Without the insight of most of the posters in this thread, I'd say we're screwed 😆
I work in the private sector but my OH is employed by a constabulary so I get most of what is said here.
My own experience of people working in the services and forces is that 90% do it for the pleasure of helping others and the passion for the role drives them forwards.
Nowadays the government seems to be beating this out of people hence the bad taste and people leaving in droves.
Drac, 42k is a fair bit of money - but nowhere near what your job description suggests. In a private company with that much responsibility you'd likely be on 10k more at the very least without working your life away every hour god sends.
I suspect your one who is passionate and caring about his role because as an 'outsider' if you like there is no way I'd go anywhere near that workload for the money.
Drac, 42k is a fair bit of money - but nowhere near what your job description suggests. In a private company with that much responsibility you'd likely be on 10k more at the very least without working your life away every hour god sends.
It is I'd never argue that, it's actually £34.5k a year with a 25% shifts enhancement so if it was anything between the hours of 8am and 6pm without weekends I'd get £34.5k. Yes I'd say £50k+ would be about the right figure for private working 9-5, weekends off and no bank holidays with Xmas at home.
I suspect your one who is passionate and caring about his role because as an 'outsider' if you like there is no way I'd go anywhere near that workload for the money.
Those that don't have compassion or care tend to be well, miserable git the biggest complainers and shirkers. They also tend to be the ones that leave as they think they get better elsewhere. Often they come back but that's becoming a less likely now.
Certainly there's those that come into the job having seen TV hype the role up without seeing the reality. The team behind 24hrs in A&E and Keeping Britain Alive have shown the reality it'd be great if they did a show just on the Ambulance service so the public could see what we deal with daily.
It's a great job though. Last week I helped a young family bring their latest edition into the world, made sure the baby was Ok then made sure the mother wasn't going to bleed out due to complications. Assuring Dad they'd fine with me whilst explaining the very real risks is nerving but rewarding. Having them shake your hand and the mother crying as "You're so kind" makes you feel proud. Treating those who are seriously ill keeping them alive or even making them feel well again, having them thank you the relatives astounded that they look so well, getting your diagnoses and treatment right is a feeling you just can't describe.
But of course I do it for my gold plated pension, mass amount of holidays and because I can retire early (68 currently) is why I really do it.
P.S. Is it ****.
Similar job responsibilities to Drac but paid £9k less. 😐
hey ho only another 5 1/2 yrs to do at most.
No shift allowances paid here.
Lucky bru ive an extra 8 yrs to do 🙁
Similar job responsibilities to Drac but paid £9k less.
Let's not go there ay. 😀
hey ho only another 5 1/2 yrs to do at most.
25 in and 27 to go.
Let's not go there ay
why's that then? You really do seem to have an issue with the FS, or it is something taught to all ambo's at ambo school. I doubt you have any idea about [b]my[/b] job and [b]my[/b] responsibility on the station and at incidents.
But as you say "let's not go there"
14 hr day for me..today.
I'm a Paramedic Practitioner. Similar wage to Drac. 3 years Uni and 2 years post grad.
One hell of a job being a frontline Paramedic these days... Especially the lone working aspect. At times I feel overwhelmed by the amount of work I will need to do at an incident.
Take today
An elderly lady dropped sharp object on her foot... By the time I'd driven there on blue lights, gained entry with all my bags...stopped the bleeding and reassured her. Then started to clean her blood filled house as best as I could, made her a brew, complete set of observations..and sutured the wound it was an hour and a half.
It's then paperwork, calls to her family/ carers/ GP and setting up a community care package, antibiotics and analgesia.
Then off to the next job... And repeat 10 times!!
why's that then? You really do seem to have an issue with the FS, or it is something taught to all ambo's at ambo school. I doubt you have any idea about my job and my responsibility on the station and at incidents.
Hey Ho! It was a joke.
You're right, I know I have only a little knowledge of your role same as you have very little of mine but that's why we're now doing JESIP.
Our service is looking at creating Practitioners roles too Brack, it's a role I'm tempted to go for.
You need to come south a little bit Mr Drac... Genourous relocation packages, recent recruitment for band 7 ECP's, big uplift of band 6 PP's and a generous relocation package/bribe!
YAS, it's like NEAS only we get issued flat caps!
Seen those posts advertised a few weeks back jimbobo I've got all the requirements they were after already. It was tempting but means up lifting the family and property in the Dales was more than Northumberland so too costly.
Also I'm a bit put off with YAS upheaval just now.
construction industry here (large plc - around 45,000 staff)
most are sick of no pay increases for years x poor pension x crappy benefits x six month contracts = poor morale / no loyalty and poor performance - its not exactly rocket science
admin, engineers and site managers been leaving en mass all year - mainly to competitors for silly 20-25% pay increases
management hands tied by senior executives policies (usually too late to offer an improved package)
the senior executive team - know that market place is improving, yet no pay increases or recruitment, jst appear happy with the reducing overheads
and keep introducing 'enhanced reward schemes' for loyality i.e. money off vouchers/buy more holiday schemes etc- but staff don't want 10% off vouchers for a trip to legoland ffs or buy an extra 2 weeks off on leave - that doesn't pay their mortgage
as for the major clients - increasingly want more for absolutely nothing
Oh and the it's not £27k starting wage for Paramedics.Band 5
Point 16 21,478
Point 17 22,016
Point 18 22,903
Point 19 23,825
Point 20 24,799
Point 21 25,783
Point 22 26,822
Point 23 27,901
*stands corrected*
£3k pay increase in 10 years? Where do I sign? 🙂
Knowing what Drac and others in 'command' have to do/are responsible (the stuff Drac mentioned the public don't know) for I have no idea how you can fit it all in (and stw modding)
£3k pay increase in 10 years? Where do I sign?
It's not automatic.
It's not automatic.
It's not meant to be automatic no, but in many services it is.
We get ours annually no matter what we do or don't do 😯
They've just opened up a new Band 6 'Senior Paramedic' position which you can get with 2 years experience. They're looking to move 500 or so people up to the position. No real benefit for the service or the public from what I can see but they're hoping it'll help staff retention.
So retaining staff doesnt help the service or the public
I've been working for the NHS for a year now, after +25 years in the private sector.
Words fail me to describe just how bad an organisation it is to work for. The best I can manage is:
"the pay is poor, but many are paid too much"
Worse part is that while it is the countries' largest employer it actually operates in a federated way - consequentially it has all the costs but takes none of the advantages.
And everything is 'lastminute.com', most senior Managers I've met can't even spell 'strategy', never mind understand it.
Obviously it also has the usual public sector problem of the 'Exec' constantly moving the goalposts and pandering to public 'demand' and their own 'ideas'...
So retaining staff doesnt help the service or the public
All its achieving is to give staff who weren't planning on leaving more money, the ones who are or were planning on leaving still will.
It's not right to essentially give people more money for no more skills or responsibility in the name of staff retention. It just adds more to the wage bill for no real benefit.
Your post makes no sense, so it doesnt retain staff then?
But the you say
It's not right to essentially give people more money for no more skills or responsibility in the name of staff retention. It just adds more to the wage bill for no real benefit.
can you not see how staff retention helps? Seriously?
br its the same in teaching and the federated bit is made even worse by most secondary schools now being academies so acting on their own. Its a complete mess.
It's not right to essentially give people more money for no more skills or responsibility in the name of staff retention. It just adds more to the wage bill for no real benefit.
The NHS is very good as doing the opposite though, giving staff more skills and responsibility for no more money. The result, they nash off elsewhere for more money meaning the employer now has to retrain new staff and pay for vacancies to be filled with overtime. Adds more to the wage bill with absolutely no benefit.
Annual leave is pretty much the same as every job, in fact it's based on the recommended government levels, you get more for years service but we don't get bank holidays off, Christmas or New Year so that's how we gain a bit 'extra' holidays. 30% Pension? I **** wish......
Interesting. From what you describe, here in the engineering consultancy sector someone with your level of responsibility and experience would probably be on 50-60k basic, with a profit share adding up to 10% of salary and a pension worth about another 10-12%. I really get sick of the 'public sector has it easy' myth. I have one colleague who waltzes in at 9.30, has multiple coffee and fag breaks, a whole hour for lunch and then disappears at 5.30, yet he constantly moans in a daily mail fashion about how inefficient the public sector is and how lazy the staff are. If only there was a 'job-swap' scheme that idiots like this could be sent on as he wouldn't last 5 minutes in my Mrs' public sector job.
Dazh I'm sad to say there's position exist like his in the public sector too but it's rarely frontline staff.
Interesting. From what you describe, here in the engineering consultancy sector someone with your level of responsibility and experience would probably be on 50-60k basic, with a profit share adding up to 10% of salary and a pension worth about another 10-12%
10%-12% Pension? And they call mine gold plated.
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10%-12% Pension? And they call mine gold plated.
Presumably yours is a final salary, index linked pension though ? Unlike a "money purchase" thing where a crappy annuity has to be purchased.
can you not see how staff retention helps? Seriously?
Of course I can see how staff retention helps, I just can't see the point in bringing in a scheme which tries to retain staff who were never going to leave while the ones who wanted to leave still want to and still will.
10%-12% Pension? And they call mine gold plated.
Yup. Our pension is 6% employee contribution with 12% from the employer. To be fair this is a lot more than most private sector firms but we used to have a generous final salary scheme which was abolished a few years ago so they had to sweeten the deal with a generous defined contributions based pension.
crappy annuity has to be purchased
No longer the case as of last year when Gideon gave pensioners the option of spending their pension pot as they pleased. Probably the only thing he's ever done that I've agreed with.
Presumably yours is a final salary, index linked pension though ?
Not any more no.
[quote=Drac said]Presumably yours is a final salary, index linked pension though ?
Not any more no.
Final salary though ?
I'm in the local government pension scheme, it's not been final salary for a while now. This seems to surprise most people. I don't know anyone in the public sector who has a final salary scheme but I do know a few people in the private sector.
is it this ?
"The LGPS in England and Wales changed on the 1 April 2014. It is now a career average scheme for benefits built up from 1 April 2014. "
http://www.lgps2014.org/content/whats-different
"All pensions in payment or built up before April 2014 will be protected. If you are currently in receipt of a pension or have left with a deferred pension these changes do not affect you. If you are currently a contributing scheme member your pre-April 2014 pension will still be based on final salary when you leave and the current Normal Pension Age."
no, ours changed to career average in 2008, now all members are career average regardless of scheme (LGPS is a number of amalgamated smaller schemes). The period paid in prior to this is protected.
They got rid of the lump sum at retirement too.
It's better than most but it's not the gold plated gravy train the Daily Mail would have you believe.
Final salary though ?
Nope got abolished only those with a few years left get it. I've paid in for 25 years but as I've got now 27 years left, as I've got to work longer now too.
It's better than most but it's not the gold plated gravy train the Daily Mail would have you believe.
Yup still good but not what I've paid for the last 25 years which is what's frustrating.
I've counted 16 have left our two local stations this last year .
3 have handed their notice this week !!!!
I can't keep up with all the leaving do's.
