[Closed] At the current rate of deterioration in the global weather systems patterns!

Right wrong answers you say graham.
So I have two children and one is a boy born on tuesday ....what are the odds that the other child is a boy 😉
Now that would confuse 😛

The aim of my research is to learn and understand, who gives a shit about being right or wrong?

If we go into a situation and learn all that we can, is that not the best way to ensure we get the most out of each situation?

Right and wrong is simply the way fools perceive the world, when you go down the right and wrong, winner or loser road, all you get is egotism fueled idiocy and games of the mind that have no real world benefits!

Junkyard, he's trying to work stuff out, don't take the pee.

Kaesae - what is it exactly that you wish to know about?

Right and wrong is simply the way retards see the world

Molgrips I am not sure he is we keep giving him information and his argument jumps around all over the place

He has no interest in truth therefore he has no interest in learning...why dont you try then?

Can you tell me who funds the BGS?

We do mainly, according to wiki:
"The BGS has an annual budget of £57M, about half of which comes from the government's Science Budget, with the remainder coming from commissioned research from the public and private sectors."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Geological_Survey

are there other sources that can be used preferably ones that have independent funding to varify what is being said?

"Independent funding"? Independent of what exactly?

The aim of my research is to learn and understand, who gives a shit about being right or wrong?

Well personally I prefer to learn and understand things that are actually correct or at least our best theory. YMMV.

Right and wrong is simply the way fools perceive the world, when you go down the right and wrong, winner or loser road, all you get is egotism fueled idiocy and games of the mind that have no real world benefits!

Hmmm.. I find you get informed, factual and reasoned debate that educates and challenges.

Again YMMV - particularly if you are not fond of facts or evidence and have none of your own to offer.

Kaesae,

I've been reseraching stellar forces and I've managed to find the following information

When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

Could you incorporate this into some sort of theory

I detect a tone of nasty piss-taking on this thread that I do not think is called for.

Yep, play nice richmtb. Harmony and understanding please.
No more falsehoods or derisions.

He called us retards[since changed to fools] and if you search the thread the insults are largely from the person you are defending Molly with the odd piss take when folk are sick of it.

Perhaps you reap what you sow?

Your right Graham

its time to let some sunshine in

I detect a tone of nasty piss-taking on this thread that I do not think is called for.

Whereas, I detect a tone of jocular piss-taking on this thread that I do think is absolutely called for. (-:

With molgrips on this one tbh. A bit of mob mentallity and bullying seems to be developing.

Given the nonsence that Kaesae has been coming out with I think people have been remarkably restrained and that far more derision should be used.

I detect a tone of nasty piss-taking on this thread that I do not think is called for.

You are entitled to your opinion.

Personally speaking though, when someone spouts a load of bollx, and then ignores all form of factual correction he is offered, and just spouts more bollx, then calls everyone retards (then loses his bottle and changes it to fools) I think they deserve a healthy dose of piss taking.

(they don't listen to facts, or answer questions, so what's left ?)

Bullying have you read the thread

Considering the paucity of his argument and his reaction to facts we have been pretty gentle; there is lots of ammunition there

Have you seen how rude he is to those who he disagrees with?

See the last page where attempts were made to explain stuff to him and his reaction.
His debating style is somewhat luid, his ideas ill conceived and poorly explained [ in fact not at all]
He has been treated with kid gloves tbh given what he is spouting

It doens't look like Kaesae is trying to tell you stuff, he's outlining how he sees it and is inviting you to discuss it further. Taking the pee isn't helping. It only seems to serve to amuse you at someone else's expense. This I do not like.

I don't really understand how you can square this:

If we go into a situation and learn all that we can, is that not the best way to ensure we get the most out of each situation?

with this:

Right and wrong is simply the way fools perceive the world

If you're not concerned with what's right and what's not, then what have you got?

he's outlining how he sees it and is inviting you to discuss it further

And when we discuss it he ignores our answers and calls us egoists, fools and retards. 😕

Anyway, if this thread is moving from (partially) informed debate into pointless arguing then I'm out. [i]*flounce*[/i]

To be fair 'grips, I seem to remember a similar thread a couple of years ago where someone who had an idea about the way light travels through glass got a roasting from you and a couple of others. It is nice to see you have a different attitude these days.

I think some of you are being a little hard on the old K'man. You criticise him for not offering an argument when all you offer is contradiction. People shouldn't be so quick to dismiss someone's idea because they think its bunkum. A very quick (literally 5 mins) search starts to show professional researches looking at effects similar to what Kaesae is talking about. For example:

Title: Does the Sun work as a nuclear fusion amplifier of planetary tidal forcing? A proposal for a physical mechanism based on the mass-luminosity relation
Author(s): Scafetta, Nicola
Source: JOURNAL OF ATMOSPHERIC AND SOLAR-TERRESTRIAL PHYSICS Volume: 81-82 Pages: 27-40 DOI: 10.1016/j.jastp.2012.04.002 Published: JUN 2012

Title: Multi-scale harmonic model for solar and climate cyclical variation throughout the Holocene based on Jupiter-Saturn tidal frequencies plus the 11-year solar dynamo cycle
Author(s): Scafetta, Nicola
Source: JOURNAL OF ATMOSPHERIC AND SOLAR-TERRESTRIAL PHYSICS Volume: 80 Pages: 296-311 DOI: 10.1016/j.jastp.2012.02.016 Published: MAY 2012

Title: Phase lags of solar hemispheric cycles
Author(s): Murakoezy, J.; Ludmany, A.
Source: MONTHLY NOTICES OF THE ROYAL ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY Volume: 419 Issue: 4 Pages: 3624-3630 DOI: 10.1111/j.1365-2966.2011.20011.x Published: FEB 2012

All of these are articles that cite a paper which was found through this site:

http://www.nasca.org.uk/index.html

A website which is very questionable.

Kaesae, while I don't agree with many (most) of your ideas or the way you communicate them, I like that you are thinking about things.

Thing is there are actaully far more interesting and weird theories out there that have some actual basis in science

Give [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle ]Holographic Principle[/url] a try.

There is plenty of stuff to debate without just randomly throwing about words like "stellar", "cosmic" and "forces"

To be fair 'grips, I seem to remember a similar thread a couple of years ago where someone who had an idea about the way light travels through glass got a roasting from you and a couple of others.

I don't really remember, but I do try in general (and always have as an adult) to restrict my piss taking to light ribbing. I don't like to properly attack people, although sometimes I am misinterpreted.

I don't think Kaesae is trying to tell us that silly things are actually true though, despite how it appears.

I don't think he knows much about science or how to think about things scientifically, but he's admitted that several times. With that in mind, I can't see how he's trying to persuade us of any facts.

I don't think Kaesae is trying to tell us that silly things are actually true though, despite how it appears.

I don't think he knows much about science or how to think about things scientifically, but he's admitted that several times. With that in mind, I can't see how he's trying to persuade us of any facts.

Agree and agree.

I just felt the tone of the thread had swung from gentle ribbing/massively patronising to bit more like bullying. Which I didn't think was fair.

I have proposed a possible alternative cause for what is happening to this world and solar system.

what?

...to restrict my piss taking to light ribbing

...for their pleasure.

well he is a giver

It doens't look like Kaesae is trying to tell you stuff, he's outlining how he sees it and is inviting you to discuss it further. Taking the pee isn't helping. It only seems to serve to amuse you at someone else's expense. This I do not like.

Ripping the pish out of stupid people isn't big or clever.
It is fun though, and I would just like to thank kaesae for his sterling work in providing such a large and slow moving target

kaesae - Member

The aim of my research is to learn and understand, who gives a shit about being right or wrong?

The aim of my research is to learn and understand, who gives a shit about being right or wrong?

The stupidity of this statement is quite frankly staggering.

You call what you are doing "research"

And yet you say you don't give a shit wether it is right or wrong.

If thats the case, seriously, what you are doing is not "Research" of any kind.

It just called "reading random stuff online"

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Dumbledore is a liar.

It was Yoda that said that !

Dumbledore is a liar.
It was Yoda that said that !

Level 1 😀

The aim of my research is to learn and understand, who gives a shit about being right or wrong?

If we go into a situation and learn all that we can, is that not the best way to ensure we get the most out of each situation?

Right and wrong is simply the way fools perceive the world, when you go down the right and wrong, winner or loser road, all you get is egotism fueled idiocy and games of the mind that have no real world benefits!

How about if we forget all of the other parts of this thread and say that they were a means by which we could all express ourselves and agree on how we should behave if we want to achieve a stable environment that could potentially lead to progress in researching this?

I have some questions for anyone really but in particular anyone with an understanding of geology.

Is there any body of work that has recorded or indexed signs of excessive flooding around the world left on rock formations?

Also is there any anthropological studies that have focused on mass migrations of humans and their causes?

Is there any other ways that anyone can think of to identify areas of flooding on a large scale?

Also is there any kind of record left in rocks or ancient tree's or anything else for us to be able to evaluate rain fall in certain areas around the world at different periods in history?

Is there any body of work that has recorded or indexed signs of excessive flooding around the world left on rock formations?

It's widely studied. Geologists are always looking for such evidence, it tells all sorts of stories about what's happened in the past. There was an absolutely gigantic flood event covering half the US Mid-West in one big flood at some point many thousands of years ago, there was a Horizon about it I think.

Also is there any anthropological studies that have focused on mass migrations of humans and their causes?

Er yeah, that seems to be a major topic of anthropology research.

Is there any other ways that anyone can think of to identify areas of flooding on a large scale?

There are loads. Sediment layers are a big one.

Also is there any kind of record left in rocks or ancient tree's or anything else for us to be able to evaluate rain fall in certain areas around the world at different periods in history?

Afaik they do this by looking at distribution of tiny animals and stuff like plant pollen, to identify what was living at a particular spot and thence conclude what the conditions were like.

You need to get yourself down the bookshop, the popular science section, and have a look for books on these subjects. It's all out there.

EDIT not the mid-west, the northwest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missoula_Floods That's the one I was thinking of. However there are more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outburst_flood

Is there any body of work that has recorded or indexed signs of excessive flooding around the world left on rock formations?

It's widely studied. Geologists are always looking for such evidence, it tells all sorts of stories about what's happened in the past. There was an absolutely gigantic flood event covering half the US Mid-West in one big flood at some point many thousands of years ago, there was a Horizon about it I think.

Yeah possibly the largest flood ever known, carved vast canyons in as little as week.

You might also want to take a look at the history of the mediteranean sea. Its been a dry valley rather than a sea at least once in its history. The opening of the straights of Gibraltar and the flooding of the mediteranean is belived to be the foundation of the biblical deluge story.

The opening of the straights of Gibraltar and the flooding of the mediteranean is belived to be the foundation of the biblical deluge story

Yeah although I think that people are looking to find origins where there aren't necessarily any at all. The biblical flood story could have been entirely made up, and the fact that most cultures have a similar stories, even ones that didn't grow up anywhere near the Med.

Looks like large scale flooding is a common occurrence and happens regularly, how much of the polar ice caps have melted and do we know where the water from them is likely to be deposited?

Looks like large scale flooding is a common occurrence and happens regularly

Yep. No sign of those "[i]several world floods[/i]" that are "[i]part of a cycle that our planet goes through regularly[/i]" though?

Hmmm...

I take it I should feel impressed with your response or put off perhaps from posting by the general consensus that I am an idiot for voicing my thoughts, just for the record I am without a doubt everything you think of me and much more.

However I have managed to form a thought in my mind hallelujah! looking at it backwards to the normal view, do we have records of periods in the earths past when the weather was favorable, how regular and widespread are these areas and how long do these conditions normally last?

Ok Kaesae you've probably been asked this already but I'll try again.

There seem to be 5 options, which is right?

a. You really believe the 'non-mainstream theories' you post.
b. You are genuinely confused about these issues and looking for clarification.
c. You are some form of elaborate troll.
d. Sometimes a, sometimes b, sometimes c,
e. [url=

calling orson, this is mork calling orson...[/url]

I take it I should feel impressed with your response or put off perhaps from posting by the general consensus that I am an idiot for voicing my thoughts, just for the record I am without a doubt everything you think of me and much more.

Please don't play the martyr card again. I am not attacking you, only your argument.

You didn't voice a thought, you stated really quite categorically:
"[i]There have been several world floods, it's part of a cycle that our planet goes through regularly..."
[/i]
I'm simply pointing out that some regional flooding is not the same thing as a several global floods.

do we have records of periods in the earths past when the weather was favorable,

Favourable to what? We could use proxy measures for climate but no one can tell you weather on a given day or year.
A number of folk have explained the difference between weather and climate on this thread

Yes I did state and actually believe that we can see flooding that affects the entire world, not as in the whole world is under several feet of water, but flooding that effects all of the major land masses to varying degree's.

We could call this period a world flood or a world storm, after having observed how wet it has been for the past few years, it is not hard to imagine a world where there are large areas under water or when our capacity to produce sufficient food to support the UK's population will occur.

Perhaps we do not need to worry about the weather or earth quakes, maybe an eruption or two, the human race is so powerful that we need concern ourselves with nothing but amusing ourselves.

On the other hand perhaps we are a race going through the evolutionary equivalent of puberty and will wake up to the current situation and threats that we face!

not as in the whole world is under several feet of water, but flooding that effects all of the major land masses to varying degree's.

Right! See I'm not sure I'd call that a "world flood", but yes if we continue to see melting of the polar ice caps then more water will be released into the world's oceans potentially causing the sea levels to rise and [i]some[/i] areas to be flooded.

Another issue is that the introduction of lots of fresh water might alter salinity levels potentially endangering some sealife and altering natural currents.

But the oceans are very large so it really depends how much ice cap we lose.

There is a possible feedback mechanism whereby the melting glacial ice causes trapped greenhouse gases to be released whilst also providing less "white" to reflect back the sun.

Which would be bad.

My understanding is that all the water here is all the water we have ever had so I am not sure where we get the water from for a massive world flood - by which I assume you mean a worldwide flood with lots of areas flooded but not the entire world underwater