When and how is it going to end?
Never
Stalemate
his arrest and deportation
No idea, as soon as possible
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Pfft! Who gives a toss about Ecuador?
I say we go in and get him!
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cost 14 million tax payers quids so far, while pensioners are afraid to go out at night, pathetic waste of cash
I say we go in and get him!
what for?
Swedish and UK govts acting like tinpot dictatorships.
He is on the telly now, showing off the fact he really does deserve a hoof in the slats.
Calling his current state a "detention" is laughable. If he wants to end it, then he can open the door and walk out.
This fascinates me.
I've never been to the Ecuadorean embassy, but is there a bobby or two permanently stationed outside comparing every departing person to a "Wanted" picture they're holding?
It does surprise me that there's been no attempt to smuggle him out in a diplomatic bag/the rubbish/by the back door etc.
You couldn't make it up - he has just asked that someone flapping their gums in the background be made to shut up because he didn't agree with Assange.
What sort of fool thinks he is some sort of hero?
what for?
Bail act offences
Laughable due to the cost and the plain fact he's been there for years now.
I expect he'll end his days there, well not quite.. see once he starts needing care they'll hoof him out.
Are the Yanks going to F him over given a chance-Yes
Are the Charges against him in Sweden a bit dodgy and just an excuse to deport him-Yes
But did he go out of his way to spike the Yanks-Oh yes.
I have some sympathy for him. (although there is some question as to whether his actions cost lives.)
However, he walked in to this mess and the Ecuadorian embassy.
He can walk out of the embassy any time he likes.
Compensation- say £10m leave the cheque for him at the front desk of Scotland Yard
You couldn't make it up - he has just asked that someone flapping their gums in the background be made to shut up because he didn't agree with Assange.What sort of fool thinks he is some sort of hero?
Well clearly nickc does...
I say we go in and get him!
what for?Swedish and UK govts acting like tinpot dictatorships.
For wanting to interview him on the grounds that he's been accused of serious sexual assault?
Presumably, if it was a female relative of yours, you'd be perfectly happy for the jackass responsible to have it away on his toes, then thumb his nose at you and your family from his self-imposed 'confinement'.
Deary, Deary me... 🙄
When and how is it going to end?
As soon as he steps outside. Sniper
Swedish and UK govts acting like tinpot dictatorships.
He's a fugitive from justice. Guess your happy thst he avoids the law because of his celebrity status? Oh hang on, wasn't that Jimmiy Savile or Cyril Smith?
I greatly admire Edward Snowden and Assange. The way they have been treated is comparable with the way Putin deals with people who reveal embarrassing facts about his régime.
Read Wikileaks from time to time, with a pinch of salt if you wish, if you find yourself finding stuff hard to believe then remind yourself that much stranger and more malicious has been proven to be true.
Tony Blair is still free despite killing thousands on the basis of lies. Snowden and Assange are guilty of telling the truth.
What's that got to do with a warrant for his extradition to Sweden to face charges of rape? Your suggesting he should be exempt from the rule of law? I don't see Sweden as the oppressive regime likely to issue a warrant for someone's arrest without justification. Or am I missing the conspiracy theory here .....
Pawsy_Bear - MemberSwedish and UK govts acting like tinpot dictatorships.
He's a fugitive from justice. Guess your happy thst he avoids the law because of his celebrity status? Oh hang on, wasn't that Jimmiy Savile or Cyril Smith?
Good work linking a completely unrelated person to a paedophile for maximum outrage points and then claiming someone is "happy" about it. Do you write for the Daily Mail?
It doesn't matter, he is in a foreign embassy, he is for all intents and purposes on Ecuadorian soil. We don't go charging into foreign embassies because it's a pain, we don't do it because it would be a huge mistake - if we don't observe those diplomatic agreements, when why should another foreign state observe ours? The whole system falls down; wars have escalated from less.
How will it end? Well, frankly the Guy is a bit of a dick, so not quietly - The Met has long removed the massive cordon around the embassy - I think off the record the Met and the Government would be happy if he 'escaped' the embassy and sodded of to Ecuador, but IMO he loves the attention to much and it's a bit too close to the US for his liking, rather live in a pretty agreeable apartment in the back of the embassy with a garden and anything he liked brought into him, it's better than prison of course. I don't think the US will allow the UK to agree with the EU and simply call off the Manhunt as much as we'd like to, nor will Sweden drop the case - so either the EU will force us to drop it or he'll sit on his arse for another 4 years until the statue is up on the last charge in Sweden - but he's never going to be left alone by the US.
It might look like I’m sat in my living room eating a pork pie but really I’m being arbitrarily detained.
I demand compensation!
Rachel
For wanting to interview him on the grounds that he's been accused of serious sexual assault?
Go..as a certain tin foil hat wearer of this parish is fond of saying...do your own research, on the "crime" he's been accused of.
INdeed and all the swedes need to do is swear they will not allow the US to get their hands on him whilst they charge him with the [trumped up] charge. Its little more than an attempt at visible external rendition to the US.
If he were not who he was and he had not been wikileaks none of this would be happening
Calling his current state a "detention" is laughable. If he wants to end it, then he can open the door and walk out.
where he will subsequently be arrested so he is detained in the embassy unable to leave. Its not hard, even for a lawyer, to work this out.
He is not free to leave therefore he is detained there.
that x 1000INdeed and all the swedes need to do is swear they will not allow the US to get their hands on him whilst they charge him with the [trumped up] charge. Its little more than an attempt at visible external rendition to the US.
I was suggesting that those that support him were ignoring the legal requirement for his lawful extradition. Asange is just trying to avoid a lawful arrest by linking his celebrity notoriety to avoid justice much like other notable did successfully.
It wasn't about them being a pedophile it was about avoiding arrest because you have some sort of status that makes you a special case.
I think from the evidence Sweeden has a legal case for him to answer. Otherwise the warrant wouldn't be valid etc etc. Fact. Anything else is just online speculation or relying on conspiracy theory.
The charges against him seem convenient, but if the authorities in Sweden think he needs to answer what are allegations of a serious offence, then the moment he has the balls to step outside the embassy we should stick him on a plane and get rid of him.
He's happy to let other people risk their liberty and freedom for wikileaks, he should have the balls to do likewise. This has cost us a fortune.
INdeed and all the swedes need to do is swear they will not allow the US to get their hands on him whilst they charge him with the [trumped up] charge.
Who are the Swedes in question to whom you refer? The Swedish government? I suspect that they may not be able to give such a guarantee, because they cannot interfere in the workings of an independent Swedish judiciary.
where he will subsequently be arrested so he is detained in the embassy unable to leave. Its not hard, even for a lawyer, to work this out.He is not free to leave therefore he is detained there.
The validity of that argument stands or falls on the validity of the legal process to extradite him to Sweden and the lawfulness of the arrest warrant. Unless the legal process to extradite him is fundementally flawed, then to argue that he is "detained" because he is evading arrest by hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy is specious.
Id agre with MCTD. The women and Assange should have their day in court. I do note that he left Sweden when they informed his lawyers that they were charging him with the sex assaults. He had applied to work in Sweeden. He could have stayed there and faced the charges and if innocent have cleared his name by now.
I greatly admire Edward Snowden and Assange. The way they have been treated is comparable with the way Putin deals with people who reveal embarrassing facts about his régime.
Are you for real? Assange is safe in knightsbridge. As far as I am aware he hasn't yet been murdered by poisoning or had a terrible, unexplained accident.
His case was heard in the UK Supreme Court. It agreed he should be extradited. Seems pretty solid evidence. Unless the UK and Sweedish governments and their judiciary's are part of the international conspiracy. He was free to walk about the UK in the two years his case took. He walked into the embassy once his appeal had failed.
Why do you hate him so much Pawsy?
Pawsy_Bear - Member
I think from the evidence Sweeden has a legal case for him to answer. Otherwise the warrant wouldn't be valid etc etc. Fact. Anything else is just online speculation or relying on conspiracy theory.
This statement is naive in the extreme.
Assanhat more like. For someone who should arguably have the gratitude of many, he makes himself very easy to hate. I very much hope it ends with him facing the charges very publicly in a Swedish court. Then we can see if they're trumped up or not. I hope he gets justice either way.
A kilo of strong stilton, that is how it will end.
I always sleep walk after eating blue cheese so he must too, so send it as a peace offering and then wait outside at 1:30am as he sleepwalks out in his PJs.
I don't. I think a number of women in Sweeden have made an allegation and the due process of the law requires that we extradit him.his case has been heard in our Supreme Court. Thus I think it's valid. Can't see what's wrong? Those are facts?
He was in Sweeden when he was informed of the charges but left that day. Sweeden applied for his extradition. Assange appealed all the way to the Supreme Court. He jumped bail and walked into the embassy. In a nutshell I think that's the sequence of events.
Yes, there's nothing else to it!
Simple!
please enlighten us as to the real case then? It's all an American plot? Conspiracy?
You have provided no alternative evidence?
He was on the grassy knoll didn't you know.
Of course, US have no influence behind the scenes.
Facts are all that matter.
I was suggesting that those that support him were ignoring the legal requirement for his lawful extradition. Asange is just trying to avoid a lawful arrest by linking his celebrity notoriety to avoid justice much like other notable did successfully.
Possibly but until we have a binding declaration from sweden or the US that they wont try to extradite him whilst there this view will remain as speculative as the alternative.
Given their history many feel his fear is real and the only people who can remove this so he sees justice are the americans or the swedes.
So you agree the concern is real then?I suspect that they may not be able to give such a guarantee, because they cannot interfere in the workings of an independent Swedish judiciary.
As for the specious argument i suggest you take that up with the UN who presumably were given and rejected such an argument.
Whilst i can see why some think as they do its naive to not think there is not the possibility of politically motivated actions against him and the only people who can break this impasse are the americans or the swedes - who could have easily interviewed him without him being in their country
Until such time as this arises I think he deserves the benefit of the dount - in terms of his reasons for avoiding the extradition.
He should face the charges as required but he should also be able to do so free from the threat of extradition to a country where many politicians have called for his death..IIRC some suggested the australian citizen be tried with treason.
If he wasn't white and Australian, I suspect he still wouldn't face the charges in Sweden as he'd already be in the bay or buried.
The UN panel on arbitrary detention ruled that Assange is being arbitrarily detained and that he should be allowed to walk free. The panel comprises leading experts in international human rights law from around the world who have been studying his case since 2014.
Assange was interviewed in Sweden when the allegations were initially made. And he was allowed to leave the country after the first prosecutor, Eva Finne, dismissed the case, saying: [url= https://www.rt.com/op-edge/331328-freeing-assange-john-pilger/ ]“I don’t believe there is any reason to suspect that he has committed rape.”[/url] because investigators have admitted that [url= http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/07/29/the-assassination-of-julian-assange/ ]no DNA[/url] from Assange was found on the condom.
According to documents released by Ed Snowden, Assange is on a
[url= http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/julian_assange_the_untold_story_of_an_epic_struggle_for_justice_20150803 ]"Manhunt target list"[/url]. In Alexandria, Virginia, a [url= http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/13/wikileaks.investigation/ ]secret grand jury[/url] attempted to concoct a crime for which Assange can be prosecuted in a court.
In 2010, the Independent revealed that the two governments had discussed Assange's potential extradition (sorry, can't find link), and in 2012 [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ecuadorean-officials-invite-swedish-authorities-to-london-to-interview-julian-assange-7979239.html ]Ecuadorean officials invited Swedish authorities to London to interview Julian Assange[/url]
A neat [url= https://newmatilda.com/2016/02/05/freeing-julian-assange-john-pilger-on-the-final-chapter/ ]summary[/url] is: -
The Assange case has never been primarily about allegations of sexual misconduct in Sweden – where the Stockholm Chief Prosecutor, Eva Finne, dismissed the case ... (with) one of the women involved accused the police of fabricating evidence and “railroading” her, protesting she “did not want to accuse JA of anything” – and a second prosecutor mysteriously re-opened the case after political intervention, then stalled it.
So we turn to him being granted bail in the UK while he fought extradition to Sweden whereupon he broke his bail conditions. Fair enough. However, he sought asylum in a foreign embassy from political persecution, as the UN panel’s ruling shows.
BTW, he has never refused to go to Sweden, he merely - reasonably - asks for a guarantee that he won't be extradited to America. Sweden hasn't done this. AIUI the case of his going up to the High Court revolved around the (highly technical) grounds relating to how much of a guarantee Sweden is obliged to give. [url= http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:32002F0584 ]Link[/url].
Would STW (well, half of you) argue that he should still have handed himself over to the authorities so as not to break his bail conditions? Not a chance.
Given the interest in him by the [url= http://newsjunkiepost.com/2012/12/19/how-sweden-collaborated-with-cia-on-renditions-and-framing-of-assange/ ]American administration[/url], it does not appear to me to be unreasonable for him to seek an assurance from the Government of Sweden that it will exercise its discretion not to extradite him.
Regardless, the UN finding is [url= http://www.theguardian.com/media/video/2016/feb/05/julian-assange-arbitrary-detention-ruling-legally-binding-says-un-official-video ]legally binding[/url] and the UK / Swedish governments have effectively said "tough shit". Where are the STW howls of indignance over that?
This is, IMO, a far bigger story than a very suspect rape allegation (BTW I'll say that slowly, allegation) or someone breaking his bail conditions.
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The validity of that argument stands or falls on the validity of the legal process to extradite him to Sweden and the lawfulness of the arrest warrant. Unless the legal process to extradite him is fundementally flawed, then to argue that he is "detained" because he is evading arrest by hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy is specious.
Decide for yourself:
Regardless, the UN finding is legally binding and the UK / Swedish governments have effectively said "tough shit".
http://www.headoflegal.com/2016/02/05/the-un-working-groups-assange-opinion/
history will view him kindly
the present day may not do
Pawsy has gone quiet
