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An Elise S2 is still on my short list. I looked at loads but if I'd bought one we would have been stuck with the Panda as a daily and we were both totally over it. It seemed daft to suffer on a daily basis just to have an occasional car in the garage.
Maybe when we switch the Fiesta for something bigger I'll look again. Until then I'll just maximise lift off over steer while giggling like an idiot. I might take it to one of the charity tracks days at Blyton park.
Yes, guilty of about to spend £33500 on a Toyota Yaris
Enjoy it mate, it'll be immense. Can't wait to blag a passenger ride in one.
They just wanted to go rallying in a more dedicated car rather than a modified shopping trolley.
2022 will see space frame chassis for the WRC, so the chassis of a road car won't mean squat.
DO IT. By all accounts the GR is exceptional. Will it be Evo's car of the year I wonder. Chris Harris's verdict will be out shortly too I believe. I would if I could, which I can't coz I is broke. Second hand market for these could be interesting in 5years..but may well hold their rarity value very well. Last chance before relegated to white goods milk floats.
Cost of fiesta's have increases as they've become a more premium car now. as other entrants ha e come into the market like Kia and Ssanyong etc, they are positioned lower than the fiesta. This has meant Ford has upped the premium on the fiesta...it is a much better car than it used to be, more nicely trimmed, more gadgets, more choice etc. Same with Golf and the lower positioned Skoda and Seat brands. The market has fragmented with established brands and models becoming more premium and new entrants being more budget.
Just bog standard text book market development.
2022 will see space frame chassis for the WRC, so the chassis of a road car won’t mean squat
They never use the chassis of a road car they're already full tubular space frames with a mile of suspension travel. The problem is you can't change the shape of the exterior shell. You're also not allowed to fit aero to rear doors which is the reason Tommi Makinen wanted a 3 door shell. If Toyota just welded the rear doors shut and chopped the roof down by 100mm they'd get disqualified.
Very nice car, love the colour. I'm only mildly jealous as I've just sold my ep3 Type R and now drive a Skoda 🙁
They never use the chassis of a road car they’re already full tubular space frames with a mile of suspension travel. The problem is you can’t change the shape of the exterior shell. You’re also not allowed to fit aero to rear doors which is the reason Tommi Makinen wanted a 3 door shell. If Toyota just welded the rear doors shut and chopped the roof down by 100mm they’d get disqualified.
Sort of. It is a production chassis with a roll cage installed and new turrets, but they are within a window of the original.
I used to prepare/fabricate the WRC Fiesta shells.
The yaris looks a lot of fun.
The issue I have with cars like the st and the gr however is that for 95% of the driving you do their potential is utter wasted and, barring a few gadgets and gizmos, and nicer seats, you would be as well off sitting in the equally cramped and not particularly comfortable base model (and before anyone says it I appreciate the yaris has been designed from ground up, but point still stands).
^^ But that isn't the point of them. The point of them is to have a car you just love to get into. One that puts a smile on your face as you press the start button and hear the engine roar into life. One that you sometimes get to open up a bit and have a bit of fun in. One that you turn around and look at when you park it up.
Sharkattack, my sister has an S2 it's not been driven for 15 years, I've tried to buy it off her but she's avin non of it.
That's a tragedy which I can relate to. My step dad has a Miami blue, 1.9, 205 GTi in the garage and I'm not allowed to touch it.
It hasn't moved for at least 15 years, probably more. He has no plans for it and will never do anything with it but won't sell it and he won't let me bring it back to life.
It's just sitting there full to the roof with junk. It's infuriating.
Shocking mate, should legislation against that kind of behaviour 😁
The issue I have with cars like the st and the gr however is that for 95% of the driving you do their potential is utter wasted
Not if you live up the superior Northern end of the country, with some of the countries best driving roads on your doorstep, which if timed carefully can be nearly deserted...
Not if you live up the superior Northern end of the country, with some of the countries best driving roads on your doorstep, which if timed carefully can be nearly deserted…
Same for me - lots of fast & empty roads 🙂
The issue I have with cars like the st and the gr however is that for 95% of the driving you do their potential is utter wasted
Bloody hell it's a small hatchback not an actual rallycross car or a 600bhp Lambo.
you would be as well off sitting in the equally cramped and not particularly comfortable base model
But then you'd have a car that is enjoyable 0% of the time rather than occasionally brilliant. There's plenty of opportunity to unleash 200bhp in a small car without ending up in prison. That's why people buy them in huge numbers.
Not if you live up the superior Northern end of the country, with some of the countries best driving roads on your doorstep, which if timed carefully can be nearly deserted
Yep. It's very easy for me to go out and avoid all the humans for a few hours. I imagine it'll be the new highlight of visiting family up in the wilderness but we haven't been up there yet.
Around 200bhp is perfect IMO, I've been in faster and more capable cars but they're too much for windy British roads. The fun of driving is in the corners, not hitting 170mph on a motorway.
The people having the most fun at trackdays are usually the people in the slowest car
The people having the most fun at trackdays are usually the people in the slowest car
I can agree with that - driving an Exige around Silverstone and overtaking Ferarris was fun. Yes, they are quicker (in the right hands) but bunging a little car with a powerful engine into flat corners is much easier 😹
But then you’d have a car that is enjoyable 0% of the time rather than occasionally brilliant.
Yep...I wouldn't buy the base model either! I'd probably buy something that I enjoyed sitting in for the majority of the driving I did, and accept it would be slightly compromised from a performance perspective. But that's just me, clearly thousands of folks would rather have the hot hatch.
But that isn’t the point of them. The point of them is to have a car you just love to get into. One that puts a smile on your face as you press the start button and hear the engine roar into life. One that you sometimes get to open up a bit and have a bit of fun in. One that you turn around and look at when you park
You see for me, other than the fun to drive bit, a hot hatch doesn't tick any of those boxes. A hot hatch still looks like the standard car albeit with a bright paint job usually , nor do they sound particularly great due to not particularly big engines. I use to have one back in the day (an ibiza cupra r in bright yellow), it was a fun wee car but didn't make me smile every time I sat in it or turned the engine on
The car I now have I think does tick the boxes above, it's fast, sounds great due to a big engine, and doesn't look like the my nan's car either. But the same criticism still applies, it's kinda pointless for 95% of the driving I do and the novelty of the perfomance soon wore off.
I obviously didn't think that way about it when I bought it, but now I'm old and grumpy, and certainly would buy it again...So much so that i bought an old estate for the vast majority of the driving I do.
Just to be clear though, I'm not arguing the likes of an ST isn't a cracking wee car..it is..its just not what I'd spend my money on anymore
Second hand from a dealer, and they still have to give you 6 months warranty,
😂 they really don’t!