[Closed] Brazil F1 GP

I'm hoping Hamilton wins, Webber 3rd/4th and Alonso out of the points - that'll set it up nicely for a proper finale in Abu Dhabi. Interlagos is one of the proper old-school tracks too with none of that Tilke-ism, but that pit lane entry has always bothered me.

Should be a cracker, one of very few circuits worth getting up early/staying up late for. As long as Alonso and Vettel take each other out it'll be great. And I fancy a Renault driver on the box.

If you have to stay up late for the Brazilian GP, you're probably too young to be on this forum 😉

Can't see it being anything other than a Red Bull or Ferrari win. The tight infield should really favour Webber and Vettels car too. Can't see Hamilton challenging for the win so Hopefully Webber will come out of it leading the Championship going into the last round.
How much of an influence will Massa have on the result? Anti-clockwise track and he always goes well there.

If you have to stay up late for the Brazilian GP

If you have to stay up late for the Brazilian GP, you're probably too young to be on this forum

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F1 on BBC Sun 7 Nov 2010 15:10..

be be fair I have been know to have a power nap in the pm.

I don't mind who wins as long as its not a Red Bull!

Ideally both Red Bulls fall of, Alonso falls off - Massa Wins and Hamilton comes second! 😀

I don't care who wins, as long as they're not Spanish or driving a Ferrari or a Red Bull 😉

I really don't care who wins as long as it's good race

I dont care who wins so long as its not the safety car again

It would be nice to go into the final race with 3 or 4 drivers (sorry Jenson) all with a good chance of winning the championship

It has been a great year, bits of everything lets hope it has a great end.

Oh & the last bit of the lap is all about power & f-ducts 🙂

I had a dream last night that Alonso blew his engine in the race.

I wouldn't mind Webber winning it. I'll lose money on that bet, like, but i like him despite his recent indiscretions.

I'd love Hamilton to win it again, but I think it's a big big ask.

I had a dream lastnight that Hora blew Alonso. 😯
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Yes, he was stroppy and kept on asking why I was giving bingo soo much attention when he was the one

you just love them numbered balls dontcha Mark...

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It's forecast to rain. Which could be fun, so long as they let the tyres down on the safety car.

t's forecast to rain. Which could be fun

It'll be fun as long as Charlie Whiting listens to Lewis rather than all the other namby pamby lighweight mincers

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It'll be fun as long as Charlie Whiting listens to Lewis rather than all the other namby pamby lighweight mincers

"The light's good; I wanna stay out!"
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That Hamilton wanting to get going in the heavy rain thing is just a load of puff and bluster. What would have happened when another car just went barreling into him, or he went barreling into another car, because visibility was zero? Hamilton is a great driver, but he doesn't have different powers of vision to other drivers. Charlie Whiting should continue using massive experience and good management skills (which include listening and thinking clearly).

Really looking forward to the race weekend. So much. It will be fight between Ferrari and Red Bull - can't see McLaren being able to improve their car enough to be right up there. I know they say they have updates to sort out their car over bumps, and all the rest of it, but they always say that.

If it rains it might roll the dice a bit and someone else might get a look in - Kubica could easily have a good race for example, or Rosberg maybe.

We'll see - I'm going for Webber and Vettel 1-2. In that order.

That Hamilton wanting to get going in the heavy rain thing is just a load of puff and bluster. What would have happened when another car just went barreling into him, or he went barreling into another car, because visibility was zero?

What F1 race was it now where everyone was going on (inc Hamilton) yet he recovered where others crashed out?

Didn't something similar happen with the bikes a few years ago, where the rain was atrocious and no-one wanted to go in. Eventually Rossi took control and made the decision that the race should have been halted. No Rossi, no racing!Far braver in my opinion than trying to BS that you can stay out longer.

That Hamilton wanting to get going in the heavy rain thing is just a load of puff and bluster.

Pretty much all 4 of the front runners were dramatising the conditions to suit their particular situation
Vettel probably knew his engine was very sick & was making a hell of a lot of comments [aimed at Charlie] about bad light etc. & wanting to have the race stopped
When questioned later, he just shrugged & indicated that he'd been wrong as others had clearly managed OK

What F1 race was it now where everyone was going on (inc Hamilton) yet he recovered where others crashed out?

Nurburgring '07?

It was germany wasn't it? Where they all slewed off at the first corner but Lewis managed to get it out of the gravel and carry on.

It was literally Carry on F1

For a bit of balance;

I'd like to see Vettel and Alonso battle for 1st, Massa in 3rd, with Webber and Hamilton taking each other out. Or getting over taken by everyone, and getting lapped. Twice.

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Nah; I just want to see a good race, fair, but proper exciting.

This is probably Webber's only chance of ever getting the drivers' WC though, and Vettel is definitely a star for the future anyway. Be good to see what he's really got, now the pressure's on.

One thing I won't be doing, is crying like a little girl if the 'wrong' driver wins, unlike some of the children on here...

What F1 race was it now where everyone was going on (inc Hamilton) yet he recovered where others crashed out?

He is good, obviously. But he isn't in some sort of other world to all the others - they are all fantastic drivers. Hamilton's biggest characteristic is he take more risks, which in a sport which is intrinsically risk-averse stands out.

I hope Webber wins. I believe he can do it, I believe he is good enough, and I believe he deserves it. However, I said from word-go, before Bahrain, that Alonso was the best and will be most likely to win the Championship.

Webber gets my vote too, seems like a decent enough guy & it will almost certainly be his only chance. Jenson got his last year. The other three will be in positions to win for the next 10 years.

Webber for the win

If you want a proper dramatic wet GP go back to Monaco in the 80s - the one where Mansell took the lead and was comfortably pulling away from Prost, then drove over a white painted line and spun off leaving Prost in first but rapidly getting hauled in by a rookie in an uncompetitive car. Prost started gesticulating to the race director, trying to get the race stopped and the race was duly red flagged, with the rookie overtaking Prost just before the line. Prost got awarded the victory though because the rules said the places were counted from the last complete lap. The rookie got 2nd place - his name was Ayrton Senna.

Of more importance - who's going to take the inaugural STW Fantasy F1 title! Could be anyone of the top 15...

http://fantasyf1game.net/league/table/17074

Or a proper race in the wet - Senna at Donnington. He was god like at reading the conditions.

I'm sure Surf_Mat would be better 😉 Or would molgrips outdo him? Such a choice of driving Gods...

I stand corrected 🙂

One of the F1 sites is mooting the idea of Alonso taking a new engine & the resulting 10 place grid drop, now that would be interesting – you’d have to reckon on him getting up to at least 4th if he started from the 5th or 6th row around there
He’d also then have a fresh[ish] engine for Abu Dhabi

That would be Planet F1 then. An absolutely bonkers idea. Yes you can overtake at Brazil but not to that degree. If he stuck it on pole he would and was then put back to 11th he would have several cars in front of him that are at least as fast in a straight line as the Ferrari.

Near the end of the Korean race Vettel was bleating how dark it was and the race should be stopped immediately, with him in the lead.

Then his engine blew, and he scored no points.

Drivers only look out for themselves, all their talk should be taken with a pinch of salt.

I think all the drivers thought it was borderline. Maybe you are just weaving a narrative around too little information to build up a story that you had already formed in your mind. To call any voiced concern about safety "bleating" is just silly.

The skill of the race director is to stand to one side from that kind of mental process and make rational, objective decisions.

That would be Planet F1 then. An absolutely bonkers idea.

Is it totally bonkers?

A 10 place grid drop & then a good engine for Abu Dhabi or 2 very iffy engines? the Bulls won't be able to run their engines flat out.
If his engine goes in Brazil, he'll not score & he'll then take a 10 place drop in Abu Dhabi

Hamilton, Vettel and Button finished 3rd, 4th and 5th after starting 14th, 15th and 17th respectively last year at Interlagos, it's a place that favours the brave & Alonso has that by the bucket full
He also has a trained pet poodle in Massa who could go very racy for qualifying & try to hold up the McBulls

I'm not so sure it's that bonkers, a bit left field maybe, but not totally bonkers

I'd say it was a fairly mad idea. The last place you want to be into the first corner in Brazil is mid-pack. I can't recall a start when there hasn't been some sort of incident at the start. It would be so easy to have a wing taken off or to pick up a puncture.

Far better to start as high as you can and the turn the wick down a bit on the engine. As we've seen so often in the past - its far easier to keep someone behind than it is to overtake.

IMO of course! 🙂

Depends on whether they think the engine will last. Better to start midpack and risk not finishing than start on a fubar'd engine that you know will pop.

Although Alonso's only got one new engine left, the rules say he can put any one of the older engines in the car with no penalty. He doesn't have to run with the engine that's just finished the last race.

I don't think it'll be a major issue really.

I didn't think Alonso had any new engines left?

Interlagos is very hard on engines. Since they changed Hockenheim I now think it has the longest full throttle section of any track - from Juncau all the way to braking for the Senna chicane so I can see why the theory of going for a new engine comes from.

But its still bonkers, Alonso will have 2 Red Bulls and 2 Mclarens, 2 Mercs, 1 Renault in front of him and will be surrounded by Force India's and other assorted midfield runners going into the first corner.

Its true that others have made a poor starting position work fro them in Brazil but none of them would have put themselves there by choice