GoNadz!
I missed that.😆
I knew James Blunt would be useful for something one day. ;o)
https://twitter.com/JamesBlunt/status/1490785719664664576?s=20&t=MeSgcQr_IL3d07xaWHlsBQ
Johnson can’t pretend that he doesn’t understand the effects of his lie/slur about Starmer made under the cover of parliamentary privilege. His team told him in private, and some resigned and repeated their concerns in public. Now his MPs are telling him in public…
https://twitter.com/tobias_ellwood/status/1490785849461460992?s=21
Ironically it does seem that these absolute p****s have now shifted focus back on to Johnson just as he was hoping to move on from all the recent turmoil.
One small silver lining.
I knew James Blunt would be useful for something one day. ;o)
If I were the incumbent at No 10, it wouldn't be so much the worry of James Blunt and his mates turning up as such, but the existential dread that they could bring a guitar and a sound system.
"Not a word about it on front pages of torygraph and sun.
Mail and express not in yet."
Was 2nd story on the Mail online earlier, (interestingly with no comments section), The mail has been sitting on the fence, turning one way then the other for the last few months. There's a bit of a power struggle going on internally at that rag.
With the Telegraph, Spectator etc, right now I don't think it matters wether they report on things or not. Their problem is that their readership is intelligent enough to know that they are being lied to, not just by the government but by their publication of choice as well.
It's obvious that the staffers at those papers knew about the parties (and the procurement corruption) when they happened, so therefore much of what they have written over the last two years will be seen by their readership as disingenuous, misinformative and even manipulative. They know they are being made fools of and are paying a subscription for the privilege.
Not on front pages of either mail or express - how depressingly predictable.
mail has been sitting on the fence, turning one way then the other for the last few months. There’s a bit of a power struggle going on internally at that rag.
It's been bizarre to watch for sure.
One minute building him (BJ) up, the next pouring scorn on him.
I wonder what the average DM reader thinks of that?
(I'm not going for the obvious dig in that last sentence.)
Yeah, the vacillations at the DM are interesting. Dacre is apparently back, but the DMG group has been de-listed from the stock exchange and has been bought by Rothermere Continuation Ltd. No surprises as to where the new holding company is based.
There's two sorts of average daily mail reader, the online version is geared to a younger audience and has built an international profile.
The battle seems to be new skool versus old school. It looked like the brand was going to shift towards the online model, then Dacre came back which was a bit of a shock, even to those who worked there.
My guess is that the old guard came to the conclusion that Brexit was done and the current administration were going to stay in power for ever. They thought that they could drag the newer online audience into the more even more skanky cesspit that is the print version.
Right now I'm not sure the Mail is sure who their average reader is. I think the discussion behind the door is about who their future audience might be, the danger being that they alienate new audiences by being indistinguishable from the Daily Express.
When Tobias Elwood states ‘we are better than this’ he’s either deluded or hopelessly naive. Johnson isn’t ‘better than this’ in the slightest.
Far from it. This is his level. In the gutter. And every day he remains as PM he drags the rest of them down there with him, just as Trump does with all the republicans who still refuse to condemn him, despite everything he’s done
Would anyone be remotely surprised if instead of apologising at PMQ’s tomorrow, instead Johnson doubles down and uses Parliamentary privilege to repeat the slur?
I know which I think is the safer bet
Elwood has already called for him to go last week.
"If I were the incumbent at No 10, it wouldn’t be so much the worry of James Blunt and his mates turning up as such, but the existential dread that they could bring a guitar and a sound system.
Fair point.
When you find yourself agreeing with Ellwood, the world really has gone nuts.
Is sofa's arguement really, he brought up parties I wasn't at (although did attend but thought it was work) so I brought up something he didn't do.
S’alright – Johnson has tweeted how disgraceful the behaviour of the ‘protesters’ was…
He'll be saying there are good and bad on both side next.
He’ll be saying there are good and bad on both side next.
The Trump response to accuse the violent fascist mob of being infiltrated by anti-fascist protesters and it was solely them that caused the violence...
https://twitter.com/Helenspicer15/status/1490763300518387729?t=mdpVBPvA1kEBnshR9y6GjQ&s=19
My letter to my MP
Please can you make sure that Mr Johnson is not let anywhere near a conversation with Mr Putin.
His " oh so funny" quips resulted in Mr Starmer being mobbed by a bunch of his thugs.
An "oh so funny " quip to Mr Putin will result in getting us all killed.
Your prime minister is a dangerous lunatic. Please do all you can to remove him
Keep chipping away people.
Bit ironic that Boris sent Rolf Harris out to harass Keir Starmer about Jimmy Saville.
That guy's a nadty piece of work.
Chris Philp (a minister who has the good fortune to be working for Dorris) on Radio4 spinning on the head of a pin... the PM did nothing wrong linking Savile to Starmer in parliament, using parliamentary privilege to avoid defamation laws... but his words could be "misconstrued" by some to have meant what he said.
I just listened to that. The whole 'yeah but no but....' position is an insult to the intelligence of anyone with anything between their ears, but then that's not the target market, is it?
This is a dog whistle to the Brexity flag-waving, hard-of-thinking base.
The way these ministers are being sent out to spin this, its obviously now policy to keep repeating it (in very carefully couched language). I now fully expect Johnson to abuse parliamentary privilege once again tomorrow to double down and repeat it in full
What needs to happen now is for Lindsey Hoyle to actually grow a pair and boot the **** out of parliament if he does, and for those Tory MP's who are voicing (virtue signalling?) their apparent distaste with this, grow a pair and get those letters in. Put their money where their mouths are, otherwise they're just as complicit
for those Tory MP’s who are voicing (virtue signalling?) their apparent distaste with this, grow a pair and get those letters in.
Why not, then withdraw it a week later and get a knighthood
I now think Johnson wants to force a Tory VoNC, before the reports come out, then he is safe.
I really hope this is doing everlasting damage to the Tory party but based on those I know who are Tory voters I really don't think it has. I still hear, yeah but Labour would be worse all the **** time! Oh and the Telegraph is a "balanced" paper, I can't find a big enough laughing emoticon for that.
I really hope this is doing everlasting damage to the Tory party but based on those I know who are Tory voters I really don’t think it has.
There are enough right-wing "agencies" (for want of a better word) ranging from the out-and-out far-right consipracy groups like QAnon to mainstream media like the Daily Mail to much more friendly-seeming "community" groups (all those One<Borough> things that have sprung up to protest against Low Traffic Neighbourhoods are a good example) subtly spreading disinformation, spin etc to normalise BJ's behaviour, distract from it, demonise Labour, promote Tory.
Brexit comes into it too; he "got Brexit done", the will of the people blah blah whereas Labour, the traitorous bastards, wanted another referendum how undemocratic of them ignoring the will of the people like some sort of elitist rabble!
Third letter (email) sent to my MP in as many weeks. They're declining in their civility.
He responded to the first, not since.
Third letter (email) sent to my MP in as many weeks. They’re declining in their civility.
He responded to the first, not since.
I still think people with a Tory MP should email whether they get a reply or not as I think they will still judge what their constituents think of them and 'may' act accordingly. So if you have a Tory MP get him emailed.
I now think Johnson wants to force a Tory VoNC, before the reports come out, then he is safe.
An interesting piece of gossip has it that several supporters of Johnson have submitted letters to the 1922 committee, ready to withdraw them when the numbers of letters gets to the required tipping point.
What needs to happen now is for Lindsey Hoyle to actually grow a pair
I understand the balance and tradition involved in the Speakers role, but letting Boris and others get away with lies and slander and avoiding answering the questions is pathetic and undermining public confidence in petitions and Parliament, which feeds extremists on all sides.
I'd love Starmer to - repeatedly if necessary - ask the Speaker to make Boris answer the question asked and not spin some random "got Covid done" bollocks. Force the leader of the country to answer a straight question.
I still hear, yeah but Labour would be worse all the **** time!
While unlikely it is difficult to actually argue against as in theory they could be worse.
I saw that earlier, but not sure how true. As the number is not revealed until the threshold met, at which point it's too late
What goes on in parliament is a pantomime. It always has been, its just that now it's beating 'Neighbours' in the ratings.
We are in a situation where the public know the truth, they aren't looking for answers from Johnson or the police, they are asking for action. 2 resignations please.
The political landscape is shifting, not right / left but on the axis of trust. Thats why were seeing the vacillation from the right wing press. They thought thety had a significant portion of the population in their pockets and they've just found out theyve got a hole in their pocket.
While unlikely it is difficult to actually argue against as in theory they could be worse.
Yes true, but there is a difference between would and could.
I honestly don't have much faith in Labour either but I cannot stand this Trump style politics of Johnson.
Whoever is in power it is our duty to hold them accountable.
I saw that earlier, but not sure how true. As the number is not revealed until the threshold met, at which point it’s too late
But if the VONC is forced on the back of half of those forcing it not actually supporting the point - that could be quite clever.
Would the VONC be a secret or open ballot. Morally i'd say if you put a letter in saying you have no confidence you should be obliged to vote that way, but then I look at me typing morally in this context and shake my head at the waste of time that was.
Secret.
The political landscape is shifting, not right / left but on the axis of trust. Thats why were seeing the vacillation from the right wing press. They thought thety had a significant portion of the population in their pockets and they’ve just found out theyve got a hole in their pocket.
Very fair point
I've obviously too much time on my hands as I've emailed the tory responsible for Chelmsford (my last residence in UK).
From the BBC News page
Sir Lindsay Hoyle has been answering questions about parliament and his role as Speaker of the House of Commons.
While he wasn't asked directly about particular MPs making false claims in Parliament, BBC Radio 5 Live's Naga Munchetty asked him "why can't an MP say another one is lying?".
Hoyle says: “We believe that MPs are honourable members and by being honourable members they wouldn’t lie”.
I can see where this is going wrong....
I can see where this is going wrong…
Without a doubt the problem is Johnson, he needs to go.
I think changing the rules would have a long term detrimental effect on Parliament however. It would help if Lindsay Hoyle wasn't so soft on Johnson.
Soft on Johnson, soft on the causes of Johnson....
“We believe that MPs are honourable members and by being honourable members they wouldn’t lie”
But it is only half his job to stop honourable members from calling each other liars, it is also his job to make them correct the record, to Parliament, in person, when they have not been honourable in the house. That includes the PM. If only does half his job, he very quickly looks as if he is working for the PM, not for all in Parliament. The rules don’t need changing, the PM needs to stick to them, and the Speaker needs to do his job and demand that he does.
I know I just typed words to the effect of “The rules are for Johnson as well, not just everyone else”, and that Johnson has always thought and acted otherwise, but that is why he should not be in his job.
The political landscape is shifting, not right / left but on the axis of trust. That's why were seeing the vacillation from the right wing press. They thought they had a significant portion of the population in their pockets and they’ve just found out they've got a hole in their pocket.
Frankly the right wing press doesn't count for much anymore, The Sun is on it's arse, effectively insolvent and even they don't think it can rebound. The Daily Mail still reaches 900k people a day, about 1.3% of the population and it's dropping 10% a year, the rest are far smaller and shrinking quicker.
The Mail will survive, or rather Mailonline will, its huge, biggest online 'news' outlet in the world, but it's not really a newspaper, mailonline trashy 'celeb' news and such. It's readership couldn't give a hoot about British Politics, their biggest market is the US.
Most people in the UK now get their news from TV and online.
I saw that earlier, but not sure how true. As the number is not revealed until the threshold met, at which point it’s too late
Coming back to this, I think the chairman has to go and check with all the letter writers that they still wish their letter to be considered, at which time anyone writing one for dishonest reasons would know the threshold has been reached and be able to withdraw, so taking it below the number again.
Not my knowledge, sure someone said it a few pages previously.
