[Closed] Boris says jihadists are w***ers

I've always thought of them as arseholes, personally.

Boris has got the balls to say what I've always thought; I've always believed that it's sexual and intellectual frustration that leads young men to carry out extreme acts.

The problem exists in our own society: if anybody asked me to define the difference between being a batchelor and being a married man I would say that despite some exciting short-term relationships batchelorhood was frustrating because of the lack of sexual and emotional security. Once I was married all that changed as there was a sense of security and emotional fulfilment... and no more searching questions from people wondering why I wasn't married, when I travelled around Africa and the Middle East.

The deep irony is that as soon as procreation was accomplished, regular sex became just a distant memory.

I'm sure the usual suspect do gooders will be demanding he makes an apology by the end of the day....

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I've always believed that it's sexual and intellectual frustration that leads young men to carry out extreme acts.

It probably a bit of an over simplification but yeah I would tend to agree.

The whole oddly specific number of virgins in paradise thing seems to basically being saying. "Well we know you ain't getting any in this world but strap on this suicide vest and then go fill yer boots"

dont fancy having a **** with that hook

I'm sure the usual suspect do gooders will be demanding he makes an apology by the end of the day...

Brian Blessed? 😯

show me a man who isnt a w@nker and I'll show you a liar.

They're certainly lacking in social skills.

They're obsessed. Lots of them even blow their load in crowded places.

show me a man who isnt a w@nker and I'll show you a liar.

Take your pick
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Remember reading brian keenans book where he said his captors spent the day telling him how the west was sick and cared about nothing but sex and then he would be woken up at night by the guy guarding his door noisily having a tug with a copy of the latest porn mag,they certainly are a mixed up lot.

Takes one to know one!

show me a man who isnt a w@nker and I'll show you a liar.

I hate too say it, bit Bozza is probably right. If you're religious belief teaches you that women are fundamentally inferior to you, then you're hardly going to have a healthy and balanced attitude to sexuality.

If everything about you says 'you are my inferior', then I doubt you're going to be beating them off with a shitty stick.

When it comes to its attitude to women, Islam dragging itself into the 18th century would be progress of sorts.

I spent 5ys living in Saudi, I met/saw a lot of frustrated blokes. Unsurprising given they not only cant look at women, they cant even talk to them.

Several times I saw a few of them enjoying each others company. Which given their lack of exposure to women was not a surprise.

Separated in school, work, socially, sport etc. Really messed up their whole world.

The internet must make their view of them and the rest of the world upsetting.

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I often think that Catholicism and Islam have a lot in common and when I was a student in Spain in 1977 Franco was only two years dead and the whole country was beginning to emerge from religious supression. I lived in a male-only hall of residence near Seville for five months (admittedly it was an Opus Dei college) and was really struck by the immaturity of the general attitude to women. Two English girls, fellow students who were in Granada, thought it would be fun to hitch over and spend a weekend with me at my hall of residence.... their arrival caused a near-riot amongst the residents and my room mate and I had to smuggle them into an empty annexe and lock them in for the night for their own safety then escort them back to the bus station the next day. It was a big embarrassment.

When I returned to Spain a few years later it was remarkable how the country had gone overboard on porn - it seemed to be everywhere.

ninfan - Member
I'm sure the usual suspect do gooders will be demanding he makes an apology by the end of the day....

Paper/rock/scissors world champ apparently...

EDIT: reference to Hammy, it didn't copy the image...

I think the promise of a wife / sex slave and 70 virgins if you martyr yourself is a big part of the sales pitch to these would be Jihadists. IS has been recruiting young girls to go to Syria/Iraq. I do think if you are inept with women having a totally subservient women at your beck and call purely as a result of you becoming a fighter is probably quite appealing.

[i]/ Devils Advocate//[/i] So basically we need to air drop porn on these repressed people to free them up and give them a balanced view of women ? [i]/ Devils Advocate//[/i]

Remember at school one lad bragging that now he had a girlfriend he didn't have to ****. Someone pointed that they didn't have to either, they just enjoyed it...

I was sitting in a climbing hut reading a copy of "Scouting for Boys" I found in the bookshelves. I read out the bit which warns young boys of the danger of "troubling ones-self with one's hand", to which a small voice in the corner responded "it's no trouble".

Trimix - Member
/ Devils Advocate// So basically we need to air drop porn on these repressed people to free them up and give them a balanced view of women ? / Devils Advocate//

The opposite. We airdrop Germain Greer onto them, to give them a jolly good telling off

binners - Member
We airdrop Germain Greer onto them, to give them a jolly good telling off

*fapp fapp fapp fapp fapp*

I spent 5ys living in Saudi, I met/saw a lot of frustrated blokes. Unsurprising given they not only cant look at women, they cant even talk to them.

Several times I saw a few of them enjoying each others company. Which given their lack of exposure to women was not a surprise.

Man love Thursdays?

On a more serious note - I am hoping that exposure to the outside world will help women to become respected out there. The internet and social media is assisting this.

Already there is a lot going on, even in Saudi where women have been demanding better rights.

The right to drive being one of them. How long the authorities can clamp down on social media / blogging / internet remains to be seen.

I think he has it backwards - it's not that they fail with women so become violent jihadists, it's that most women don't find violent jihadists attractive.

In a society run by violent jihadists* that's fine - the men can just do whatever the hell they like. In a society like ours they can't, so get frustrated and decide to do something about it.

There's a germ of an idea there - why do men become so misogynistic? That's what needs to be tackled.

*I'm counting Saudi Arabia here too.

Already there is a lot going on, even in Saudi where women have been demanding better rights.

The right to drive being one of them. How long the authorities can clamp down on social media / blogging / internet remains to be seen.

I can't help thinking that having the developed world fawn on the leader/dictator who enforced all this nonsense, probably isn't helping matters. Nor is turning a blind eye to horrendous human rights abuses, as long as they keep buying their expensive bang bangs off us

When someone is sentenced to 1000 lashes for saying on social media 'you know what? this is all a bit shit', I wouldn't hold my breath for any progress.

There's a germ of an idea there - why do men become so misogynistic? That's what needs to be tackled.

Because Islam is inherently misogynistic, and so its drilled in to them from the earliest age

bencooper - Member

most women don't find violent jihadists attractive.

It's true this, I go to Violent Jihadist Speed Dating most tuesdays and it's almost all dudes. And the women, zomfg.

binners - Member

Because Islam is inherently misogynistic, and so its drilled in to them from the earliest age

And all misogynists are muslim of course.

Because Islam is inherently misogynistic, and so its drilled in to them from the earliest age

So is Christianity. So is our society. We can't be too smug about this, when only 20% of MPs are women. And it's not all Muslim countries - look at Malaysia or Indonesia.

Violent Jihadist Speed Dating

Very speedy when everyone's wearing suicide vests 😀

So is Christianity. So is our society.

True but everything is relative. Last week the Church of England ordained its first female bishop. I wouldn't hold out much hope of the catholic church following suit. But the more conservative forms of Islam barely acknowledge women as anything more than property/breeding machines/servents.

Its unhealthy for everyone. And its certainly not compatible with liberal western societies values, yet it is tolerated, and even pandered too.

And it's not all Muslim countries - look at Malaysia or Indonesia.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/now-muslim-group-wants-k-pop-organiser-to-bear-the-consequences

Last week the Church of England ordained its first female bishop.

They've done that because of pressure from secular society. Do you think a country run by the Christian church would do that kind of thing?

So basically we need to air drop porn on these repressed people to free them up and give them a balanced view of women ?

if we are drop porn mags dusted with Anthrax to IS could we not wipe most of them out within a few days ?

FWIW a school friend of my Dad used to be a Catholic priest and a theological advisor to the Vatican but he got thrown out for writing a book saying that the only way the Catholic church can survive is for it to allow priests to marry. At the age of 60 he'd had enough of it so he left the priesthood and married a barrister aged 30 and they had two sons. He's the wisest, sincerest and cleverest man I know; what a waste that he is not running the Church.

So is Christianity. So is our society. We can't be too smug about this, when only 20% of MPs are women.

What percentage of the MPs in the Arab States are women?

Islam is misogynistic, it teaches that women are inferior to men.

The hand wringers can come out with their "what aboutery" and other shit but to pretend that the mainstream modern Christian churches teach similar values is nonsense.

look at Malaysia or Indonesia.

Yes lets look at Indonesia in particular.
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Indonesia ]Human rights in Indonesia[/url]

That's exactly the sort of idea the CIA will come up with. Look at all the daft plots they tired to kill of Castro !

And the women, zomfg.

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Islam is misogynistic, it teaches that women are inferior to men.

Have you read the Bible?

They've done that because of pressure from secular society.

Exactly. They have changed with the times.

Do you think a country run by the Christian church would do that kind of thing?

Which Christian Church? There are quite a few.

Apart from the Vatican I can't of any Country that is run by a Christian Church. Christian Churches seem to function quite well in a secular society.

The Koran teaches that it is wrong to separate religion from the state and only God can make laws.

Islam does not sit well in a democracy.

Have you read the Bible?

Yes.

Where in the New Testament does it state that women are inferior to men?

Where in the New Testament does it state that women are inferior to men?

Ooh, loads of places - one of the ones you must have heard is in Ephesians: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife...wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

Apart from the Vatican I can't of any Country that is run by a Christian Church. Christian Churches seem to function quite well in a secular society.

Yes, there aren't any any more - because when the churches were in charge, we had centuries of Catholic vs Protestant wars, the Spanish Inquisition and witches being burnt at the stake.

The important point is that in a secular society, religion is fine. Want to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Go knock yourself out. But whenever a religion becomes involved with actually running the society, things go wrong.

Ooh, loads of places - one of the ones you must have heard is in Ephesians: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife...wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

Yeah... the thing with that is that even the catholic church gave up literal interpretations of the bible in 1650, with the Enlightenment.

The islamic faith shows no signs of that whatsoever. In fact its going in the opposite direction. The hardline version of Islam so beloved of ISIS teaches that modern Islam is a perversion of the faith, as it is too liberal and has strayed too far from the true path, by its failure to observe the more medieval tenets of the Koran

Ooh, loads of places

Ok. I'll rephrase. Where in the Gospels?

because when the churches were in charge, we had centuries of Catholic vs Protestant wars

The churches weren't in charge, they had more power then but they were not "in charge". I think Henry VIII demonstrates that quite well. The wars were caused more by colonial expansion than by religion. There was plenty of Catholic vs Catholic and Protestant vs Protestant wars as well.

Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion [committing a religious sin], admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Lovely isn't it?