My dad married a bitch with a scumbag of a son. He has not worked since the 80s, his kids produce babies for a living and he is currently screwing my brother and I out of quarter of a million quid.
He is able bodied ,a total **** and should have his benefits capped and then killed.
Harsh but fair.
I'm not Labour, Ton but I'm clearly a socialist, There's a lot more to it than simply fair pay for fair work. The Labour movement was founded on socialist and Union principles, the stronger come together to protect the weaker, everyone in society provides value weather it's obvious or not immediately evident. Child rearing is vital to the community and the country. The days of the man being a breadwinner for the little wife have gone, but it's vital we support mothers that are working just as hard rearing our future, as a manual grafting builder.. Its work, just a different kind
Child rearing is vital to the community and the country
Planet earth does not need people to be having 7 children.
Technicalinept, Google urban area over unpopulated area of UK landmass. We ain't overcrowded by a long Chalk. Another myth to feed the weak minded
Oh yes, I forgot there's loads of flood plains were can keep building on.
i will stick with my opening post. bed now tho.....up for work in the morning, same as the last 35 years. afterall someone must feed the coffers eh......... 😆
Do you really want to get in to a discussion about how land ownership and the mismanagement thereof, combined with bad farming practices to satisfy grants eligibility are creating flooding...
Goodnight, but dream about how those 7 kids will be paying taxes that will provide the care for us when we're retired and infirm...
We ain't overcrowded by a long Chalk. Another myth to feed the weak minded
Can I join in?
Prisons are fairly overcrowded, by a lot of workshy shitebags who'll never be any benefit to humanity. They still get out & breed though, & carry on claiming benefits.
I've stopped referring to some prisoners as 'pondlife' because pond life is/are vital to the ecological system of the planet.
Workshy, or unable to find work in the communities where industry has been decimated by ideologically neoliberal parties since 1979, so turning to crime where the only other choice is benefits.
I'll refer again to the JRF study in to unemployment and economic inactivity brings the actual unemployment figure nearer 6 million, with an available vacancies of 500000 at any one time.
I've told the tale of ten dogs and one bone on here before, the outcome never changes and nor can it
Workshy, or unable to find work in the communities where industry has been decimated by ideologically neoliberal parties since 1979, so turning to crime where the only other choice is benefits.
Some (not all) are workshy, & have admitted it, IE, 'why the **** should I work when I can claim/graft' (burgle & rob, basically)
A large % of the prison population have no interest in work on release, even though a big majority have the opportunity to learn beneficial skills in prison.
They've been systematically excluded from society by a clear lack of opportunity to advance, since before leaving school, so is it any wonder they turn their back on society and "own" being a grafter?
I'll bet my arse that the ones you described while daft enough to get caught ain't thick as pigshit by any other measure, they saw the writing on the wall for their life prospects a long time ago
i don't think there's any debate needed here. the country is absolutely riddled with scumbags with no aspirations in life only to smoke , drink, get high and shag and pop out a brood of 6 +. you would have to be living in a bunker to have not seen it for the past 30+ years. why would you make a effort when your born into a cesspit and get everything handed to you at the expense of the decent normal , moral living chunk of the population.
The sooner a guaranteed basic income scheme is implemented in this country then the sooner we can avoid the sneering that those who claim benefits are subjected to by those in a more fortunate position.
Look above, there will always be those who sneer.
I'll bet my arse that the ones you described while daft enough to get caught ain't thick as pigshit
I really REALLY wish you could have a shift on C wing. You clearly know little or nothing about some prisoners.
Off to bed now, WORKING tomorrow, like I have for the past 45 years.
Sweet dreams.
our whole family genealogy from both side is working class.that didn't stop any of us getting an education, trades and careers and having an outlook in life. if you want something you can aspire to it.
The sooner a guaranteed basic income scheme is implemented in this country then the sooner we can avoid the sneering that those who claim benefits are subjected to by those in a more fortunate position.
This.
I hope policy makers are watching Ontario about now.
the sooner we can avoid the sneering that those who claim benefits are subjected to by those in a more fortunate position.
That will never happen sadly.
Some people enjoy it to much to stop 🙄
I rather 10 of those rated 'undeserving' get benefits than one person who needs it to live misses out.
I love all this talk of 'topping up the coffers' and 'somebody has got to'. The reality is that unless you are earning a lot more than prison officer wages then your not even paying for yourself mate.
Any hospital treatment, pension, child birth ect and you're being looked after yourself...
Why do people still fall for these types of programmes? Surely you know the script by now?
Because I have cousins that are [i]exactly[/i] like that (I have nothing to do with them BTW):
Mum and dad never worked officially
Dad does the odd cash-in-hand job to buy more fags
5 kids by two different fathers
Dad drinks a lot and smokes too
5 bed council house they pay sod-all for
Big screen TV's, Sky package and Ipads
1 of the above kids who has had two kids by two fathers
She doesn't work either with a 3 bed house 'that she deserves'
Always complaining about how 'hard done by' they all are but never actually doing anything about it.
They're not the only ones on their estate like this, hell they're not even the worst!! And this is not some inner city ghetto or abandoned council estate, it's in a wealthy area in a National Park. My mum worked out that, as a family in total, they get roughly £35K of benefits every year 😯
The benefits system is designed to help people in genuine need (like Drac's example) and I don't begrudge that at all but when you can see extreme spongers draining the system in your own family and on your own doorstep you very quickly get a polarised opinion of the situation.
5 kids by two different fathers
1 of the above kids who has had two kids by two fathers
Do we still judge women like this?
Good post, muggo.
Misdirection. Make a TV programme about some scroungers subbing it off the state so that the masses will lap it up and won't notice how the establishment is screwing them over to the tune of £Billions every year.
And it obviously works.
Switch your TV off and stop watching propaganda like this.
A basic income would not come close to supporting families like those in this programme. They would take basic income ++++
If the state pays benefits that allow people who don't want to work to keep not working thats what they'll do. If having young kids means you "cannot" work that's what people will do, doubly so if benefits increase fhe more kids you have. Most people don't have 6 kids as they can't afford it.
At the very least see it for what it is.
I watched it, just as well have been produced by the Daily Express.
Edit, speaking of the Daily Express /\/\
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population/
Absolutely staggering figures if correct, the world population has pretty much doubled in my lifetime from ~3.8 billion in the early 1970s to ~7.6 billion today.
The UK population has increased from ~55 million to over 65 million over the same timescale, ~18% increase with more of us living in urban areas, while the median age has risen from ~34 to ~40 (no doubt due to net migration).
The UK is doomed round about the time when many of us on these forums will be retiring, around 2040. By ~2060, once we are pushing up the daisies, things might improve again (depending upon population size and net migration levels).
How did we let the benefits system get so far out of control? The 50p Housing Benefit cap might cripple some claimants, but it could also force landlords to reduce rents, rather than "endless" Housing Benefit money encouraging them to raise prices.
while the median age has risen from ~34 to ~40 (no doubt due to net migration)
How is that due to net migration? Isn't it mostly to do with baby boomers living longer but their kids having fewer kids of their own?
Scotroutes has it in one.
How is that due to net migration? Isn't it mostly to do with baby boomers living longer but their kids having fewer kids of their own?
http://visual.ons.gov.uk/birthsanddeaths/
The lowest recorded annual number of births in the twentieth century was 569,259 in 1977.
Some rose tinted glasses on this fourm. How many of yous live or work in around council estates? Stop trying to polish it up, the amount of low life scum is real, and they are taking a fair whack of money. Then on the other side you got 'lords' getting £300 per day to sleep. Which is no better.
Would anyone like to swap lives with any of those depicted? Personally i think a benefit cap is a move in the right direction but provision of decent public sector housing should come first, most of the headline figures are pretty much down to sky-high rental costs
The lowest recorded annual number of births in the twentieth century was 569,259 in 1977.
Fair enough, so it was the boomers themselves not having kids.
Still doesn't answer the migration point.
Whilst I agree TV programs like this aren't representative of the norm there is a lot fundamentally broken with our benefits system.
Personally I think most benefits should be in the form of food and electric/gas 'stamps', sure there might be a bit of stigma attached but sorry that's one of the downsides of the state supporting you. People on benefits smoking/drinking is a joke, they aren't basic requirements and consumption can actually cause even more of a burden on the state.
It's also still far too easy to get out of working even if you're able to do so (I know quite a few people doing it). It used to be claiming a bad back etc. but whilst that was tightened up on the 'new' thing is claiming mental health issues. This not only means people signed off long-term (without needing to be showing an effort to find work or attend regular job centre meetings) but also provides additional benefits and takes scarce resources away from those with genuine mental health issues.
I'm glad I live in a country with the safety net of a benefits system, even though I've been employed since 22 but it should be just that, a safety net for those in desperate need, not an alternative way of living as you don't want to do a certain type of job (or it's not worth doing as the pay isn't more than you receive on benefits).
[quote> http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population/
Absolutely staggering figures if correct, the world population has pretty much doubled in my lifetime from ~3.8 billion in the early 1970s to ~7.6 billion today.
The UK population has increased from ~55 million to over 65 million over the same timescale, ~18% increase with more of us living in urban areas, while the median age has risen from ~34 to ~40 (no doubt due to net migration).
The UK is doomed round about the time when many of us on these forums will be retiring, around 2040. By ~2060, once we are pushing up the daisies, things might improve again (depending upon population size and net migration levels).
This is a fascinating look at population growth [url= https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth#t-408156 ]Hans Rosling TED talk[/url]
I'm not reading this thread, can't be bothered.
I just wanted to point out that Hinterland was on BBC Wales at the same time and you lot were watching the wrong channel.
What Scotroutes said.
It's the TV equivalent of internet trolling. The BBC probably has a quota of this kind of crap to make or it loses the licence fee.
Technicalinept, Google urban area over unpopulated area of UK landmass. We ain't overcrowded by a long Chalk. Another myth to feed the weak minded
Oh yes we ****ing are.
Another oversimplified argument to make the hand wringing, guardian reading socialist elite make themselves feel "oh so superior".
Brilliant rebuttal
Did you Google what i asked, or did you, as i kinda suspect, just make that up...
Hmmmm see last 7 words of my quote.
As a population, the UK average lifespan has increased since 1970 to 2010, moreso for men than women (from ~69/75 to ~79/83).
http://visual.ons.gov.uk/how-has-life-expectancy-changed-over-time/
But net migration has had a significant effect on the UK population size growth since ~1990.
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-impact-of-migration-on-uk-population-growth/
The percentage of births to non-UK originating women has increased over that timeframe, being 27% in 2014, according to that earlier link.
http://visual.ons.gov.uk/birthsanddeaths/
The meridian age will have increased partially due to people living longer on average, net migration appears to be the most significant factor, as to why the UK population is growing.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/mar2017
How many of yous live or work in around council estates?
Mrs B does, as a SENCO - with the unofficial devolution of social work to schools and other agencies she sees this day in day out.
50/50 on deserving hard times cases vs. families that have deliberately engineered overcrowding to bump one of them up a social housing list.Proudly telling her that. Or making no efforts even with multiple agency involvement to address their childrens problems, as classing them as a disability affords better benefits payments.
But on balance, life on benefits isn't one I'd choose, and the overriding feeling is one of pity for the ones really trying and just not getting the additional help that could really make a difference.
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Stop trying to polish it up, the amount of low life scum is real, and they are taking a fair whack of money...
That's the thing though, rmac-
andthe amount
is never quantified.a fair whack
10? 20? 1000? 10000?
In other words, where are the validated numbers that [i]show[/i] us that we actually have a problem?
I've never seen any, for all that there have been dozens of these programs by now. Have you got some?