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Crow who made £100k and lived in subsidised housing whilst at the same time negotiating the most he could for his members and calling strikes.
More of your snide smears. With the kind of money he made for his members, Crow wasn't earning anywhere near enough. Of course, it's been shown time and time again here on STW that it's the politics of envy from the likes of you that mere train drivers and are allowed to work in a safe environment earn decent money. How much does a Tesco checkout supervisor earn? How much does the CEO of Tesco earn?
The former is the lite version of the latter ...
Not really, no.
my father is a dyed in the wool champagne socialist.. born so poor they lived in a cottage with no roof high on the lake district fells and when his father died they lived in another families cellar.. now he is a very prosperous octagenarien his sister is a multi millionaire they are at the moment cruising the med before returning to their villa in The baleriacs.. he is and always has been the most staunch Labour party voter i have ever met he has always read the daily mirror and worships Tony Blair but he d never give to charity or other good causes unless they touched him personally. He expects his state pension and associated benifits to continue regardless of his personal wealth/circumstances
Junkyard; WTF; actually use the gifts you received via Western education and READ what's been written. This was about THEM not YOU
He expects his state pension and associated benifits to continue regardless of his personal wealth/circumstances
I hope he's paying his taxes.
[quote=bex opined]Junkyard; WTF; actually use the gifts you received via Western education and READ what's been written. This was about THEM not YOU
Chuckles at the irony - that post is about me isnt it 😉
My western education was delivered in a socialist model ...oh the horror
Champagne? Might help you sleep?
jamj1974 - Member
The former is the lite version of the latter ...Not really, no.
Yes, really, yes. 😛
deadlydarcy - Member
How much does a Tesco checkout supervisor earn? How much does the CEO of Tesco earn?
What is the top limit for cashier?
What's with this phrase "checkout supervisor"?
Who are they supervising?
If they are all supervisors then who are doing the donkey works? The customers?
I like inflated title me ... 😆
Yes, CEO is paid too much ...
He defended his actions, asserting that "I was born in a council house, as far as I'm concerned I will die in one."[11][36] Although he was entitled to buy his house at a discount as a result of changes introduced by Margaret Thatcher's government, he refused, asserting his belief that "social housing stock should remain available for future generations"
But not his generation, in fact at a time when there was pressure on social housing he thought - not my problem mate somebody else can sort this out I quite like it here. He could of course of taking option C and moved out to somewhere else.
Refer you all back to the original.
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Yet has now posted a link to the sale of her cottage and has claimed 'had one offer already. Turned down, too low'.
This is a difficult one to answer as so much vital information is missing.
What was the asking price and how much was the offer she turned down ?
BTW in the English language cottage means "small house" not stately home.
Teamhurtmore - MemberAgree with us "or else". The SNP way or no way/is the only way!! Sounding more cult like every day.......
Aye, like today when they... er... got behind a bill put forward by Labour to pass the BSL (Scotland) bill? I can see why that inspired you to randomly post anti-SNP bile in a thread about something else. 😆 Meanwhile it remains Labour policy to oppose SNP motions "on principle" even when they agree with them and subsequently end up tabling identical motions themselves.
I wouldn't usually respond to your trolling but this one was funny.
I suspect you were not really looking for reasoned arguments to win you over; just a little confirmation.
Think you're right convert.
Bex - The forum says 'not a hypocrite on the original charge'. If you don't agree then I think you need to refine your understanding of socialism.
NW - where did you drag that up from and what is/was the relevance?
All this talk of socialism demonstrates the state of politics, and political education in the UK. The Tories aren't centralist, they are right wing (some have argued they are more extreme than Thatcher). But the media don't portray it like that so anything left of centre is seen as far left and labelled socialist.
refine your understanding of socialism
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That poster is a right wing spin of comparison.
'...I like toast as much as any man, but not for breakfast, dinner and tea'.
I've always thought of a champagne socialist as someone who, for example, says that nobody should have to pay to get a good education and the government shouldn't be dominated by the public school elite, and then sends their kids to a fee-paying school.
Someone will have a go at me now........
champagne socialist is just attack terminology deployed by the right wing when they can't fight the substance of a debate. It is used against people who have succeeded in the capitalist system but still care about people.
anyway - we are all Prosecco socialists now down south... 🙂
Genuinely perplexed by this thread. The OP seems jealous and annoyed and confused by her friend.
Why should she sell her house for less than she thinks it is worth? Having left wing beliefs doesn't mean having to give away all your posessions to the first person who comes along. Getting the maximum you can for your house doesn't preclude being charitable in other things. 😕
I prefer Lidl Cava to champagne. Now that Lidl have committed to paying the living wage, does that make me a faux champagne socialist?
As a student I rented a room from a couple of socialist teachers who told me they didn't declare my rent and pay the tax, wish I'd questioned them a bit about that really.
[quote=mudshark said]As a student I rented a room from a couple of socialist teachers who told me they didn't declare my rent and pay the tax, wish I'd questioned them a bit about that really.
They were subverting the system brother.
If you've "succeeded in the capitalist system", doesn't that make you a capitalist?
Does going for a swim make you a fish?
🙄
Surely the very living embodiment of champagne socialism....
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Firmly believes in the principles of the comprehensive education system. For other peoples kids. Her own will be going to an expensive private school, naturally.
Good to see you back on the front bench Diane 🙄
I think that wanting the best education for your own kids and making commitments to make it happen in the current system, doesn't stop a person from supporting increasing spending and wider policies to create an educational system that provides the best for all children, and is why "champaign socialism" is a worthless smear.
OP ... presuming this is the sale of a second home... your "friend" will have a health capital gains tax bill to pay.
So ask her a loaded question... something along the lines of.
"Ouch !! Bet the tax bill will be enough the make your eyes water"
If she comes back with something like "yeah bl00dy taxman" ... you've got her bang to rights.
If she reponses with "I'm socially responsible and happy to pay it" ... you can now live safe in the knowledge that all her FB posts/rants are genuine.
I think that wanting the best education for your own kids and making commitments to make it happen in the current system, doesn't stop a person from supporting increasing spending and wider policies to create an educational system that provides the best for all children, and is why "champaign socialism" is a worthless smear.
Yep.... nothing firmly states your whole-hearted support for a core party principle than opting out of it yourself, in favour of an alternative only accessable to a tiny minority of the people you claim to represent.
Do you have to sacrifice your children's future to prove that you think a system is flawed?
That would seem to be exacerbating the problem, and is a very old testament solution..
As for the OP.. You're possibly looking for a fight with your friend where perhaps there isn't a fight to have.. You should definitely be exploring your motives and maybe even questioning your friendship
I think that wanting the best education for your own kids and making commitments to make it happen in the current system,
We all want the best for our kids however when your whole life/political career is centred around the ethics of Socialism then you really ought to adhere to the basics, comprehensive education and the NHS being the basics.
As for the OP.. You're possibly liking for a fight with your friend where perhaps there isn't a fight to have.. You should definitely be exploring your motives and maybe even questioning your friendship
thread closed...
Do you have to sacrifice your children's future
If you regard the system your party created, and holds up as a core principle as "sacrificing your children's future" then maybe you should consider your position
Yeah I really hate champagne socialists.....almost as much as all those free market capitalists who every time something doesn't go their way wail that the government should 'do something about it'.
@deadlarcy Council / Housing association property should be means tested on a regular basis. It was ridiculous Bob Crow took up a valuable asset in short supply when he could easily afford to buy his own property or rent in the private sector. He's the perfect example of a "Socilaist" on the take, in contrast of the lady in the OPs post who is just selling her property at the best price as would anyone.
As for the OP.. You're possibly looking for a fight with your friend where perhaps there isn't a fight to have.. You should definitely be exploring your motives and maybe even questioning your friendship
Most of my friends are my best political sparring partners, this has gone on since 1981,theres more to be gained from differences than concensus, diversity innit !
Good point stabaliser. All those bankers railing at the over-regulation of their 'industry' didn't seem to mind socialism too much when it bailed their arses out.
They seem to have got over their brief flirtation with it now though
Phew
Extends to civil society too. 'Oh my view of the golf course is going to ruined by a ghastly new primary school' I'm going to write to my MP' yadda yadda
Interesting Thread, as a result I have asked myself how "Socilaist" am I?
Kids go to the nearest school, because to quote my wife "all schools should be of the same standard" I agree with her, but has been interesting how much stuff at home we have ended up doing.
Have no private medical, NHS does a bang up job whenever I/family come into contact with it.
In principle think that utilities like water/electricity/sewage should be government provided funded from general taxation.
I would say every one should not be taxed on income at all until it has surpassed a decent minimum wage
I ride a bike to work every day (does this count as a "Socilaist" policy, i'm not sure)
But then...
I don't give to any charities. (is this anti "Socilaist" thing or just mark me out as a selfish ****)
Don't really understand why we have 40% tax bracket (no I don't earn enough to pay it) to punish individuals - tax the crap out of large companies by all means
Find it difficult to understand the place of unions/strikes in the modern world.
All the "Socilaist" stuff on social media, its really is sanctimonious crap. I would wager a lot of money that's pretty much why labour lost the election.
And as for teachers who moan about their job.........
Oh and I have never voted for any "Socilaist" party.
Bex - what have you started?! 😀
Don't really understand why we have 40% tax bracket (no I don't earn enough to pay it) to punish individuals
Really? Surely it's to tax the money that they have to just spend on luxuries at a higher rate than the money they have for essentials. The way I see it is above a certain amount of earnings, we don't NEED the money, we just want it. Seems fair to me that the 'want' money is taxed, but the 'need' money isn't (or at least less).
As for unions, I take it you've never had an employer try to impose harsher pay/conditions on you as a member of a work force? Without unions, workers are powerless against exploitation and abuse. The fundemental 'ideal' workforce from a pure capitalist point of view is a bonded slave workforce, treated like beasts of burden and only given the nutrition required to sustain efficient production, and disposed of cheaply once spent. THAT is the true right wing view. The Left wing view sees everyone as humans, the modern right begrudgingly cedes that they 'have' to treat everyone as humans.
Really? Surely it's to tax the money that they have to just spend on luxuries at a higher rate than the money they have for essentials
wouldn't it be better to do that by going back to the seventies and reintroducing higher rate VAT on luxury items - you know, televisions, jewellery, luxury sporting goods like yachts, golf clubs and bicycles?
That's the first time you've posted anything that makes sense ninfan..
I'd back that policy
Hang on a minute. Are we having an outbreak of common sense and agreement here?
Well that policy is obviously a non-starter then 😉
I agree with ninfan, except for the bicycles bit. Not a luxury if you use it to commute and do the shopping. 🙂