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she just needed a copy of the draft manifesto she kept referring to in her Sky interview.
she did read out the figures at the end of the lbc interview
She didn't sound herself. She can usually not answer a question with the best of them.
Cant gt my head around why she wouldn't say "I have the figures in the manifesto let me get them"
Amber Rudd was on R4 this morn. Nick Robinson was SO chummy with her it was ridiculous.
It was the 5 minutes of making it up on the spot and then digging the manifesto out of her bag and flick to the relevant pages that made it excruciating. She would have done herself a favour by having it in front of her before she started.
She shouldn't be allowed in front of a mic imo.
[b][i][u]Her[/b][/i][/u] writing is quite good though.
and there I think we have the answer.
I doubt very much of her "quality" output has ever been written or even conceived of by her. She is a handy totem for the likes of Seamus Milne and McDonnell. When she's left to her own devices to run her own mouth the wheels inevitably fall off.
Get Milne and McDonell to publish their manifesto and be done with it.
It's been reported elsewhere that the average cost per police FTE is £94K - including on costs such as pensions, NI, injury payments and extra back office resources to support this.
So for 10K additional police we're looking at around £940m a year or close to £5B of extra spending under the next parliamentary term. So she was way off the true cost even using the "corrected" £300m figure by more than £1/2B a year.
Damn media bias asking trick questions such as "how would you pay for your latest proposal" ?
Today juay shiwed again how unprepared Labour are, Abbit is a major face if the party now and she didn't have the faintest idea how much 10,000 police cost.
Is Abbott the Labour answer to Boris but without the comedy?
Did she say she wasn't going to call an election and then forgot?
The most worrying thing was how wrong the figures she quoted were.
£300,000 cost of 10,000 new police? Then £80,000,000 cost of 10,000 police?Neither figure is anywhere near plausible and someone at that level should realise that long before they engage their mouths.
10,000 police? Don't you mean 250,000 police(men)?
Every time there's a Labour spending pledge, it makes me think of the Simpsons episode where Homer becomes Springfield Sanitation Commissioner on the back of wildly extravagant promises, and blows the entire annual budget in the first month.
From the Beeb.
Ms Abbott claimed she had got her facts right in other interviews and her credibility had not been damaged.
That's not really your assertion to make, love.
It has been damaged.
You'd be best to keep your trap shut for a bit and let someone else make a tit of themselves to distract the attention from you. You can rely on Boris.
police(men)?
[b][i]SEXIST! [/i][/b]
Natalie Bennett, of Green persuasion, had a similar car crash interview a couple of years ago. Pretty sure she simply held her hands up and said something like, "Crikey, that was dreadful. Sorry. "
Abbott should have done the same. Tired, lots of interviews, lost my train of thought, etc. But no....she "misspoke".
And yes, now she's the story. If only there had been some way to avoid that....
If I was a bit of a racist, I'd love a labour politician like Abbott to be on the radio every day.
I don't think this changes much.
Those that hate will continue to do so, those that like her will forgive (see above).
It's not like there's a shortage of embarrassment on the blue side...
Edit in fact how has the nurse/food bank thing gone quiet?
Not embarrassed that one of his Shadow Cabinet has failed to do basic preparation before a radio interview.
One of his shadow cabinet??!!?
When you recall that this is the woman he was (and maybe still is) nobbing, then his blind acceptance of anything she does seems less surprising.
As does her slavish support of a lame duck leader.
Pillow politics?
In defend of Diane Abbot I think people are expecting too much by asking her to do the calculation out of the blue.
If she has not prepared for that line of "interrogation" of course she would make the mistake.
I bet all politicians will now have all their numbers sorted ...
That line of question should be presented to Sturgeon and Timmy (Farron) for fun to see how they react ...
She wants to be in charge of the security and safety of everyone in the UK.
She shouldn't be in charge of anything more than a pair of clown shoes.
Luckily for them, the STW lodge of the Right Wing Nutjob brigade have May's excellent record as Home Secretary at which to point.
deadlydarcy - Member
Luckily for them, the STW lodge of the Right Wing Nutjob brigade have May's excellent record as Home Secretary at which to point.
You seek perfection and sainthood in politicians? 😆
Also, when hammering easy targets, if I were a bit of right wing nutjob with a bitty complex, I'd post some of Mummy's decisive and fact-filled answers to recent questions:
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deadlydarcy - Member
Also, when hammering easy targets, if I were a bit of right wing nutjob with a bitty complex, I'd post some of Mummy's decisive and fact-filled answers to recent questions:
That's an interview question? 😆
I think theres a question about the standard of person running a country attracts.
JC must still be banging her, the jammy git.
Labour are completely un-electable so we are left with probably 8 more years of Tory government without a credible opposition.
Don't be daft I read somewhere Tony Blair is starting a centre ground party
Misspoke! The lying idiot! Just put your hands up and admit you cocked it right up.
Stealing a living from the taxpayer that's all Abbott does.
The Tories must be pissing themselves laughing at this lot of bloody clowns.
I don't know about the accusations of racism or 'right wing nut job' that are being slung around, but Diane Abbott is in a high position in shadow government with aspirations to do it for real.
Of course she cannot be expected to have every exact and perfect figure in her head, that is not fair, nor realistic. However, there are two things that expose her as being a liability in this.
Firstly, the sheer wrongness of the figures she was spouting should have set some internal alarm bells ringing in her head. The figures were so stupidly and obviously wrong that a bit of sense should have stopped her making such a bollocks of the whole thing.
Secondly, a politician of her experience and standing should be cleverer than to pretend to know a load of figures when any reasonable person wouldn't expect her to know them by heart. Either she should have got her ducks in a row first figures-wise or she should be skilled enough by now to bluff her way out with some nice-sounding waffle. Either would have done in this case.
That she neither 'knew her shit' or was skillful enough to walk around the question makes her look incompetent.
To then assert that her own credibility has not been damaged is just laughable. I'll be the ****ing judge of whether I find her credible or not, thanks very much.
This always asking Labour politicians in interviews about how much their policies are going to cost...well, it's starting to grate with me a bit. It is the standing government who is taking a colossal gamble with our economy by leaving the EU (even if you believe we would ultimately be better off, it's still a huge risk). The fact that May has no clue about what lies ahead doesn't mean she should not be held to account and really give some proper answers.
The fact that May has no clue about what lies ahead doesn't mean she should not be held to account and really give some proper answers.
She doesn't have any answers (unless you count looking at Mummy's mouth moving, saying "strong and stable" a lot but saying little else as answering). She gave a pretty poor interview on Sunday morning. And then the FAZ leaks show her and Davies to be unprepared and amateurish. That is why Tories have spent the day talking about Diane Abbott.
chickenman - Member
The fact that May has no clue about [b]what lies ahead[/b] doesn't mean she should not be held to account and really give some proper answers.
Let me see into my crystal ball ... the EU bureaucrats and their system will collapse in this generation.
Therefore, PM May has all my support to leave EU.
So, no risk at all then Chewy?? I've always wondered how religion ever took off.....
That she neither 'knew her shit' or was skillful enough to walk around the question makes her look incompetent.
Odd isn't it, we want our politicians to be Humans like us, but skewer them when they have a brain fade (like y'know, humans)
That is why Tories have spent the day talking about Diane Abbott.
Yes, but they wouldn't have had the opportunity had she not been such a nitwit.
May gives a 'pretty poor' interview, but Abbott has a total mare and lets May off the hook. That's not too far from a textbook definition of a political liability.
It's not restricted to Labour, though, Amber Rudd is also a laughing stock and way out of her depth as well.
+1 dannyh.
I suspect everyone in the country who can roughly divide 300,000 by 10,000 in their head is thinking something similar.
chickenman - Member
So, no risk at all then Chewy?? I've always wondered how religion ever took off.....
There is no such thing as no risk in life.
I bet the police are pretty cheesed off with their options right now, the Tories or Diane Abbott!
Joking apart dannyh hit the nail on the head perfectly up there, she's incompetent.
Odd isn't it, we want our politicians to be Humans like us, but skewer them when they have a brain fade (like y'know, humans)
Not really. I work in a job where analytical work and insight is probably the most important thing and have, occasionally, ballsed stuff up and even more occasionally been called out on it. If it's my job to own figures and get things right, and I don't, then I expect to be 'skewered' appropriately. If it started to happen on a regular basis I would have a look at myself and ask if I am going about things the right way, or perhaps (in extremis) question my ability in the job.
It's not about hypocritical Puritanism, it's about expecting someone who aspires to one of the highest offices of state not to be a mathematical dunce. Also, to not try to brazen it out and assert that their own credibility hasn't been affected. Credibility is very much in the eye of the beholder and digging yourself in deeper trying to patronise the electorate deserves ridicule.
It's not restricted to Labour, though, Amber Rudd is also a laughing stock and way out of her depth as well.
This is plain for most to see. We're not talking about it much.
Look, I also think Abbott has been a liability for labour under Corbyn (forgetting how much of a liability the man himself is). I often wonder if she's actually not well mentally - she used to be quite good on this week and I don't remember her suffering the same kind of brain fades when she was younger. Mind you, perhaps she hasn't been in such prominent positions where she has to perform under pressure and has to be able to recall facts and figures "on the spot". Early on in the Corbyn era, her performances on QT were awful.
As long as she's there, she'll remain a popular figure for attack - and there are sinister as well as legitimate reasons for this. I think she'd do herself and her constituents a big favour by stepping down and going back to activism, being an MP and winding up middle aged white men.
Abbot & Corbyn are many times better than Timmy shouty shouty Farron (Timmaayyy). 😆
Also who has voted "Elton John" to be Labour Deputy? 😯
As long as she's there, she'll remain a popular figure for attack - and there are sinister as well as legitimate reasons for this. I think she'd do herself and her constituents a big favour by stepping down and going back to activism, being an MP and winding up middle aged white men.
Agree 100% with all of that. She shouldn't be there giving the Tories the ammo. Sadly the calibre of political discourse does seem to be erring towards just hoping the oppo make a bigger cock-up than you just have.
"she used to be quite good on this week"
I thought so too, perfectly capable.
She was dreadful on R4 this morning and got torn apart on the numbers then. I've had brain fade in presentations when I thought the case I was making was flawed. I suspect this was the same, she's well aware their numbers don't add up to a laughable degree and panic induced brainfade during interviews is not an unreasonable consequence.
Mind you, a decent political performer should be better and she's never been a minister and last time she held a serious Shadow role she was sacked after a couple of years so the Labour Party seems to have been pretty aware in the past that she wasn't up to it.
In my view brain fade during am interview is forgivable - but on R4 she just couldn't explain where the cash was coming from, that really was unforgivable.
This always asking Labour politicians in interviews about how much their policies are going to cost..
Exactly so hardly should have come as a surprise and she should have been prepared. As Dannyh says above if you did that poor performance in meetings at work your boss would be having serious words. Myself and colleagues spend a lot of time prepping for meetings and making sure we know the answers in advance. Why someone who wants to be at the top table in the country can't be bothered to do the same is going to get noticed and not in a good way.
Her and Corbyn's response after the event is so arrogant it's untrue. Fess up and move on, don't be a dick about it.
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Meanwhile:
The Tories dropped by 10 points in the polls in the first week of the campaign.
Probably more deserving of being the lead story on the ITN news wouldn't you think? It's almost as if there's some kind of agenda.
That is bad, but lets not pretend the tories are any more competent, hardly heard one mention a policy yet, it'll be in the manifesto. repeat....
I think it's fairly obvious we are run by clueless programmable(eventually) bots on all sides.
Quicker we do away with this form of democracy the better is the conclusion i'm coming to. It's just turning into vandalism. Party politics hums of shite.
I'd still rather have Abbott in charge than May and her cronies.