Anyone seen the ITN news about benefit culture and the single mother in Methyr Tydfill who gets the equivalent in 25k per year for not working.
Incapcity 425
Mobility 250
Child Benefit 133
Child Tax credits 440
Housing Allowance 325
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Did i log on to the daily mail website? 🙄
How about some of the tax dodging scum?
she works hard for that money :S
she's welsh, she deserves it
Bit of a racist remark, OP.
Makes me angry that there's no jobs in Merthyr Tydfil too carbon337.
And now that the Tories are back in, things are set to get much much worst 😐
Of course the Tories will try to deflect criticism by suggesting that none of it is their fault, but all the fault of the "benefit culture".
In fact, I've believe they have already started to shift the blame - even before their disastrous policies have had a chance to bite.
Still, you won't be falling for that one carbon337 - will you ?
Was it not the tories the last time they were in that put a lot of people on incapacity/disability benefit to fudge the buroo figures
so there are no jobs but shes not moved to where there is work ?
our forefathers would have died had they adopted that attitude ...
of course alot of them did die in their quest for work - shipping out to austrailia and canada
the excuse there is no work doesnt wash with me , i moved to a new town with my girlfriend for her uni course without a job and within 6 hours i had a job working in a shop just from walking round the town , within 2 weeks id got an offer of a job as an engineer ...
of course they use the excuse as per the radio today and i quote "i aint not sweeping the streets innit , i want a job i enjoy for a wage that is worth while me coming off benifits" - "what are your qualifications" "couple of a levels"
Fair enough but does anyone other than jedi and s8tannorm have a job they really really enjoy ?
Jeez,
I may as well jack in my job; I wouldn't actually see much of a pay cut TBH! Sponging scum.
Trail rat how is she meant to move to get work if she has no spare cash ?
incapacity benefit. probably means that she is not fit for work. plenty of people that outwardly appear to be fit for work are far from it.
go to most carehomes in the uk and a fair proportion of the staff are non-native.
go to most farms and the pickers are non-native.
There are jobs but there are always excuses why they can't do them.
Problem is she only gets £250 for mobility, and £425 for incapacity. If they swapped that about she'd be more mobile.
I didn't see the programme but if she's getting child benefit I reckon there's a good chance she's got kids - just moving away searching for work and by extension taking the kids out of school isn't very practical. My dad was in the RAF and moving around - I went to 5 different primary schools - is pretty gash to be honest.
By mobility do you mean the mobility component of disability living allowance? This benefit is not means tested - eg, a millionaire could get it as could someone on incapacity or jobseekers allowance. She'll have to have a significant disability to claim it which could also affect her ability to access certain jobs or move away.
I know the system is abused but the examples used on the news are not as widespread as the media would have you believe. The majority of people I have met who are unemployed would much prefer to be working.
Trail Rat - like you some of us have work ethics!
Bad luck and hard times or illness can fall on anyone. I've been off sick and had state help myself (although always got back into work asap). I accept that you can't see into the future when you give birth to children, but it surely can't be right to keep on breeding when you are on benefits and have no intention or prospect of gaining employment.
Having said that, how much did the mps' expenses jamboree cost us taxpayers, and how much did the ensuing enquiry cost too?
the excuse there is no work doesnt wash with me
Indeed ........ just watch a whole lot more people suddenly get lazy, now the Tories are back in power.
I wonder how long you would live her life for, before you realised it probably isn't all that great being a disabled, single parent with no real job prospects?
Some people are so quick to judge, based on what...a sensationalised news story?! 😐
Indeed ........ just watch a whole lot more people suddenly get lazy, now the Tories are back in power.
you're living in a dream world ernie. You're somehow justifying 14 years of inaction by nu labour by blaming the Tories for something they may or may not do as part of a coalition government over the next 4-5 years. Priceless.
Rich - Member
I wonder how long you would live her life for, before you realised it probably isn't all that great being a disabled, single parent with no real job prospects?
Yup. Assuming her claims are actually legit of course, I wouldn't trade a full time job with health and freedom for a life of benefits and disability and looking after 3 kids.
ernie. You're somehow justifying 14 years of inaction by nu labour
I would never try to justify 14 (or even 13) years of inaction by nu labour.
My comments are completely based on factual evidence that Tory governments, through their policies, push unemployment up.
Never at any time during the 18 years when the Tories were last in power, did unemployment ever come down to the level it had been when they were first elected.
Anyone who claims that unemployment is high when the Tories are in power because people suddenly become lazy under Tory governments, is, as you put it, "living in a dream world".
Some people are so quick to judge, based on what...a sensationalised news story?
Nowhere truer than on STW.
My comments are completely based on factual evidence that Tory governments, through their policies, push unemployment up.
Just like the last two Labour governments then - unemployment higher in 2010 than in 1997, and higher in 1979 than in 1974.
All this Tory bashing is histerical... We are living in a broken country that for a generation has been governed by labour, wake up, it's broken... Time to make changes, and at least this coalition offer real change....
Nowhere truer than on STW.
And I'm impressed how presumably, carbon337 had a pen and paper ready to jot down the figures as the ITN news presenter spoke.
Do you think he had an inclination that there would be a sensational news story ?
Just like the last two Labour governments then
No, not like that. Read it again :
[i]Never at any time during the 18 years when the Tories were last in power, did unemployment ever come down to the level it had been when they were first elected.[/i]
Most of the time during all the New Labour governments of 1997-2010, unemployment was lower than it had been when they first got elected. The Tories over 18 years never managed to do that. And 18 years is a long time to sort things out.
You can spin it as much as you want, but you can't change the facts.
Maybe he just has a PVR 😕
Maybe he just has a PVR
What, he video recorded the news ?
So that he could play it back and make notes concerning the most sensational news stories ?
What a good idea 😀
You can spin it as much as you want, but you can't change the facts.
You're doing enough spinning for both of us Ernie.
How come Labour in their 13 years never managed to bring unemployment back down to 1979 rates if they were so wonderful (having inherited falling unemployment in 1997)?
What, he video recorded the news ?
I presume you've not got a PVR then Ernie - that being a device which allows you to pause and rewind what you're watching automatically.
I presume you've not got a PVR then Ernie
No I haven't. But I think I'm going to get one now - they sound like a really good idea 8)
Having said that, I'm still not entirely convinced by these newfangled "home computer" thingamajigs
..........if it weren't for the porn, I don't think I would have bothered.
Oh sorry aracer I forgot :
How come Labour in their 13 years never managed to bring unemployment back down to 1979 rates
They did. Have a look :
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Uk annual budget, the big orange bit is benefits....
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so looking at that chart, all we need to do is drive the sick and idle into the sea and we'll save nearly half our budget for tax cuts for deserving millionnaires
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nuff said really.
Despite all the political chat you don't get incapacity benefit for nothing. Looks to me like someone with a disability that prevents them working gets a good amount (more than i get for working but about where i would like to be to doing ok cash wise...). I'm fine with that. Wake me up when we do a big rant on the lazy gits who don't work through choice. I bet they don't get 25k though.
Don't get sick. Don't grow old. Don't be poor. Do what you're told.
you'd have to pay me triple that to live in Methyr Tydfill
They did. Have a look
Oops, sorry - I'd forgotten lots of the economically inactive weren't "unemployed" by that point.
I used to live in Merthyr (and my parents still do) and there's some naive/gullible people here if you don't think there's a culture of benefits sponging there. I'm sure there are also a lot of decent people who want to work and don't have many opportunities but there are a heck of a lot of people that just want to bleed the benefits system dry
qcamel - MemberAll this Tory bashing is histerical... We are living in a broken country that for a generation has been governed by labour, wake up, it's broken... Time to make changes, and at least this coalition offer real change....
Piffle - under Labour crime has decreased massivly, child and pensioner poverty decresed, healthcare improved.
"Broken Britain" does not really exist - and most of the social problems are a legacy of The tories deliberate policy of creating unemployment to drive wage costs down. "Broken Britain" is a "big lie" technique from the tory press to drive folk into voting tory out of fear.
Aracer - you mean all the folk that the tories moved of the unemployment register? 28 changes to counting methods that halved the headline number of folk unemployed.
Jeezo memories are short.
As for the coalition offering real change? Don't be ridiculous - a slightly harsher version of the same thing.
duntmatter - Member
"Don't get sick. Don't grow old. Don't be poor. Do what you're told."
High cultural references today 
This country's going down the tubes, I can't afford to pay my dues
"Broken Britain" does not really exist - and most of the social problems are a legacy of The tories deliberate policy of creating unemployment to drive wage costs down. "Broken Britain" is a "big lie" technique from the tory press to drive folk into voting tory out of fear.
Billions in deficit, unions bringing industry to a standstill, spending beyond our income, a benefit system that is abused by some and not enforced, more pointless red tape for business year on year for over a decade, 50% tax rate for those that already contribute the most, and civil liberties and privacy encroched beyond recognition... Feels pretty broken to me.....
whatever you want to say about the benefits system deciding to get draconian on people at a time of rising unemployment, fewer employment opportunities and low to zero growth is destined to fail. In all seriousousness without a commitment to full employment what F@CKING jobs do you people expect them to take are there about 3 million unfilled vacancies?
PS If you are better off on benefits than working we really should be equally angry that employers can get away with paying people less than the bare minimum the state has worked out they require to be above the poverty line.
PPS I work with th elong term unemploymed and frankly with a certain percentage - no skills, education, motivation or ability to hold down employment- will turn to crime rather than work so you can pay them benefits or pay for prisons the later is cheaper for those on the right who like to save money.