Forum menu
binners - Member
We are still allowed to bully ginger people though, aren't we?
Prime example
😯Had a storming argument with one of the young guys after he spat at a Chinese student lass who was wearing a Union Jack t-shirt!
Nothing so extreme here and i dont think there ever would be, but I want to make them see its the same thing doing it verbally
ononeorange - Member
I am genuinely quite astonished at the OP's comments - I thought this sort of nonsense had gone now, reading it and some of the comments above is really depressing.
I agree with the depressing bit but astonished by the astonished bit. All societies/groups discriminate against others. They have done in history, in the present, and will do in the future. People find different excuses for discrimination and the extent it becomes an XXX-ism is largely a matter of where boundaries are drawn. That is not an excuse by any means, rather an explanation of why I am surprised by your surprise. I have worked overseas and have been discriminated against due to my race/skin colour. In comparison, I think that in the UK we have come a long way (in absolute and relative terms) in addressing the issue, while never eradicating it.
I think edlong got it spot on right from the start. No need to inflame or stoop to their low levels. Good examples of simple, polite ways of addressing racism from the outset given in his post.
When I was an IT engineer I visited all manner of strange workplaces, I remember once visiting the warehouse operation of a large national food distribution company and witnessed first hand some really shocking racism directed at one of the operatives there. Even more shocking was the apparent expectation that I should 'join in', as if it was completely normal. It clearly was totally normal to these people.
I'd never seen anything like it before, nor have I since to be honest, and I get around a bit. It was an education!
I have no experience of this racisim growing up in Glasgow as I did..
when i was in my 20s i used to go out with an indian girl who had been adopted (she was an orphan) by a white single mum from the west of scotland.
she was absolutely lovely.
now in my 40s, and a number of times, working in several places i have heard the '****' word used in an offensive way, what i do is point out to the offender that i used to go out with an indian girl and tell them how nice she was.
without fail it stops them dead in their tracks.
joao3v16 - Member
Surely the ****stani guy was being xenophobic rather than racist? Seeing as "Polish" is a nationality, not a race.I did say you can't say that as that's what everyone probably thought about us when our lot moved here. But he said 'no that was different, we didn't smash up the houses, fight outside and have the police around all the time".
Personally I don't know if it was racism or not, but I did know it was wrong. The shoe was well and truly on the other foot.
BTW I think he referring to the noise and damage rather than it being about race. Unlike my Ghanian friends parents, they left the country because they didn't like the 'immigrants' at all. 😯
I got turned down for an interview once at a local company in Rochdale, I rung them in the summer holidays to see if there was any work going, the woman said yes there was asked my name, I told her and she quickly changed her tone and said there wasn't.
Before putting the phone down she commented on how funny it was hearing an asian with a Rochdale accent before she put the phone down. Imagined if I'd have got an interview, awkward or what?
I got turned down for an interview once at a local company in Rochdale, I rung them in the summer holidays to see if there was any work going, the woman said yes there was asked my name, I told her and she quickly changed her tone and said there wasn't.
Shame you didn't pursue it, they could (should) have been prosecuted. Still happening, there was a guy in the news a week or two ago, put his CV in for a job with, IIRC Virgin Atlantic (certainly some part of the Virgin empire), no response. Submitted exactly the same CV with a less "black" name and they rang him repeatedly to try and arrange an interview.
See also, access to services: trying to rent a flat with an "Asian" sounding name....
I recently finished working on a job that on a daily basis i heard black people called nigers , Indians called ****'s, Asian's always refered to a chinks.This i might add not just by English workers ,alot from eastern Europeans. Makes me feel more sad than angry. I might not have the best education but i was tought never to judge by the colour of skin or a persons faith. It is sad that in this day and age people still judge by colour. A shop keeper i was talking to not so long ago was having a right old rant about muslims wanting to build a mosque in his area, the shop keeper was a Hindu. Just goes to show there are dicks in every walk of life. Makes me worry for my kids sometimes. 🙁
I'm quite fortunate in that I set the tone in my company. I've told all senior managers that I will fire them on the spot if they are ever racist, and expect them to do the same. God help them if I find out they're covering for someone...
I'm quite fortunate in that I set the tone in my company. I've told all senior managers that I will fire them on the spot if they are ever racist, and expect them to do the same. God help them if I find out they're covering for someone...
From someone who aspires to joint the ranks of junior management. How would you deal with a person or persons who have deliberately played the "race card" either to gain an advantage over another employee in say the promotional ladder; or have been caught telling a lie in the shape of adding a racist element to a situation to get another member of staff into potentially very serious trouble ?
D.
Patriotpro's racist ****stani guy isn't being hypocritical. That's not a discussion about race and racism, it's about the meaning of the word "hypocritical"!
The strange thing is that most racists don't think they are racist. Maybe, straight talkers, maybe non-PC, maybe thinking thatbthey cannot be because they mean no harm. It's all about the intent they say. All kinds of strange excuses you here.
With apologies to Yes Minister, it's one of those irregular verbs:
I am a patriot
You are a nationalist
He is a racist
Thank God we have the internet otherwise if this discussion happened in person quite a few who've posted would be participating in mutual masturbation by now. Yuk. I much prefer STW when people disagree with each other.
deleted
Edit: Too tired and ill for the Internet. Have fun folks.
I am genuinely quite astonished at the OP's comments - I thought this sort of nonsense had gone now, reading it and some of the comments above is really depressing.
Sadly it hasn't. I've spent all my life, nearly, in the building trade and it's rife there. Lots of racist 'jokes' which make me squirm, but every time I say, "I don't find that sort of thing funny" or similar. You can't just let it drop IMO.
humour is undoubtedly the most effective way to tackle 'racism' if possible. Trouble is you sometimes find that its too far gone to use that, so less subtle methods are needed.
All work places have their own social dynamic, when bullies/racists have become emboldened , and feel free to act overtly the problem is serious.
Challenge it though you must, even at the risk of being isolated, you can hold your head high, the majority of people want a quite life so tend to not get 'involved' , but unless you are working in a BNP/EDL cell you will have support.
Initially it may feel you against the world im there, but you know that you have justice, equality and liberty on your side-- be brave , the employer may come down on you as the troublemaker, try and keep a log, notes etc, i take it its not a unionised place-- if you are not already,you should join a trade union that is relevant and seek help and advice from them---unless you are unlucky , most rank and file trade unionists are progressive folk, who are used to standing above the parapet.
Good luck in your fight, it may seem daunting, but you will be empowered.
enfht - Member
Thank God we have the internet otherwise if this discussion happened in person quite a few who've posted would be participating in mutual masturbation by now. Yuk. I much prefer STW when people disagree with each other.POSTED 15 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
They'd have cap ends like blood oranges !
Casual racism (bizarre term) is alive and well in the sticks. Group of couples we know in the village blacked up to go to a party, they could not understand why Mrs Cat & I were appalled at the idea and were refusing to entertain joining in "for a laugh". Sometimes drinking in a couple of the local pubs can be like being trapped inside Bernard Manning's head.
Sadly it hasn't. I've spent all my life, nearly, in the building trade and it's rife there. Lots of racist 'jokes' which make me squirm, but every time I say, "I don't find that sort of thing funny" or similar. You can't just let it drop IMO.
same as , but always take them on, they are mostly just ignorant, not malicious --the real baddies are few and far between, but casual racism if unchecked allows it to become normalised, which is a very dangerous situation. Thankfully, i do beleive we are getting better in this country, despite pockets and enclaves of ignorance and prejudice remaining-- they are in the decline , but vigilance is always needed !
Others on here may have experienced this but I am mixed race but look white to most - that brings about some interesting situations! The speed at which some people try and backpedal can be very high...
Davesport, actually a very difficult subject, however deliberately telling lies if any kind to get another employee in trouble is, in my book gross misconduct. However, the problem you have is how to prove it one way or the other. Witnesses? Likely hood? Character? Very hard to prove. However, it should be equally hard to prove that racism happened without the witnesses etc.
if the decision has already been made, then what evidence was used? If yoire outside of the appeal window ( normally 5 days) then it gets Ben more tricky and in effect, it's a grievance against the person who lied.
Edit: you said caught already, then it should be a lot easier. Playing the race card to gain an advantage is racism...
How would you deal with a person or persons who have deliberately played the "race card" either to gain an advantage over another employee in say the promotional ladder;
take the person accused of racism out one night and get them p1ssed, and then make some casually racist remarks and see how they react. If they really are racist they will find it hard to hid it when in that state.
or be subversive and screw with their minds; start with convincing stories that "muslims" ( i know not a race but the casual racist is not so discerning) have been breeding and letting into the food chain in the UK, special pigs with female hormones from birth control pills. It won't effect them because they don't eat pig. It's all a cunning plan to make burly english tradesman grow tits, get smaller willies and become so weak that they can't satisfy their women folk or do manual work. The first stage of the subtle invasion will be underway!
so you've ruined their fry ups and english breakfast, next start on ciggies...You saw something on newsnight that said that every time a tabacco leaf is picked, the DNA from the pickers hand in transferred to the leaf and eventually into the lung of the smoker! Studies have proven that all white smokers are now at least 2% genetically "****"
you can play with this stuff for ages...I had once racist bloke I worked with so worried that he had basically become a vegan, non smoking, recluse, convinced that he was slowly turning into a genetic "ethnic" with boobs to come. He did stop being such a vocally racist tit as well which was nice...
Tazzy actually you may be right they would mess with our bacon wouldn't they, makes a lot of sense.............
Starting this thread has reminded me when i was a junior at a photo lab in 1981, i remember the manager at the time going around the place openly asking people if they minded working with a black man, as one had applied for the job and was well qualified, someone must of objected as he didn't get the job!
Maybe we have moved on, albeit a little.
it disappoints me to hear such attitudes still exist but to be honest it doesn't surprise me. whether its casual/covert/overt racism, a great deal of it is due to ignorance and a distinct lack of knowledge. these attitudes are passed down from generation to generation and seen as acceptable as it is never challenged.
everideit - i know the feeling regarding the job in rochdale...reminds me of a similar job i applied for a few miles down the road...they interviewed me and gave me a tour of the factory before offering me the job...they then rang me later that day to rescind the job offer on some cockahoop excuse that working there would not be conducive to my health...
trouble is racism is now being mixed with religious hatred due to recent events and all this is doing is fueling the fires and giving groups such as the bnp and edl more fodder to feed to those who wish to buy into their attitudes.
it disappoints me to hear such attitudes still exist but to be honest it doesn't surprise me. whether its casual/covert/overt racism, a great deal of it is due to ignorance and a distinct lack of knowledge. these attitudes are passed down from generation to generation and seen as acceptable as it is never challenged.
everideit - i know the feeling regarding the job in rochdale...reminds me of a similar job i applied for a few miles down the road...they interviewed me and gave me a tour of the factory before offering me the job...they then rang me later that day to rescind the job offer on some cockahoop excuse that working there would not be conducive to my health...
trouble is racism is now being mixed with religious hatred due to recent events and all this is doing is fueling the fires and giving groups such as the bnp and edl more fodder to feed to those who wish to buy into their attitudes.
whoops - double post!!
joao3v16 - Member
Surely the ****stani guy was being xenophobic rather than racist? Seeing as "Polish" is a nationality, not a race.Where was Polish mentioned in the text I quoted? It was Eastern Europeans wasn't it?
The job center were trying to send a black gentleman (that phrase seems to have added meaning now with Louis Lester on that tv show...) to work where my wife worked.
They objected and he didn't get the job.
But that was because it was a bridal shop!
NSFW!!
The job center were trying to send a black gentleman (that phrase seems to have added meaning now with Louis Lester on that tv show...) to work where my wife worked.They objected and he didn't get the job.
But that was because it was a bridal shop!
And they got away with that??
I met a woman in a bar who believed there were signs the world was coming to an end largely because of the mixing of the races. Racial mixing being against the will of god. There was also a person of African origin at the table while she was expounding her theories.
This was rural Missouri though and I was the lone tourist at a table of locals. Interesting experience to say the least.