). It would be great to see his loss rate, considering he is such a winner.
The wikipedia page goes back to 1973
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump
But I'd love to see it interpreted as a Littlewoods pools coupon
The latest election campaign finance reports show that trump spent $50 million of campaign funds - not his own, personal money - on legal fees.
$1 million a week to lose court cases - or fail to win or fail to delay them.
That is impressive!
This excludes bills being paid direct by the RNC.
It's clear that his base will never understand or accept that he's rinsing them and has absolutely no interest in them other than using them to achieve his objectives.
Other than his family - and even that is debatable - everyone is disposable, fully expendable.
Billy Bob & Cindy Lou will never see him for who and what he really is.
Frank - is that legal? I guess he collected the money without stating it was actually going to be used for electoral campaigning?
His wife seems to have gone missing completely
She’s a WINO. wife in name only
tj - from everything I've read, yes, it's legal; donations are to a political action committee (PAC) or super PAC and they control disbursements.
There is a lot of information online but it's turgid to trawl through it.
As for his missus, she has been largely invisible since he left the White House; also, her mother died recently.
I would be very surprised if she wasn't focussed on securing her future and that of her son; updating the pre-nup etc.
TJ - he's been done for misappropriation of campaign funds before, but more recently his appeals for funds have been accompanied with small print that states a proportion of the donation goes to campaign funds and the rest to take care of off 'expenses'.
Not quite sure what would convince a lawyer that working as Trump’s defence is good for their ongoing career
America! It’ll probably be great for their careers. These are lawyers, American lawyers.
tj, del - I don't believe trump has ever been done for misappropriation of campaign funds but happy to be proved wrong.
He and the trump foundation were found guilty of diverting charity funds to his 2016 election campaign - c$2.8 million; see link https://www.npr.org/2019/11/07/777287610/judge-says-trump-must-pay-2-million-over-misuse-of-foundation-funds.
The House select committee which investigated the Jan 6 riot believed they had made the case for an election defence fund fraud as the fund didn't exist but raised c$250 million.
It didn't progress to a court case; I don't know if it could - and who could bring it and how - if trump loses in November; at the very least the Dems would need control of the House.
See link https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/capitol-attack-panel-trump-election-defense-fund
There were also allegations about the mis-use of 'recount funds' immediately after the 2020 election; the Federal Election Commission have done nothing to clarify or tighten the regulations in this little corner of US election campaign funding.
I think the monies involved are part of the $250 million referred to above.
See link https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/capitol-attack-panel-trump-election-defense-fund
It seems to me that US election funding and campaign spending needs to be thoroughly reviewed with much tighter regulations implemented covering fund raising and disbursements backed up by heavy penalties for any breach.
It does give give UK listeners and good sense of who has Trump’s ear though.
Debanking may have come from Canada instead. Lots of shouting about debanking and the like when the "freedom convoy" were protesting about lockdown and whatever else tickled their fancy.
Not quite sure what would convince a lawyer that working as Trump’s defence is good for their ongoing career.
Depends if you want a career as a lawyer or as a right wing "personality" on fox news etc.
Now Haley's having a go at trump and his PACs about using political donations to cover his legal costs - good.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/01/politics/haley-interview-cnntv/index.html
IF she can needle trump into a debate it's certain she will raise his mental acuity - or lack of - and questionable use of political donations on top of all the other stuff.
She should continue saying he's scared to debate her, repeatedly ask him...what's the problem?
On a debate stage she would run rings around him and there would be the age contrast which would be unavoidable and that, I think, is another reason why he won't respond.
A woman of Indian heritage is calling him out and he can't respond as he wants to; he used his political patronage to make her UN ambassador - in his mind, I'm sure he's seething that she isn't showing the 'respect' or thanks he thinks is due.
I hope her campaign continues to raise funds to keep her in the race - not because I have any love for the GOP; it's my hope that trump will bite and then destroy himself in public.
Fantastic decision by the federal appeals court; the odious orange one will definitely appeal this to the Supreme Court.
They hear oral arguments in the Colorado ballot disqualification case in two days.
NY fraud case disgorgement decision isn't far away.
Pressure is mounting on donny.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
EDIT: it was 3-0; trump can request an 'en-banc' review by the full appeals court bench of 9 before going to the Supreme Court.
My money is on that as it will take up more time; if that happens and is followed by the SC...trying to run down the clock.
If he's the GOP nominee and loses, he will be destroyed and finished.
Frank - I thought the misuse of campaign funds was all part of the Stormy Daniels thing, paying her off? Wouldn't be the first time I've written something incorrect online however! 🙃
Del - the NY fraud case is the one about his dodgy business financing; inflating/reducing asset values etc according to what he was doing - inflate when borrowing, reduce for tax purposes.
The mis-use of campaign funds is, as you say, the Stormy Daniels one; brought by Alvin Bragg, Southern District of NY.
I think that one is scheduled to start in court mid-March.
There are so many cases, it's easy to get confused!
Interesting that he hasn't said a word about E Jean Carroll since the $83.3 million defamation damages award; he knows that, if he does, he will get belted - again.
I thought the misuse of campaign funds was all part of the Stormy Daniels thing, paying her off?
Sort of but back to front I think. IIRC For once Trump used his own money to pay Daniels. Up to that point he'd only loaned money to his own election campaign then paid it back to himself - but the shut up money payment to Daniels was made in the interests of his campaign - so was campaign spending - but wasn't declared as such. I think he used Trump company money but tried to disguise the spend as 'legal fees' with Cohen as the middle man
Gah! Thanks! 🤣
I think he used Trump company money but tried to disguise the spend as ‘legal fees’ with Cohen as the middle man
IIRC Cohen invoiced Trump, who then paid it out of Trump Org as "legal fees". It was therefore tax deductible, so in the end, the US taxpayer paid for Trump to get his wicked way with Ms Daniels.
I had a little titter - ooh, er missus - when I read the reference to 'Citizen trump'.
He will, hopefully, have been choking on his mac'n'fries when the decision landed and he saw that reference.
Nikki Haley is trying to goad/provoke him into a debate with her; she's saying...he's too old, has questionable morals, is playing fast'n'loose with campaign funds by using them to pay legal fees, is scared to debate her
one-to-one.
She's of Indian origin and a woman.
I think trump's head must be spectacularly trucked up by all of this.
Maybe it's the start of payback time for his past illegality and questionable/immoral/amoral behaviour.
In the past he was known to ask '...where's my Roy Cohn?' Lawyer to trump and his old man.
A real piece of poison; if you don't know who/what he was, go inform yourself.
As a flavour - he sat alongside, actively encouraged and supported joe mccarthy, junior senator from wisconsin, in his search for and persecution of perceived communists in the US.
They - mccarthy and cohn - are both long dead; may they rot in hell.
Fantastic decision by the federal appeals court; the odious orange one will definitely appeal this to the Supreme Court.
His options are actually quite limited. The federal appeals court gave a one week stay, but only if it's appealed to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court can just refuse to accept the case, personally, I think the conservative justices have nothing to gain by accepting it. He can also ask for an en banc review from the full federal appeals court, but his case will have to go forward in court while that is happening. All three judges came out very strongly against him in the ruling so it's hard to see why the court would want to waste time on an en banc review that is almost certain to just affirm the current finding.
In short, he's going to be facing charges in court very soon unless the Supreme Court decide to take up the case and delay it further.
In short, he’s going to be facing charges in court very soon unless the Supreme Court decide to take up the case and delay it further.
I know Trump helped stack tne Supreme Court, but its such a flagrant breach of legal/democratic principles I can see why the SC might refuse to hear the appeal, but I guess they may want justice to be seen to be done.
The Supreme Court can just refuse to accept the case, personally, I think the conservative justices have nothing to gain by accepting it.
I thought they've already indicated they'll accept it (and expedite a decision), they were just waiting on the lower court to reach a judgement?
Whilst the SC is stacked with Republicans it would be incredibly difficult for them to decide a President has total immunity, maybe they'll try and fudge something along the lines of the Trump's defence that immunity applies unless indicted by Congress but hopefully they'll just straight up reject the argument. If they don't I'm all for Joe Biden, given he would have immunity, ordering the assassination of Trump, MAGA members of Congress and the corrupt members of the SC.
If there’s anything we’ve learned from this saga is that that the orange man-child cannot be written off…he IS a floater that won’t flush.
FTFY 😉
If there’s anything we’ve learned from this saga is that that the orange man-child cannot be written off…he’s like a floater that won’t flush.
Staying with that theme.... I've long hoped for him to have an Elvis style check-out but livestreamed for his idiot followers
I thought they’ve already indicated they’ll accept it (and expedite a decision), they were just waiting on the lower court to reach a judgement?
AFAIK, it can't be appealed to the SC until the lower court appeal is finished. The SC does not have to accept it. They will look at what the federal court ruled and, if there's nothing in there that they disagree with, they can just say that they don't accept the appeal.
What the Court will do, of course, is anyone’s guess. The conventional wisdom is that the Supreme Court will feel the need to weigh in on a matter as weighty as presidential immunity, adding weeks or months to the timeline before Trump is likely to face trial for the events of Jan. 6. We’re not so sure: The justices have already declined to weigh in on the matter once before, when they rejected Special Counsel Jack Smith’s motion for expedited consideration this past December. And it has proven content to let the D.C. Circuit’s judgment—or that of another appellate court—hold on other politically charged matters involving former President Trump, including a number of 2020 election challenges by him and his supporters and his efforts to enjoin the transfer of his presidential records to the Jan. 6 committee. Nor would this posture necessarily be unusual, as the Supreme Court has been content to let the D.C. Circuit be the effective last word on any number of legal questions relating to the inner workings of the federal government.
This week's 'Taylor Swift is a CIA Plant' talking point (which got an airing on Fox News) means that even Donald Trump checking out in a gizzard and big mac puddle at the Republican National Convention would simply produce even more outlandish conspiracies for millions of Americans to swallow whole.
There really is no hope for a large swathe of the US population, they are deep into mass delusion and I can't see it ending well.