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I have a meeting with the CEO this afternoon and I am trying to decide how honest to be - I only joined the company 3 months ago and it has been a horrendous mistake, and I feel I was mis-sold the role.

Anyways, I am trapped in the classic middle management bullshit layer where it's hard to get anything done. I was told my role would be more senior than it has turned out to be. Now I am pissed to find someone with a poor track record is being brought in above me at a C-suite level.

I have outlined a change plan for the company to save its ass, and I am now seeking buy in to implement it. And it's unlikely because we'll need to wait for the new golden child to arrive before permission will be granted. And then he'll get the plaudits for my thinking.

So, in my meeting and this arvo do I quote the CEO's words back to him from a presentation he gave last year in which it turns out he very much mis-represented the company to the outside world? My change plan would help him make good on those public comments.

I have started the hunt for a new job as I do want out, but I would rather go on my own terms.

How honest/brave to be?

At the moment I'm feeling balls to the wall...


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 3:13 pm
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Been in this position. Save your time.

Cancel the meeting and spend the hour looking on job sites instead.

If the CEO can't see the problems already, you're not going to convince him to change.


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 3:19 pm
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Posted : 10/11/2014 3:22 pm
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Stay calm and be honest or just don't bother at all. The future is (hopefully) brighter.


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 3:24 pm
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[i]someone with a poor track record is being brought in above me at a C-suite level[/i]

Maybe he doesn't need to ask a forum for advice on how to behave in the corporate word?

I can't believe that someone operating at 'reporting into CEO level' is fannying about on a forum.


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 3:27 pm
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Ouch Gary M! Quick sandwich at my desk and a breather from the email/spreadsheets/ppt that is my day otherwise....


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 3:33 pm
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All or nothing.

He'll either fire you, in which case you'll get your garden leave, or he'll be amazed by your insight and balls and promote you.


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 3:35 pm
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I am now seeking buy in

The middle managements bullshit speak is already starting to manifest, get out whilst you still can!


 
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Does your employer need to "save its ass"?

If so, do you think someone with 90 days experience of this business is the right person to form the "ass save" plan?

Frankly your post is pure "middle management bullshit" as in it uses lots of words to say almost nothing.

I'm guessing from your choice of language you're based in the US?

Anyway, IMO you have to consider your position in terms of 'leverage' your a new employee who plans to tell the CEO that his business needs it's "ass" saved and you only you know how to do it - by all means, you could enjoy spending 30 mins telling him how much of an idiot he is before he sends you packing without a reference, or you could wind your neck in a bit, be a bit more humble and constructive about the situation and sound him out about your plan - he might accept it and perhaps re-think he plan to give you a line manager you don't rate, or at least you can keep earning whilst you find something that befits your ego.


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 3:37 pm
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I have outlined a change plan for the company to save its ass, and I am now seeking buy in to implement it. And it's unlikely because we'll need to wait for the new golden child to arrive before permission will be granted. And then he'll get the plaudits for my thinking.

I'd just go over your plan with the CEO, and ask if he's got any input to your grand scheme if He'd be keen to endorse your ideas to the new boy, be positive no matter what, you're off soon so why burn bridges?

The worst "Middle managers" are the ones who seize on all the problems, offer no solutions or strategies to deal with it and just start hurling blame about, if this fella might be writing you a reference in the coming months do you really want to go calling him a liar and telling He's steering the company towards bankruptcy?


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 3:53 pm
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so did you deliver your Magnum Opus ?


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 7:29 pm
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C-suite level
is that where all the c-words work ?


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 8:18 pm
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I thought it was a C-suite level operator's word for the pee suite.


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 8:37 pm
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C-suite level
is that where all the c-words work ?

I had to Google it. If that's how they speak your company, you're better off out of it.


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 9:06 pm
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Go and chew the fat with the CEO and see if you two can do some blue sky thinking to find a route through this. You never know, there might be a bigger Audi in it for you as well as your own parking spot with the added bonus of seeing your CGrade rival out on his arse.

If all that sounds like your worst nightmare, forget the meeting with the CEO and get on with getting out,

EDIT, if you're being paid for a more senior role but doing a lesser one, shut up and keep taking the money, pride doesn't pay the house off.


 
Posted : 10/11/2014 10:59 pm
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Success!

Was honest up to a point - left the most scathing criticism to the side and simplified the message on the basis of valid feedback here.

Now have the backing I needed and will be able to start moving things forward.

Still some big issues to work through - and I don't think this will be a job i'll stay in long - but at least the story on my CV should turn out to be okay. Phew.


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 2:06 pm
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Is it an American company?


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 2:21 pm
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simplified the message on the basis of valid feedback here.

You're still gibbering. Stop it.

But well done.

Now go and re-learn speaking English proper like.


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 2:48 pm
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a meeting with the CEO
mis-sold the role
middle management
C-suite level
outlined a change plan
seeking buy in
new golden child
make good on those public comments
Do they pay you a shed load of money and give you plenty of time off to roll around in it or spend it? if so suck it up and crack on if not either kill yourself now before middle management corporate spirit sucks your soul,or run/ride for the hills of the real world.
Clue the real world has managers/owners and staff no middle management if there is a C-suite level nobody uses that term or chief any thing as a job title.


 
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THE Most important [s]book [/s] essay you can read right now, really.


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 5:00 pm
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How big is this company you work for exactly?

I only ask as I'm fairly staggered that anyone of any authority in a company would base the contents of a conversation with his CEO on 'valid feedback' from this forum.


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 6:34 pm
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In an American company everyone can be a vice president and the C in C level could be Derek the building manager (caretaker).

Maybe the OP is having a bad day as Dilbert's random mission statement generator has failed to provide the answers?


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 7:27 pm
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This is spam, right?


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 7:33 pm
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This company, does it have B Ark written over the entrance?


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 7:40 pm
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I thought you went [i]out[/i] in a blaze of glory, or down [i]in flames[/i]


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 8:22 pm
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Are you a unicorn?


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 8:35 pm
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[url= http://www.theonion.com/articles/manager-achieves-full-mastery-of-pointless-manager,2622/ ]This entirely relevant article[/url] is probably the best commentary on corporate management speak ever written. ๐Ÿ˜€

webwonkmtber, it'll make a good read.


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 8:41 pm
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Clue the real world has managers/owners and staff no middle management if there is a C-suite level nobody uses that term or chief any thing as a job title.

Not quite. The corporate world my have a lot of shite in it but I am afraid it is real... If you can avoid it - fair play but not all of us can, even those if us who hate management speak, corporate politics etc...


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 8:44 pm
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John drummer - never heard any Jon Bon Jovi?!


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 8:51 pm
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Not quite. The corporate world my have a lot of shite in it but I am afraid it is real... If you can avoid it - fair play but not all of us can, even those if us who hate management speak, corporate politics etc...

You could try "sorry I didn't understand that" or simply respond in plain English.


 
Posted : 11/11/2014 8:52 pm
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SaxonRider - great link!
Sounds like a lot of my colleagues


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 12:10 am
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@ user-removed yes, exactly. Going OUT in a blaze of glory. OP said going DOWN in a blaze of glory.

although having said that, bon jovi is not the first band I listen to so I could be hearing it double wrong ๐Ÿ™‚

nope, sorry my mishtake. ๐Ÿ˜ณ


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 12:13 am
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doods, the OP wants career progression; if he(?) feels the need to go down in front of the C-suite big nobs in order to achieve this, who are we to argue ?


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 12:21 am
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The OP heading to his meeting?
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Posted : 12/11/2014 12:25 am
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I really only understood one word in five of this thread.

But props to the OP for surviving.


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 12:25 am
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If someone joined my company and within 90 days was telling me how we all need to change after having to go to a forum like this for advice I would be thinking "what a c suite!".

Maybe take your head out of your own "ass" before going to the meeting?


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 7:55 am