"Sick man of Europe" I believe.
Good that Boris is doing his bit to save the country some cash: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51482220
I like the example he is setting - anyone want to give me £15000 for my next holiday?
not strictly Brexit but what do we think of the prospect of Supreme Court judge appointments being subject to parliamentary influence?
No-one's saying it'll happen and in fact #10 has refused to endorse Cox's comments, but equally the manifesto identified 'wide reaching constitutional reforms' which i can't imagine will be to tighten up scrutiny of what government can do......
Very good reasoned analysis of where we are heading here...and very worrying:
https://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/britains-existential-crisis-is-now-looking-very-real/
It'd be really great if anyone who voted for brexit could have a read through that, if you can be bothered, and come back with some valid argument as to why you still think it's a good idea...
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That article is absolutely bang on! One particular statement in there is becoming increasingly obvious.
The manufacturing industries in Britain are to be sacrificed just as the coal and steel industries were in the 1980s
So its going to be the same places that were hit last time that are going to cop for it this time too. The Tory's are just going to use Brexit to finish off the job they started in the 80's.
A lot of people who voted for Brexit and then voted Tory on the basis that 'it can't get any worse' are about to find out that it most certainly can get worse. A lot, lot worse
https://twitter.com/ColinBrowning14/status/1227906931450425344
Love shit like this and it'll happen more and more. The day after the Brexit vote my sister travelled to Rome and they made UK citizens go through the everyone else queue, she said it took hours
Edit, how do you embed Twitter?
[Mod edit: fixed for you. Just C&P the URL.]
Talking to people here in Germany there is a line of thinking that goes "let them suffer". An almost schadenfreude-esque attitude towards the UK.
How much does the EU need the UK?
Does it matter to them if the UK falls off its pedestal and another nation takes its place? Not really.
It's this bit from the above article that caught my attention:
" the financialisation of our entire economy now means that 38% of working-age households now take more from the state in benefits than they pay back in taxes and child poverty is expected to reach an eye-watering 37% in just four years time."
Both factors are horrifying for our future. How well is our society going to function in a decade or few's time when all these children whose futures have been stunted by poverty grow up?
I guess the standard Brexity answer is that we will have now have a "boom', and dear god we need one, unfortunately most analysis shows that's highly unlikely to happen. Even 'Rees Mogg' said it might take 50 years to see any benefit.
Thanks BrexyBoomers for taking away our life chances.
theotherjonv - with Cox's departure and being replaced by Braverman you can be guaranteed that governmental interference in the judicial process will become very real.
Quote from the article describing this gov as being '....despots not democrats' will be proved 100% true.
endoverend - I cannot disagree with any of the truepublica article; how long will it take before brexiters realise they were sold a pup by johnson & co and turn against him and the gov?
Will they accept responsibility for their actions when they and their families are faced with job losses, shrinking manufacturing base, increased cost of living, reintroduction of visas for european travel, more overt racism and xenophobia?
Some will but many won't and will blame the EU for failing to '...give us what we want'; that message is already being promoted by right wing press.
Why should the EU give us anything other than a hard time?
Why should the EU give us anything other than a hard time?
On the face of it no reason.
Sure they want us to prosper as much as possible together but if we try to subvert their system then they will, rightly, tell us to get stuffed.
Why should the EU give us anything other than a hard time?
There's no reason they should "give us a hard time."
What they absolutely cannot do, however, is give us anything at all which is better than than what they offer to EU member states because that would undermine the very point of being a member in the first place. No club in the history of ever offers better benefits to its non-members than to its members.
Cougar - let me rephrase.
Why should the EU co-operate with UK gov to '...give us what we want'?
The UK doesn't have many bargaining chips; as for a negotiating position - we don't have one and we lack the negotiating skills.
All of the EU's trade negotiators who have helped the UK to benefit since 1973 are now sitting on the other side of the table.
It is clear that the EU will be presented as giving us a hard time and, as stated somewhere up there ^^^, it's started.
Why would a club offer the same benefits to non-members as it does to members? They wouldn't and the EU won't.
Okay, I’m saying this yet again. The EU is not making a choice when it says that we can not have the benefits that arise from shared rules unless we follow those shared rules… it is simply a fact… a truth… a truism. Losing the benefits that arise from harmonisation across borders has to happen if we opt out of the harmonisation. After all these years you’d have thought people in the UK would have got this. I’d at least have thought that anyone bothering to contribute to this and the previous thread would have worked this out by now. The EU is not making it hard on us… “we” are choosing to no longer partake in rules based systems from next year that currently benefit us. This is nothing to do with EU choices, it is the choice of the donkeys that lead us, cheered on by infantilised voters.
Anyway, came to post this… it’s short but essential reading…
https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1228339846281908226?s=21
Cougar – let me rephrase.
Yup, no arguments with any of that.
@mehr, it gets better!
https://twitter.com/ColinBrowning14/status/1223994133154496513?s=20
https://twitter.com/ColinBrowning14/status/1227906931450425344?s=20
Cmon, fess up, who is it?
Incorrect use of the present perfect continuous (‘have been standing’, not ‘have been stood’) and the ending of a sentence with a preposition. And to think leave- voting boomer types are always complaining about younger people having a poor grasp of grammar.
JP
Very good reasoned analysis of where we are heading here…and very worrying:
I thought Byline was a mad conspiracy site, but that one is fantastic, good find, well done.
Ooh, wait a minute ...
Taking a photo at immigration is expressly forbidden.
Read some of the comments here https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/schiphol-airport-amsterdam-tweet-1-6514898
That’s not funny. The reference to ‘down the King Power’ means there is a high likelihood this chump lives near me somewhere.
Still, I saw a loaf of bread in Sainsbury’s earlier that reminded me of this guy, then I looked a bit closer and realised it actually said ‘Thick Cut’.
kelvin - I suggest you read my follow-up post clarifying '...giving us a hard time'.
I think most contributors have a decent understanding of what is happening - specifically the benefits of harmonisation.
The EU could say, amongst other things:
- OK, you've left but we will work co-operatively with you to ensure the UK achieves the best possible deal without compromising any of our stated objectives and core principles
or
- you've left; we will not offer any significant concessions to the UK, will not be obstructive or uncooperative but will not be bounced into helping you achieve your date for concluding a trade agreement
or
- you've left; live with the consequences; we're not bothered if this leads to a hard brexit and WTO rules across the board; we have all the negotiating cards and the experts to manage our interests. No concessions of any kind; all trade-offs will be in our favour.
Johnson and his bunch of second raters want the first but are doing nothing to encourage the EU; in fact their attitude is likely to result in the latter.
In addition, Johnson wants 'good' trade deals with the EU and the US but those two trading blocs don't have an easy relationship with each other and johnson will be squeezed - talk about being between a rock and a hard place.
If trump wins a second term the pressure will really be ramped up.
Other than that, everything's good.
It is in the EU's interests to have a prosperous country as it's neighbour of course. So they aren't trying to knobble us. But there are rules that they cannot break for very obvious reasons. It's that simple.
Caymans on the black list, funny what happens when you don’t have a veto anymore.
The Colin Browning Twitter account must be a parody. It *must* be.
Apparently the airport delays were because it was a staff training day. Nothing to to with brexit in this case.
Still a longer queue in the non EU passports bit tho
I don't care if it takes a bit longer to get through the airport, at least we are now making our own rules and controlling our borders. We are, aren't we?
Worth checking out this thread… if you need a reminder of why the “easiest trade deal in history” is still a bogus proposition…
https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1229135300942868481?s=21
In case we didn't know.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51526784.
Okay, I’m saying this yet again. The EU is not making a choice when it says that we can not have the benefits that arise from shared rules unless we follow those shared rules… it is simply a fact… a truth… a truism
It makes no difference how many times anyone states it. Truth is not what motivated/motivates Brexit, neither the political puppet-show we have in place. The game is perfectly rigged.
I'm sure it is just posturing by the French. After all I'm sure I recall this being 'the easiest deal in history'.
Maybe one of the Brexit flag wavers could clarify my memory.
It can still be the easiest deal in history
" we want cake and unicorns"
" you cannot have them"
" we will walk away then"
"bye"
It can still be the easiest deal in history
” we want cake and unicorns”
” you cannot have them”
” we will walk away then”
“ see what the filthy globalist lefty communist foreigners are doing to us? Dunkirk, blabla, Trump, bla bla, we’ll break the EU, we hope it fails with it’s bendy bananas and corrupt filthy unelected beurocrats, no wonder we’re popular. Bla bla ner ner ner, ner”
FTFY
Easiest planned no deal in history. And it will be lapped up by the electorate.
Overton Window has seemingly been bricked-up and instead painted as an abstract meme on a cloud somewhere between Trumping Towers and the Internetz. It may get a refurb/reassessment in a few decades. Maybe not. One thing is certain and that is that populism (like Nationalism) is still catching up with social media (a new hyper-tabloidism) and they fit together like hand-in-glove. I predict much much worse before things begin to turn another corner. This feels more like a dead-end/fait-accompli. I’d dearly love to be wrong.
The French are probably just giving us back about 0.00001% of what we deserve in this outburst. It is not constructive of the guy in question, but if you act like a dick sooner or later someone is going to have a pop back. It might feed the gutter press some more in this country, which is about the extent of any damage it could do.
Nothing, nothing is going to get away from the fact that there is a near perfect inverse relationship between degree of alignment with the EU and the UK’s economic prosperity.
Opt for BRINO and limit the damage or go full **** and invoke an economic catastrophe. Those are the two poles, options exist between but more chest puffing stupidity equals less cash in the kitty. Always was the case, is the case now and always will be.
The best bet would have been staying in the EU, of course, but well.....****s.
and invoke an economic catastrophe
This is not going to happen. Although the steps necessary to avoid it might prove unpalatable for many people still being told by the liars running the government that voting for Brexit was about “keeping our money”, “spending on our priorities”, “controlling our borders and fisheries”, “saving the NHS”… all while “protecting workers rights” and “ever higher standards of environmental protection”. At some point choices will have to be made.
Still a longer queue in the non EU passports bit tho
We were all directed to the EU biometric lines at Alicante airport Saturday. We'll see what happens at the end of the transition period.🤷♂️🤷♂️
Kelvin - no deal is coming I am certain. all this is just preparing the blame game to blame anyone but the tories for the damage it will cause
It’ll either be no deal, or “minimum deal”, and all the chaos and cost that entails, yes. And blame everyone else, of course… goes without saying. The mitigations that follow are still going to be a surprise to people who voted for a better life though.
The mitigations that follow are still going to be a surprise to people who voted for a better life though.
As not one of these has yet explained to me how life will be *better* out of the EU then how can they be ‘surprised’? Surely no matter how bad it gets, this shall simply ensure a near-endless supply of the same old scapegoats with which to fuel the New Dunkirk Spirit of cap-doffing, Spam-worshipping, blaming Johnny-foreigner/‘Marxists’/brown people/The French/uppity feminists/‘academics’ and of course the never-fail emergency ripcord - ‘blame the poor and/or disabled’.
I went through the 'all passports' line at Milan Linate last week, because in amongst the scrum of people I noticed that the EU line was roped off into zig zags but the all passports line went down the side of the zig zags in a straight line and hence was much shorter. The flight had just landed from the EU though so it contained mostly EU and Brits.
Soz,ignore.
As not one of these has yet explained to me how life will be *better* out of the EU then how can they be ‘surprised’? Surely no matter how bad it gets, this shall simply ensure a near-endless supply of the same old scapegoats with which to fuel the New Dunkirk Spirit of cap-doffing, Spam-worshipping, blaming Johnny-foreigner/‘Marxists’/brown people/The French/uppity feminists/‘academics’ and of course the never-fail emergency ripcord – ‘blame the poor and/or disabled’.
It is handy for them that the festering reservoir of prejudice was there all the time for them to tap into.
https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1229714523281641473?s=21
“We don’t need no stinking rules”, or the slightly more nuanced (if still just as deluded), “we will set all our own rules without compromising with any of the big trading blocks or states”, need to meet reality at some point. I fear they will be doing so in our workplaces long before our representatives in government and their Vote Leave handlers and financiers will let themselves be seen to bend to global reality.
