Also there will be head to head clash when women leaders face each others.
1970 called it wants it's sexual politics back....
chewkw - What else do you reckon?
#chewkwnonsense
while Trump's behaviour towards women make it easier for UK to deal with him due UK having a female PM.
The thought of Trump making a B-line for the PMs crotch has just produced a little bit of sick.
and at this point they have updated [url= http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/29/us/politics/at-least-110-republican-leaders-wont-vote-for-donald-trump-heres-when-they-reached-their-breaking-point.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news ]How to win friends and influence people[/url]
It has always been here/there, never been away but just portray differently so what is new?mikewsmith - Member
1970 called it wants it's sexual politics back....Also there will be head to head clash when women leaders face each others.
If Democrat Presidency candidate wins the race then these people with their names on the list will find the political career in decline. The supporters will turn against them big time so they will find their open criticisim with names on the list not very clever. They would be better off keeping silent. The supporters might not like Trump but they dislike Hilary even more.mikewsmith - Member
and at this point they have updated How to win friends and influence people
Yes, men and women don't always default to their stereotypes. Good politicians and diplomats are good because of who they are not their plumbing.
The Donald would butt heads with anyone who chose not to agree with him, looks like that's working well for him.
Its interesting seeing news today of senior Republicans announcing withdrawal of their support to Trump following the release of a tape of his 1980s Radio 1 DJ impersonation.
Its startling that one candid recording of remarks about women made 10 years ago carries much more weight than all of the utterly foul things he's said about and to women since - not that, not the public incitements to violence and murder, not the racism, not the unhinged fantasies of building his Great Wall of Jina, or the imagined internet on/off switch that Bill Gates keeps in his house.
Non of that - no. The last straw it seems is the revelation that he [i]is[/i] the creep he says he is.
Non of that - no. The last straw it seems is the revelation that he is the creep he says he is.
from a previous post
"Because few Republican lawmakers have Muslim relatives. Few Republican lawmakers are of Mexican heritage. Few Republican lawmakers have faced discrimination based on the colour of their skin. But all of them have white female relatives. And therefore, when Trump talks about grabbing white women by the genitals, they can directly relate."
Also there will be head to head clash when women leaders face each others.
& you're basing this conclusion on what exactly?.......
while Trump's behaviour towards women make it easier for UK to deal with him due UK having a female PM.
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As for the views of the the very distasteful man elected on a promise of mass murder and more his view dont seem align with the rest of the government (from what gets reported down in Oz which is probably more than in the uk)
They aren't the views of just the President though are they, besides - the only thing worse than Duterte is the corrupt Filipino government.
The Americans waged a 15 year war on the Philippines killing 1.5 million of them, then a number of decades later - setup airbases in the Phillipines and let American troops get away with sex crimes. They really, really dislike American interventionism.
Unlike Trump, Duterte didn’t play to reactionary Philippine grievances on race and identity. During his time as mayor of Davao City, he pushed through nondiscrimination laws protecting both women and the city’s Muslim minority. Unlike Obama, he doesn't use drones to carry out mass murder.
http://www.businessinsider.com/rodrigo-dutertes-drug-war-in-the-philippines-has-killed-2000-2016-8?IR=T
Well he has started. I'm not aware that you can forgive the sins of the present if the ones in the past were worse.
Obama
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/category/projects/drones/drones-graphs/
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Oh but it's only murder if a non-westener does it?
You racist scumbags.
Well setting off gangs to kill people in your own country isn't the best thing. Again are we saying that anything is allowed so long as it's not the worst thing ever?
Well setting off gangs to kill people in your own country isn't the best thing. Again are we saying that anything is allowed so long as it's not the worst thing ever?
I agree - but that has nothing to do with why some Filipinos might want a less interventionist United States.
The Philippines is unfornutaely so rampantly corrupt, that I'd say the main criticism that can be levelled at Duterte is that he is simply killing the wrong people.
Very true but the reports I'm seeing is his generals and others are happy to have US help along with many others in the region due to the increasing tensions with NK and China. Nothing being black and white and all that.
At no point does having Trump running the show make that end of the world better
Very true but the reports I'm seeing is his generals and others are happy to have US help along with many others in the region due to the increasing tensions with NK and China. Nothing being black and white and all that.
The same military that still tosses off to pictures of Marcos and staged the 1989 coup against Aquino?
Non of that - no. The last straw it seems is the revelation that he is the creep he says he is.
also thinking about it, GOP have been using the "sexual impropriety" stick to beat the clintons remorselessly for the last 20 years and it turns out their current candidate is worse and possibly a serial sex offender (by his own admission) #groppergate
Just watched Nigel Farage on C4 news, defending Trump's behaviour. Really - how did we sink so low?
Be fair,Nigel started at the bottom and is happily staying there.
It'll be interesting to see if Alex Salmond makes good on his promise to move to Antarctica if Trump does get in. I'd imagine there are a fair few in the Aberdeen area who wouldn't be too devastated after Salmond's involvement in Trump's golf course. Every cloud and all that. Quite refreshing to see a politician hoodwinked by someone else lying for a change ( I know that Trump can be loosely described as a politician now, but wasn't when they first had dealings).
Be fair,Nigel started at the bottom and is happily staying there.
There is photographic evidence to show that he's actually turned a corner and is now no longer interested in the bottom.
He's a public schoolboy,of course he's still interested in the bottom.
Why is that?
kimbers - MemberThe republicans that are deserting him are ones you'd never have thought would've backed him in the first place!
This is it. Mccain gave a list of all the other things that bothered him about Trump up til now and it's pretty much impossible to think "you should never have endorsed him in the first place,with a list like that" I reckon some of them are taking their chance to abandon ship and distance themselves from the campaign before the election, rather than really being bothered by it.
It's a fair point, but is there any other Republican candidate ever who leading Republican politicians have refused to back? Up until now they might have been reluctant, but they had fallen into line.
looking like the gloves are going to be off for the debate, Trump has Retweeted the Juanita Broaddrick rape allegations against Billy Boy.
Wasn't it a bit like Jezza, none of them expected him to win? In the end, he did, and now Labour/Republicans are in the doo-doo of their own making.
Politics is in bad shape
More creepiness. Apparently Trump used to stroll through the dressing rooms at his beauty pageants so he could see the contestants naked. He'd been called on this before and denied it but they now have a recording of him bragging about it to Howard Stern in 2005
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicagarrison/we-were-all-naked-when-donald-trump-walked-in
If Trump withdraws do we get Pence?
Because, well, y'know...
and nearly time to kick off 🙂 I'll be watching more for sport than anything else, I wonder if they have rules to stop it as cruel when Trump loses it..
We’re not surprised to see Donald Trump continue his destructive race to the bottom. Hillary Clinton understands the opportunity in this town hall is to talk to voters on stage and in the audience about the issues that matter to them, and this stunt doesn’t change that. If Donald Trump doesn’t see that, that’s his loss. As always, she’s prepared to handle whatever Donald Trump throws her way.”
Klunk - Member
looking like the gloves are going to be off for the debate, Trump has Retweeted the Juanita Broaddrick rape allegations against Billy Boy.
And in no way defending that (despite lots of story changes and sworn testimony about it) Bill ain't up for election.
and in summary (from someone else)
Who won the night?
Unlike the last debate, Hillary Clinton did not wipe the floor with Donald Trump.If you believe in a realistic approach to policy and dignity in public office, she won. But if you don't trust her and you're sick of business as usual in politics, you probably favoured him.
What they've done here is played to their existing bases, not likely persuaded any undecided voters through these performances. Overall that means she won the debate because he needs to do more than she does to attract more voters if he wants any hope of winning the election.
So overall, a victory for Clinton.
I think that summed it up completely, he isn't finished but the defib is on standby.
An interesting but cringeworthy episode
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast
At times it seemed that Bill was the one up for election not Hillary. Probably the best bit was the moderator after listenting to Trump for 2 mins ask him the same question to see if he was interested in answering it rather than whatever tangent he had just gone off one.
Yeah you can see the input of Farage, he was bullying and unrepentant, he won't have win over any moderates with his maniacal demeanour, but the core will love it.
He won't have convinced anyone, after all that bad press,that he respects women by intimidating and ranting away at Hilary, but he's obviously too far gone to see that
So, when is he going to release his tax details?
Apparently Trump needs to win over the "undecideds". I am really struggling to see how you could be "undecided" or not on whether to vote for him? And what would it take to win over someone who is thinking that a vote for Trump is a reasonable course of action?
Supposedly undecideds saw the debate as 44/41 to Clinton
One commentator said something like - Trump won the debate but the bar was set incredibly low
I think Trump's probably right when he says if he wins Hillary will go to jail (for breaching security rules and covering it up)
1 month to go
I suspect Trump will be in Prison long before Clinton, surely it's just a matter of time before an underage sex tape turns up from his miss teen USA pageant days.
I think Trump's probably right when he says if he wins Hillary will go to jail (for breaching security rules and covering it up)
For what crime? Given that the FBI said that no crime had been committed (although they were very critical of her behaviour) I fail to see what he can do about it. Just because you are president of the USA doesn't mean you can just send people to jail!
I am really struggling to see how you could be "undecided" or not on whether to vote for him?
I suspect at least some of them are people who (possibly quite rightly) don't trust Clinton but are undecided if they can stomach voting for Trump to keep her out.
I think Trump's probably right when he says if he wins Hillary will go to jail (for breaching security rules and covering it up)
I think that was already covered as unconstitutional, maybe even a proper one not just an ammendment.
Problem for Trump is the undecided don't all live in the right places, no need to convince people in the deep south to vote for you they are the done deals. Last predictions had it at something like 320 for Clinton she needs 270. Trumps business dealings will all be getting a good look over for the next few weeks, I believe there are more tapes too.
Light relief: anyone seen Jimmy Kimmel's "Drunk Donald Trump" skits. Quite amusing:
Oh and just for balance:
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I've just watched the debate recorded from last night. Clinton absolutely blew him off the floor imho. He said nothing of substance, no policy, no plan, other than to trash-talk her.
I've just watched the debate recorded from last night. Clinton absolutely blew him off the floor imho. He said nothing of substance, no policy, no plan, other than to trash-talk her.
Which is exactly what gained him his popularity with the core of his support. I keep telling everyone that you have to stop thinking of politics in the accepted sense of the word.
The new politics is one in which you must NEVER apologise or be contrite. The way to get out a corner is to (preferably) double down and say/do something even more outrageous. Then use this sheer chutzpah to portray yourself as a 'non-politician' a 'straight-talker' and someone who thinks that common decency is some kind of left-wing invention.
They'll love you for it.
The real art is in actually winning over the undecided voters - we must pray that the US citizenship rejects this vile excuse for a man.
[quote=dantsw13 ]I've just watched the debate recorded from last night. Clinton absolutely blew him off the floor imho. He said nothing of substance, no policy, no plan, other than to trash-talk her.
Of course Clinton won the debate on policy, she always has and always will, because he doesn't have a clue. You have to consider the audience though - a lot of them won't be won over by that and him landing blows on her will convince some of them (even those not his core voters).
I'm wondering just how vindictive Clinton is given his threats against her. It would be surprising if there isn't something he could be jailed for given prosecutors with sufficient motivation.
If the GOP were hoping for a contrite apology they will be severely disappointed.