Almost every day in my job, I have to deal with many sad, paranoid, & sometimes deranged individuals, who seem to have nothing better to do than occupy some sort of self- perceived moral high ground, criticising the lives of others & calling for the intervention of the law/ council/ or whatever other agency. I frequently have the overwhelming desire to suggest they "GET A F$*%G LIFE", however if I did this I would lose my job. On this forum however, I feel this sentiment is entirely appropriate. Don't get me started on irresponsible tree owners, dropping their evil seed in my garden, dripping sap on to my windscreen .........
IIRC at the start of this thread the petition had 11 signatures it now has 13. That's 2 more - which is less than the number of people who have expressed sympathy with the petition.
So unless they had all previously signed the petition, very unlikely I imagine, it means that even the punters who have expressed support and have apparently strong feelings on the matter can't be arsed to sign it.
Come on lads, get your fingers out - you need 100,000 signatures to trigger a Commons debate. Chop chop.
Haha! I actually agree with everything Ernie has said up to now.
Very rare.
Almost every day in my job
What kind of work can a guy who thinks trees are the same as cats get these days? Human Resources middle management?
it means that even the punters who have expressed support and have apparently strong feelings on the matter can't be arsed to sign it.
People who don't like cats want them dead so unless 'responsible ownership of cats' is another way of saying 'stop all cats breathing' then we're not signing.
Kudos you seem to be very upset about protected birds and other wildlife...
Tell me, what do you eat?
What is powering your computer?
What is heating your house?
Humans are responsible for the destruction of far more species than any moggy. Can I shoot you?
Foxes don't eat babies.
Unfortunately they don't even attack cats if the three in my garden are anything to go by.
Any reason why that shouldn't be the case for [s]cat[/s] horse owners?
Must be a kilo or two per defecation out of the back of the average hayburner .
Gardenists willingly pay to put this stuff on their roses, maybe there is a market for catpoo ? After all, its often the finest ingredients going in to the cat so it must be good stuff coming out the back...
Nice to see your back kudosleth. We haven't missed you baby.
You can't use poo from carnivores as fertilizer.
maybe there is a market for catpoo
For putting into peoples' food you want to kill perhaps.
To go back to the OP. The reason the idea is stupid is that it is unworkable. I'm pretty certain my cat does it's business in our back garden, we have a couple of areas dug over for it and I see him using them. But can I say 100% that he doesn't sneak one out elsewhere - no, but I've had no complaints from neighbours - although one of their dogs used to get in our garden a crap before the fence was fixed.
So effectively, and I assume you are not an idiot and know this, you are saying that all cat ownership should be banned. If so man up and just say it and support that case rather than propose unachievable, un-enforceable and expensive regulation
For all those cat shooters and poisoners. Do you understand the difference between pets and livestock for food or even wild animals. The point about pets is that there is an empathetic bond between owner and pet that is why people generally think that killing pets (or indeed being cruel to them) is abhorrent and is illegal. Whereas killing (livestock and game) animals for food is generally considered moral. Can you not see the difference between the rabbit ownef by the 6 year old kid and the one in the field trapped for dinner. If you can't then there is a clinical diagnosis....
For all those cat shooters and poisoners. Do you understand the difference between pets and livestock for food or even wild animals. The point about pets is that there is an empathetic bond between owner and pet that is why people generally think that killing pets (or indeed being cruel to them) is abhorrent and is illegal.
But if it was a dog running amok, the owner would be held accountable. Can you not see the difference?
Your pet is exactly that... YOUR pet, not mine. To me, it's just vermin.
But if it was a dog running amok, the owner would be held accountable. Can you not see the difference?
But you could not shoot it except in some very restricted circumstances to do with harm to livestock - not just because it was in your back garden. And that part of the law only exists because dogs can be a harm to livestock.
Your pet is exactly that... YOUR pet, not mine. To me, it's just vermin
I think you've just made my point for me - the inability to feel empathy with other people's empathy...
I keep a close eye on where my cat is whilst I am on this forum :
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Turner guy. How the hell did you train it not to lie ON the keyboard?!
I keep a close eye on where my cat is whilst I am on this forum
Joking aside, if more people who were "anti-cat" made their views known, more cat owners might keep a close eye on their cats. Which is essentially what we want...
I think you've just made my point for me - the inability to feel empathy with other people's empathy...
Backatcha sunshine. You're unable to empathise with my viewpoint that your cat is vermin, a danger to protected wild bird species, and should be exterminated if it enters my property. You sir, are clearly a sociopath!
Turner guy. How the hell did you train it not to lie ON the keyboard?!
he was - I just moved the keyboard to the side a bit until the keys were freer.
Now I have put one of those inflatable airplane pillows (J-Pillow) to the side and coaxed his head onto that, so all is well 🙂
New kitten - 16 weeks old - got him on Monday after putting his predecessor to sleep on Thursday 🙁 Very different though, so no tainting of memories, etc.
WAAIT A MINUTE!
Cougar - ModeratorMore to the point, why did you change your user name?
Because the previous one is serving a life ban.
I though multiple logins were baned?!
I though multiple logins were banned?!
They are.
He got lucky in that we decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he behaved himself. Those concessions are most certainly coming to a middle, I fear.
I've behaved perfectly well... (See? I even resisted the urge to type "purrfectly...)
Some people seem to think my posts are "trolling", just because my views are at the opposite end of the spectrum to their own. Personally, I find it morally abhorrent that people release cats into our environment, free to run amok, defecating in children's sandpits, killing protected wild species etc, etc, etc.
However, I don't complain to the moderators whenever someone posts a picture of a cat. And there have been some rather militant "pro-cat" views expressed on this forum, and I don't just mean on this thread.
The problems I've come up against in the past is that the moderators' personal views are, in some cases, diametrically opposed to my own, and they seem to have allowed those views to dictate how they deal with me.
Sadly, this stifles debate, which is after all, the purpose of this forum.
No argument should be settled by someone playing the empathy card completely unchallenged, and whilst cat owners might find my views challenging, there are others who agree, wholly or in part.
the moderators' personal views are, in some cases, diametrically opposed to my own, and they seem to have allowed those views to dictate how they deal with me.
If that was true then I'd have closed this thread four pages ago and deleted your account on spec about a month back when I worked out who you were.
I can't speak for the other moderators' opinions but the reason I [i]haven't[/i] closed this thread yet is because I value freedom of speech and discussion over my own personal viewpoint. To wit, if we all closed every thread we didn't personally like, this place would be a much worse place for it.
Fair enough Cougar, thanks for your moderate viewpoint. Let's hope other moderators exercise similar restraint on any other subjects that might polarise opinion.
Well, no-one else has closed it either. And unfortunately, you're still here too. So I wouldn't complain too loudly if I were you.
the moderators' personal views are, in some cases, diametrically opposed to my own, and they seem to have allowed those views to dictate how they deal with me.
Haven't you been banned for life because their views are diametrically opposed to your own?
I think the OP needs to employ a relocation service 🙂
Well, no-one else has closed it either. And unfortunately, you're still here too.
And to paraphrase your good self, this place is a much better place for it. 😉
TurnerGuy - Member
I keep a close eye on where my cat is whilst I am on this forum :
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That bloody cat broke your keyboard
look on the bright side kudos, your input has really helped the OP's campaign to gain momentum...
I wouldn't recommend anyone waste their time by signing that petition as it falls so short of addressing the real problems with cats that it's pointless.
I am, however, considering drafting my own petition, to make cat owners accountable for damage to bird, reptile or rodents that are protected by law. It might also include making it legal for landowners to use reasonable means to eradicate cats from their property (ie, trapping or shooting).
I am, however, considering drafting my own petition, to make cat owners accountable for damage to bird, reptile or rodents that are protected by law. It might also include making it legal for landowners to use reasonable means to eradicate cats from their property (ie, trapping or shooting).
I can't help but read this and have the phrase "sad little man" come to mind...
so attempts to dismiss me with an insult
I'm sure TurnerGuy doesn't imagine that a Big Hitter of your calibre can be [i]dismissed[/i] with such an insult. He's just thought of an apposite description, and has shared it with the community.
😉
I was going to present an argument but I couldn't get past the "sad little man" thought...
I'm not sure why OP is being attacked so much with mainly strawman arguments, it's a perfectly rational argument - why should I have to deal with turds on my gravel drive, garden, veg patch and so on, becuase the neighbours decided to buy cats?
But you could not shoot it except in some very restricted circumstances to do with harm to livestock - not just because it was in your back garden. And that part of the law only exists because dogs can be a harm to livestock.
Out of curiosity, what livestock would I need to keep in my garden to be permitted to shoot cats legally? Or was that bullshit?
The law is a bit odd when it comes to cats. You don't need a license for a start and there's this from the CAB...
Cats are allowed to trespass, and generally the owner is not liable for any damage their cats may do. Here are a few methods to try for keeping cats out of your garden (but we can't guarantee they will work for you):
• buying a cat repellent from your local garden centre or DIY shop
• planting marigolds 30 cm apart around the outside of the garden
• putting down lemon and orange peel or juice
• placing lion poo, which is available on the Internet, on your garden –
cats will think they’re in the lion’s territory!
• buying a motion-sensor for your sprinkler from the hardware shop
• shooting at the cat with a water pistol whenever you see it near your garden
So to keep other people's cats from damaging my property i have to spend my time and money. Hardly fair considering I need a license for my dog. I also built an 8' fence to keep her from escaping when i'm not there. I pick up her poop from the enclosure in the back garden (where i trained her to go) and if outside i do the same. If she damages property/bites i'm liable for damages and she could be put down.
If cats were good pets i could maybe understand the bias. But they're not, they just use gullible humans for food and shelter. ****ers!
Also, the law needs changing so it is not a crime to protect your property, and the animals/birds - wild or otherwise - that dwell therein from these animals by killing them humanely if they trespass and harm or worry livestock. Same as it is for dogs.
the answer is obviously that Kudos should move to the US and join the NRA.
Do you really use an air rifle to shoot cats for pleasure kudos?It's simply a case of neutralising the threat to our threatened bird, rodent and reptile species. As a conservationist, I don't take a great deal of pleasure in killing anything, but anyone who's used a high powered air rifle will know the sense of satisfaction one gains from an accurate hit.
Ideally he will then apply for a firearms instructors license and start teaching 9 year olds how to fire Uzi submachine guns.
the answer is obviously that Kudos should move to the US and join the NRA.
Ideally he will then apply for a firearms instructors license and start teaching 9 year olds how to fire Uzi submachine guns.
So again, you are attacking him rather than actually addressing his question?
Ok apart from cats crapping in your garden what else could it be? Badgers, foxes, hedgehogs, muntjack, otters, mink, weasels, polecats, stoats, wild boar, feral goat, rabbits, hares, racoons or if you are unlucky your neighbour.
You going to kill all of these?
Ok apart from cats crapping in your garden what else could it be? Badgers, foxes, hedgehogs, muntjack, otters, mink, weasels, polecats, stoats, wild boar, feral goat, rabbits, hares, racoons or if you are unlucky your neighbour.You going to kill all of these?
If they are consistently crapping in the same/similar spots day in/day out as the cats do, then yes, why not?
The crap is a health hazard, is probably doing nothing beneficial to my soil and contains god-knows how many pathogens.
So again, you are attacking him rather than actually addressing his question?
yes.
His questions have been answered, cats are untrainable and roam and you don't have the right to shoot them. You can't shoot foxes, and amongst other things they rip open peoples chicken coops and kill all the birds just for fun (maybe the same sort of fun Kudos gets from shooting cats!).
The crap is a health hazard, is probably doing nothing beneficial to my soil and contains god-knows how many pathogens.
and diesel cars chuck out carcinogens, farmers use pesticides that pollute the ground, there are a lot bigger health hazards around than cats.
If cats were good pets i could maybe understand the bias. But they're not, they just use gullible humans for food and shelter. ****!
I would tend to disagree with this opinion as my cat is a great pet. Very loving, brings enjoyment to my family, and a great asset to my household.
I would rather my cat than the neighbours dog who thinks its great fun to bark until 1:00am, usually on the days I need to be up early and need a good nights sleep.
Now that's another argument about Dogs' being a social menace.... 🙂
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I hate cats!
I want a Cat now. A British Blue. Or an Ocelot.
The nuclear deterrent is a Patterdale Terrier.
turnerguy "You can't shoot foxes," Yes you can. That is the main way that they are controlled now that hunting with dogs (a pack) is against the law.
This cat thing is an interesting divider of us all. I'm not interested in owning one but have nothing against them being around mostly, especially when they are friendly and come to say hello. Have spent time living next door to someone that had 7 at one point, they crapped around our garden. Had words and was told to f/off. so place a pile on the door step, it was not a constructive step. Nothing changed, I felt a little better though watch them clear up the mess.
Have fun one and all
