Exsee
There is no room for interpretation
DO NOT LEAVE YOUR HOUSE
Quite clear and no room to fudge
Like to quote something that says that there is? Put up or shut up
I wish that was me.
One of the people in that picture is a piss taking ****er...
Even Kuensbergs piece in the BBC news site is critical....
The gov claiming that Cummings did self-isolate as per the rules is a bit like me claiming to be a vegan when I don't eat meat; he broke the rules by driving across half the country first. That much we know anyway, and there are accusations he further flouted the rules.
It's unedifying to see the gov playing with words like a sophist here.
A thoughtful piece from a QC on the law, guidelines and context of the situation.
https://insights.doughtystreet.co.uk/post/102g80l/did-dominic-cummings-act-responsibly-and-legally
TL;DR? Cummings is a very naughty boy.
As a West Ham fan I am more than happy to criticise the owners, manager or players when they are shit.
I don't see why Gammon F.C fans feel that they can't criticise the shit players in their team. Cummings is a **** and has bought team gammon into disrepute, why can they not see it?
I like dannyh anagram game:
Cimungms si a ttoal tunc
I would personally drive from one end of country to the other to make sure she was happy while believing that was essential and within the guidelines regarding childcare.
One of the reasons for having a clear and simple "Stay at Home" rule, is to help people like you who have difficulty understanding how to keep themselves and other people safe.
Pondo, it has been argued by half the world for months that UK guidance isn't clear at all. Now when it suits it's clear and unequivocal.
Gov guidance
It is clear to me that it allows an element of common sense and interpretation which is what I have been doing and what I would encourage those who can to do. If you cannot see past staying at home for safety then do that but I won't be and neither of us are in the wrong.
excsee nothing personal with the bollox comment
simply that the childcare excuse is obviously bollox
even the Mail think its laughable
Whatever.
Shouldn't Dom Cum be plotting and scheming rather than posting on here under a pseudonym trying vainly to nudge STW opinion? He needs to put the overtime in following his two week holiday in the North East surely?
Daily Mail in playing the populist game better than the PM shocker!
exsee, your posts are tiresome.
The "we know better attitude" reminds me of Rees Mogg's obhorrent comments about Grenfell.
actually tomorrows papers are a riot
That guidance linked above repeatedly uses the word "must" where a person is symptomatic or living with someone symptomatic.
Perhaps it's a cognitive defecit on my part but that sounds like an absolute to me rather than a suggestion?
This is a pretty damning statement from one of the behavioural scientists advising the government on how people will respond to the lockdown measures:
Prof Stephen Reicher, of St Andrews University, tweeted: “I can say that in a few short minutes tonight, Boris Johnson has trashed all the advice we have given on how to build trust and secure adherence to the measures necessary to control Covid-19.
“Be open and honest, we said. Trashed. Respect the public, we said. Trashed. Ensure equity, so everyone is treated the same, we said. Trashed. Be consistent we said. Trashed. Make clear ‘we are all in it together’. Trashed.
“It is very hard to provide scientific advice to a government which doesn’t want to listen to science. I hope, however, that the public will read our papers … and continue to make up for this bad government with their own good sense.”
There is nothing in the non-exhaustive list of reasonable excuses (for not staying at home) that makes any provision for people to leave their homes (let alone drive 250 miles) to find the best childcare arrangements. What is more, at least one person in the car was certainly infected meaning that The Coronavirus Act comes into play which imposes further restrictions.
This was not a life or death issue for their child. It's preposterous to claim that childcare could not have been secured in London for a man of Cummings' means and stature, especially with an in-law and assistant close by.
Sure it wouldn't have been ideal, but it's not ideal that people have missed saying goodbye to dying family either.
What certainly happened is that Cummings didn't fancy spending the next two weeks being shut up in his London house; a person such as himself has every right to run off to the more pleasant surroundings of his parents' property in Durham. He's special.
The childcare excuse might well be made up and guessing there will be more to come in the next few days. Important to remember they are frontline workers who potentially had to make a tricky decision regarding a 4 year old. I think we should be fair regardless of who's neck is on the chopping block.
If the daily mail brigade are unhappy then I'm not going to cry about that👍
My email to my MP who happens to be the Sec State for Wales and a total Tory sycophant:
Dear Mr S Hart,
Could you please provide me with your view on the latest situation with the Prime Minister’s special advisor?
In particular I’d like to know if you agree and defend the argument that his travels to Durham were within the rules of lockdown at the time.
My parents live in Northumberland and are both in their 70s. They had planned a party for their 50th wedding anniversary over the Easter holidays which they had to cancel. We obviously didn’t travel for 9 hours to see them. If I’d been ill with Covid would I have been within my rights to travel with my children to see them and stay with them for the sake of my children?
Do you think Dominic Cummings acted legally and with integrity?
Do you understand the anger across the country about this matter?
As my M.P. I would also request a personal answer from you rather than a cut and paste reply from a assistant.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Matt Lister
The MP I wrote to, Jason "No Show" McCartney has come out on Facebook after the PM's speech to say Cummings' position is untenable. Incredible.
exsee
Important to remember they are frontline workers
No they are not in any way shape or form and even if they were "stay at home" applies if anyone in the house is infected - everyone in the house must stay there
No room for interpretation.
Incredible to see the Daily Mail turning on them.
If there are any further revelations I think both of them are at risk.
If they did stop at a services I wonder f footage of the visit has been mysteriously deleted or NVR had a fault?
I don't think any further revelations are needed, every paper in the land is putting on their front page that Cummings has to go.
Lose the press, lose your voters.
Dunno. I have a real sense the knives are well and truly out. Big Tory hitters are saying very little and I suspect they are waiting to see what else comes out.
If the cops are involved then surely the ANPR will be the thing to catch him?
I think this is interesting.... https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/05/exclusive-dominic-cummings-parents-defend-their-son-he-faces-demands-resign
In addition, see the secret barrister's twitter feed and follow the sub-threads.
The moment is coming.
Mail turns on johnson; torygraph sycophancy; all other papers pissing all over johnson and cummings.
Mary Wakefield can't be feeling comfortable about her disingenuous article which strongly inferred she and cumshot were confined in London.
Wonder if/when Andrew Neil will comment in his capacity as chairman of the Spekkie's parent company.
I've linked the gov guidance tj, read it👍 plenty of scope for a bit of interpretation in there.
Ajantom, step away from the keyboard.
Frankconway, now you know how I feel👍
This is a pretty damning statement from one of the behavioural scientists advising the government on how people will respond to the lockdown measures:
at least 3 SAGE scientists have now said on twitter that this is damaging the ability of the government to keep the people onside during lockdown
that app is going to be taken up by no one
this is going to end up costing lives
Pondo, it has been argued by half the world for months that UK guidance isn’t clear at all. Now when it suits it’s clear and unequivocal.
Gov guidance
It is clear to me that it allows an element of common sense and interpretation which is what I have been doing and what I would encourage those who can to do. If you cannot see past staying at home for safety then do that but I won’t be and neither of us are in the wrong.
There is zero scope for interpretation - "if you display symptoms, stay at home". Which bit are you struggling with?
If they did stop at a services I wonder f footage of the visit has been mysteriously deleted or NVR had a fault?
In a 5L V8 Range Rover, it's pretty safe to assume that he's had to make a stop or two in his two (known) round trips to Durham and back... 🤷🏻♂️
If the cops are involved then surely the ANPR will be the thing to catch him?
I worry about how much the police will suddenly come under the influence of this current government... Under the Coronavirus bill, the government has pretty much carte blanche to do whatever they want right now, including taking charge of the police and making exemptions for those it sees fit.
Of course, the public shouldn't tolerate this, but the government can and will make it happen, should they need to!
I don’t think any further revelations are needed, every paper in the land is putting on their front page that Cummings has to go.
Lose the press, lose your voters.
I find it absolutely staggering that the Daily Fail has turned on them, but there you go... The only way that the conservative party can come out of this, and hold on to power in any way, shape or form right now, is if the rest of the cabinet and party get together, and agree to throw both Johnson & Cummings under the bus simultaneously! Some 350 odd politicians all exclaiming "but Boris & Dom made us act this way, they threatened us with our jobs" and pleading immunity...
Cos if Cummings goes, and Johnson doesn't... Dom ain't exactly the kind of guy to let that slide! He's a sycophant and control freak, and has desired nothing less than the total destruction of the UK government as we know it since he was a teenager! He could well do it, unless the Tory Party stand together against their "leader" and his handler...
@kimbers that's my concern. I just can't see how another lockdown as effective as this one can be carried off now.
Quote from Cummings' father in the New Statesman article (referring to journalists) seems to sum up the sense of entitlement:
“I just want you to understand how annoyed with you people we are,”
Trying to hint that Cummings drove from London to Durham because his favourite uncle had sadly died that weekend is really scraping the excuse barrel.
UK guidance has been woeful, sorry English advice has been woeful, however using this as a defence is a bit rich when the cockwomble responsible for the advice is the arsehole that wrote the advice...
Kuenssberg is out of hiding and she's on the brink of turning. Until now the rightwing press have been aiding and abetting the trumpian distraction from the thousands of deaths and incalculable suffering of their families at the altar of the Boris cult of personality. I reckon that ended today. The floodgates are going to open now. Today it's about Cummings' double standards and Boris' arrogant defence of him. Tomorrow it will be about the tens of thousands of dead that they've caused. They're both finished.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1264655266718593026?s=20
This is what happens when a genuinely intelligent man (though totally without morals) confronts his own and far more encompassing arrogance.
FloBo and Dom have seriously misread public opinion with this.
Wonderful in its way but also tragic for a country that is fighting the virus and watching what little government we have do anything, anything to retain power/protect its messiah.
Whatever the cost to the nation.
dannyh - as we can all now rely on the domcum defence is it not time to organise an STW ride where we all have to drive a long long way to the start and have multiple stops in villages along the way.
Could invite exsee and others who've been online irritants.
The MP I wrote to, Jason “No Show” McCartney has come out on Facebook after the PM’s speech to say Cummings’ position is untenable. Incredible.
My MP too and also wrote to him earlier (first time since he got re-elected). I didn’t expect such a sharpish response and expected he’d use the bank hol to see which way the wind blew.
Who is this nugget that keeps telling everyone to sshhhh and calm down? Is it Rees Mogg’s nanny?
Nah the nanny already has a steady job.
Just someone trying to be picked up on the 'big data' radar as some kind of 'influencer'.
It matters not.
Dannyh, We can agree to disagree but cut out the insults and goading it spoils the thread👍
They’re both finished.
I don’t want to start counting my chickens, but if they do go - I’m straight out, dancing in the street!
It's increasingly looking like they're a package deal. PM unambiguously coupled his fate to Cummings today.
