I've heard the biggest easy win for most is to change bank to one that invests more wisely.
I can actually believe this.
Has anyone read Charles Eisenstein's Sacred Economics?
Do people think the change to low carbon living will happen sufficiently quickly before the majority of people conclude that we're royally f@cked regardless and changes become even harder to implement ?
If you've got the cash, Solar panels and battery storage ( saves you money too, in the not too distant future).
Composter in your garden.
Walk or cycle whenever you can.
Eat as little red meat as poss.
Don't have kids. Not a popular option, but effective!
Slightly easier - stop driving/sell your car + stop flying.
Agree on the Agri policies. Growing maize to feed cows, to drink milk at below cost price is insane. The Welsh govt have made a stab at implementing some more sustainable policies and farmers are very un-happy, so it probably strikes the right balance!
Marcus - I believe its too late now for anything to alter the coming collapse significantly but even so measures taken now could and will make a difference in how severe the collapse is. We have hit the tipping point
Ban internal UK flights where other modes of transport are available and relatively practical.
ie being able to get an aircraft from London to Edinburgh is just crazy
Stop commuting > 1.5hrs from place of residence to work.
Since the industrial the only thing that actually lowered the global emissions by any significant degree was the covid pandemic.
We need more of them!
Ermmm, do vegan and vegetarian foods use a different transport method to get to the supermarkets I’m not aware of, or do they arrive on the back of the same big effing juggernaut that my steak does??
Ignoring* the fact that the environmental impact of your steak is in it's production not just it's transport. Yes it does. Lamb comes in freezer containers all the way from NZ, fresh meat has had to go around the country in livestock trailers, then back again in refrigerated trailers. Processes meat makes a few other stops along the way as well.
Compare that to a bag of dried lentils.
A stark example is milk, fresh milk needs refrigeration and complex logistics, just like meat to keep it fresh. UHT milk is exactly the same product, except it doesn't need that (a bit like the lentils) except it generally costs half as much because it comes on the cheap lorry.
*if you don't want to ignore it, then cattle feed accounts for 80% of UK soy imports. Yep, your "grass fed British beef" actually spent a lot of it's life indoors and the grass was more like a side salad for the imported soy main course.
Stop making magazines few people will actually read.
It’s a travesty that the U.K. is wasting some of the best sites in the world to exploit tidal power.
The problem is they are also some of the best sites in the area for wildlife.
and therein lies the dilemma. Clean energy that will protect the whole planet but destroy a habitat. Tough choices
Destroy a habitat? Central London was a habitat one time as well.
If global warming is a coming disaster and tidal power would help stop it it's an easy choice.
Buy stuff MADE in Britain - not just badged up with a fake Union jack logo made in the far east.
Drive the most fuel efficient car I've ever owned ( 2 litre diesel, but still uses a whole lot less than anything I've had before).
Run a car until it dies at V high mileage - there is SOOOOO much CO2 emitted in making a car (and even more in a EV !) that scrapping early is dumb and will not be offset by making a new EV.
Need to start generating Hydrogen from all the wind turbines are that are stopped at night. (It's ludicrous they get paid hundreds of millions of ££ compensation to purposely put the brakes on and NOT generate from wind turbines at night when demand is low). Then use it to generate electricity when there's a peak. Or build half a dozen more 'electric mountain' pumped storage generators.
Clean energy that will protect the whole planet but destroy a habitat
tidal flow is much less damaging to wildlife than barrages. climate change is already destroying habitats. tidal will work well for Scotland. Not much good for central African republic 🙂
other easy wins - stop all forms of bike racing (both MTB and Road), that would make a massive difference in itself.
Ban people put bikes in cars to take them somewhere else to ride. Never understood this !
I drive to ride because the riding on my doorstep involves roads and bridleways, not much fun for me.
But this is where those with hobbies need to not do their hobbies for a chance of preventing the wipeout of countless species. On an extreme level, anything that isn't a necessity doesn't need to exist, so stop consuming the fun things and focus on doing the good things.
2 friends have older children (still at home), that put their clothes and towels in the wash after one use. 1st friend hangs the items back up. 2nd friend doesn’t do anything.
stop washing fairly clean clothes and towels and even bedding. Then dry them outside if possible.
Need to start generating Hydrogen from all the wind turbines are that are stopped at night.
Major problems with storage and distribution
I agree there is if you want to run your car off it. Much less so if it's used to generate electricity- site the storage cylinders and the turbine generator close to where the electricity cables already come ashore. Then the output of the generator is just plumbed immediatelt right into where the wind electricity goes. Same distribution as the wind electricity already there.
Store it as a gas it takes huge volumes. To liquify it means chilling to very low temps. Large amounts hydrogen are nasty and explosive.
For sure its a good idea and tbe Unst project has been doing this on a small scale for years. I dont think the tech is available to do this on a karge scale. Imo hydrogen is a good bet for energy storage but its the future not now
Yep, your “grass fed British beef” actually spent a lot of it’s life indoors
I'd like to know where these get raised as I spend a lot of time in the UK countryside and I see a hell of a lot of cows in fields and very few in sheds. In the US countryside it's the other way round - huge barns full of cows all the time.
Much less so if it’s used to generate electricity- site the storage cylinders and the turbine generator close to where the electricity cables already come ashore
I suspect other means of storage are easier to deal with.
Much less so if it’s used to generate electricity
So robertajobb what you say is generate wind powered electricity at night to inefficiently make hydrogen to inefficiently store to inefficiently make back into electricity? Basically, a very very inefficient battery?
Alternative electricity storage methods already exist which are expensive and/or inefficient but way better than storing electricity as hydrogen.
Large amounts hydrogen are nasty and explosive.
No more so than petrol or natural gas or lots of other flammable fluids we have stored for years.
Store it as a gas it takes huge volumes. To liquify it means chilling to very low temps.
This is the real problem, physics not safety.
I suspect other means of storage are easier to deal with.
Basically, a very very inefficient battery?
Depends on the site and use case though, yes? Plenty of coastal sites where storing hydrogen could make sense for high peak demand of local industry (anything metal related springs to mind), as well as for shifting supply to the grid for domestic use at energy generation sites where other storage might not be viable.
Lamb comes in freezer containers all the way from NZ
yet it’s cheaper to buy than lamb produced 100 miles away. How does that make sense. Is the British lamb industry that much more inefficient than the NZ one
If global warming is a coming disaster and tidal power would help stop it it’s an easy choice.
Uet the scheme in the Severn estuary, one of the best sites in the world, was blocked because of the impact on the birds that stop there on their migration routes.
Ban people put bikes in cars to take them somewhere else to ride
I could do this but then I would have to move house to ride bs then drive to work 5 days a week instead. We seriously considered this but realised it better to Iive near work and travel to ride than the other way round. Work and mtb can’t be done from the same place in the vast majority of people’s cases.
Being facetious, design a virus that wipes out 50% of the world population? Being serious though, energy efficiency is the biggest win out there. Invest in either getting people into modern, very well insulated homes or insulate what they have, invest in a mass public transport system that actually works, heavily tax international shipment of consumables so we actually use local production. However, we still need wind, hydrogen, carbon capture, nuclear gas instead of coal.
We've left it too late, had too many children worldwide, and really not thought about what we are doing, even though climate science has been telling us all of this for at least 40 years.
the move to power everything with (locally produced) electricity will go a reasonable. apparently 40% of all global shipping is carrying fuels from one place to another – removing that will drop our overall co2 output nicely
Another reason to move to solar/wind/storage, heat pumps and EVs.
science has been telling us all of this for at least 40 years
Just don't look up.
Being facetious, design a virus that wipes out 50% of the world population?
even the 5% or whatever Covid was supposed to be could have a huge effect.
It’s that little bit of growth that means we are in constant need of new houses, new roads, new power stations etc, a constant or slightly declining population means we would be much better able to use what we have already.
I could do this but then I would have to move house to ride bs then drive to work 5 days a week instead. We seriously considered this but realised it better to Iive near work and travel to ride than the other way round. Work and mtb can’t be done from the same place in the vast majority of people’s cases.
This made me chuckle a little bit. The achingly obvious elephant in that paragraph was the alternative choice - find a hobby you can do without travelling. It's just a hobby. I'm no better. The problem is we are all inherently selfish. It's kind of the opposite of marginal gains - we all do a little bit of bad shit because, well, we like it and we only live once and all that, and all those little shits add up to a sizable turd mountain.
And to answer the question - scale back our 1st world entitlement.
- We don't need to eat meat
- We don't need a foreign holiday that you need to fly to.
- You don't need a new smartphone every couple of years.
- We don't need to eat so much food
- We don't need to eat so much food that needs refrigerating whilst it travels, sits in shops waiting to be bought and in our fridges waiting to be eaten.
- We don't need to have so much choice of food in the house we throw so much of it away.
- We don't need to fly half the way around the globe for a business meeting.
Basically it'd really help if we (and by we I mean the 1st world middle class) were able to have a word with ourselves and stop being such entitled bell ends.
All the talk of sustainable power sources and transport etc is great and needed but it does rather mask the twin issue of MORE. If we all focussed on using a bit less....of everything....it would flipping help too.
Slightly easier – stop driving/sell your car + stop flying.
If you sell your car then someone else drives it instead. Keep the car that way you can not drive it and nobody else can either
So robertajobb what you say is generate wind powered electricity at night to inefficiently make hydrogen to inefficiently store to inefficiently make back into electricity? Basically, a very very inefficient battery?
At present it's not just inefficient, it's actually in the negative! We get zero energy for hundreds of millions of £££ paid out.
Even if it's 50% efficient to make the H2, then 50% efficient to turn back to E, then 25/0 is still infinitely more efficient than the current status of 0 output for hundreds of millions payout.
Only drive vehicles with small eco friendly engines.
Less emissions.
Less racing/dangerous acceleration.
Less fuel used.
I’d like to know where these get raised as I spend a lot of time in the UK countryside and I see a hell of a lot of cows in fields and very few in sheds.
A lot of more intensive lowland farms will tend to keep them in sheds over the winter and not put them out untill spring. The grass isn't growing so they need feed regardless, and more than a few cows will churn up the ground and make a mess.
Same for small upland farms where the pasture is just too exposed.
Keeping them outside means:
- higher metabolisms in the cold means more feed and higher costs.
- damage to the soil
- hoof issues (Foul, thrush, foot rot, soft hooves)
- time and effort
Some will be out all winter, but if a pasture can support 100 in summer and 20 in winter, it's only sensible and profitable to keep the remainder indoors.
- Electrify your life. Heating. Cooking. Transport.
- Reduce red meat and dairy. Don't have to eliminate, but limit.
- Communicate. Let your MP, Councillors, Parish, colleagues, mates, all know that CC is real and that we need to transform our whole system - electrification, circularity etc.
Lots of smaller things of course, but if you do those three it is awesome progress and everything else is diminishing returns.
If you want to go beyond that, look here: https://drawdown.org/insights/tedxboston-the-drawdown-roadmap
Robertajobb - you have totally missed my main point: Alternative electricity storage methods already exist which are expensive and/or inefficient but way better than storing electricity as hydrogen
So instead of using a silly inefficient hydrogen “battery” we should spend our money on proven more efficient methods.
Invite aliens to destroy humankind. Fingers crossed they leave.
Ban people put bikes in cars to take them somewhere else to ride. Never understood this !
Come live in Thanet for a few years.
Always amazed at threads like this
Not one idea here is either likely or feasible or will ever happen so why do folk fret and frenzy that the whole world doesn’t realise that they’re right and the world is wrong ?
Why not just try and live a good life and die knowing that you did what you felt was right ?
Hating the world won’t change it.
Yeah but we can buy stuff to save the planet.
I'm not saying go veggie but cut down and effectively ban mass produced meat. I've a lamb jigsaw in the freezer it came from a field 3 miles away and it's much tastier than the cellophane wrapped supermarket stuff. When I was young we had not much meat because it was expensive now it's dirt cheap.
Basically ban supermarkets from selling meat make it local and through butchers.
NZ lamb is really to keep lamb on the shelves. Their season is opposite ours so when British lamb is too young/old for the shelves NZ lamb is spot on.
Always amazed at threads like this
Not one idea here is either likely or feasible or will ever happen so why do folk fret and frenzy that the whole world doesn’t realise that they’re right and the world is wrong ?
Why not just try and live a good life and die knowing that you did what you felt was right ?Hating the world won’t change it.
Translation.....I'm old, self absorbed and entitled. I'll keep on doing what I want and will leave the problem (that I don't really believe is a problem) to future generations to sort.
Alternative electricity storage methods already exist which are expensive and/or inefficient but way better than storing electricity as hydrogen.
which are? Pump storage we have a few hours worth of electrricity demand stored. Batteries we do not have the volume of rare earths needed. We need weeks worth of storage not hours
There has to be a way that the massive desalination plants needed in the middle east can partly or wholly go to solar. I know that for Saudi gas is probably a bi-product and so dirt cheap.
I'll admit I know very little about desalination on a massive scale
