Always disappoint to see someone letting their own prejudice overrule actual evidence
I've discovered many things on the Singletrack forum over the years but I never thought I'd find actual evidence for the existence of God. The stage is yours Molgrips.
(Does rather beg the question as to whether atheism is less socially acceptable than homosexuality in American society.)
[i]Sort of seems to be implying that gay people are superior.[/i]
well, durrrr, we are of course all much more fabulous, dahling!!
What's it like? I was outed at 15...let that sink in for a bit. At school, by my so called bezzy. In school, everyone but everyone [i]knew[/i] I was a lezzer, dyke, carpet muncher, bean flicker...whatever, didn't help that I am sporty and skinny. I've been spat on, had my head in a lav more times than I can to remember, got black eyes, bust lips, pissed blood for a week or so...there are still people that I knew from school who will cat call across the street at me...I'm 22 FFS. 🙄
It's the 21st century....
This is just one of the you tubes on "it gets better" there are hundreds of them, if being gay didn't matter so much, these wouldn't exist.
It's lush that a load of you think that it's unimportant, and it really isn't, but for too many people it's something to be shamed about, and something to hide away.
Go figure
I've discovered many things on the Singletrack forum over the years but I never thought I'd find actual evidence for the existence of God. The stage is yours Molgrips.
You're looking at it the wrong way. He's clearly intelligent, being in a position of running a huge successful company. And yet he believes (apparently) in God.
Rather than then dismissing his obvious capabilities based on that one fact, perhaps you should be asking yourself WHY an intelligent person would believe in God? Asking questions is a much better way to learn and improve yourself than simply being dismissive.
Sorry for the thread derailment but this attitude really does piss me off.
Grum, he's not saying he's superior to others as a result of his homosexuality. He is saying that as a result of his experiences as a homosexual man that 'he' is better person than 'he' would be otherwise.
I think I am a better person than I would have been because of the adversity I have faced. Others would say I'm still a tool anyway.
Hey mols ... keep up the good work lad we'll get there.
Apple CEO comes out as gay
STW has arguments.
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I positively applaud this news. Everybody knows that Apple rule the universe and so finally the term Gaylord can be accurately used again in general conversation without fear of upsetting anyone. All hail the Shiny Gaylord, Emperor of the Universe.
Alan Turing, sadly killed himself by eating a poisoned apple,after being hounded /prosecuted for being Gay now the CEO of a company called Apple, announces to the world he is Gay.
One died in tragic circumstances and one lives in relative luxury and wealth.
But both in their own way will and have changed the way we look at each other, the way we talk and accept people of a different sexuality to us.
Rather than then dismissing his obvious capabilities based on that one fact, perhaps you should be asking yourself WHY an intelligent person would believe in God? Asking questions is a much better way to learn and improve yourself than simply being dismissive.
The comment was kind of in jest and I didn't dismiss his obvious capabilities. Genuinely interested to know what keeps otherwise rational people religious and happy to learn - off thread if you prefer.
Holy crap, this thread got ugly quickly!
Tim cook's announcement is not particularly relevant to me as an individual, because I'm a) a heterosexual, and b) not a homophobe. Him telling me that he's gay does not make the slightest bit of difference to me. But it does to some people... that's the point. People will either feel supported, challenged or ambivalent about this. There is no down-side to that.
Personally, the sooner the day comes that being gay really doesn't matter (to anyone) the better. But until then, I applaud anyone effort that chips-away at peoples prejudices, and seeks to support people that are having a hard time of it.
Sorry - got a bit serious 😕
itunes is still shit
Can't sleep... excited about a race on Sunday and got to thinking a about Simon's post a couple up there.
Firstly not having a pop
Off thread if you prefer
Funny that in a thread about Cook coming out as gay... there is an invite for someone of faith to stay in the closet !!
And he's the thing....
Away from STW l kind of am.
Certainly not as evangelical in real life that is for sure. It's not that l am particular worried over people perception of me it's just bit boring aye?
And that's why even on here a try to keep posts sussinct and points raised or questions ask pertinent.... some, strangely enough, will preach for half a page on the inadequacies of faith.
Back to Cook and the case in point Simon posted... "otherwise" rational... Simon's not the only one thinking this is he?
In fact maybe the God part in more "progressive" circles is more stocking than the Gay bit... so is Cook having a bit of double out action.... Was it known he was a man of faith previously ?
So yeah, like l first posted (although it hadn't occurred to me then) Good man... he's allowed me to say...
God and proud
(On here away... l've got street cred to kept up in the real world 🙂 )
Peace
Out
Straight, gay, bi.....WGAF? None of my or anyone else's business.
But both in their own way will and have changed the way we look at each other, the way we talk and accept people of a different sexuality to us.
?? I do not look at anyone differently, talk to anyone differently, or accept anyone differently as a result of this news. Why should I?
God. Americans are much more outwardly vocal about their religion, Steve Cook is just being so here. His comment about being gay being a gift from God is also a challenge to parts of the Church which are not accepting of homosexuality, he is very loudly linking his sexuality with God, in fact deriving from it. As for the inference above that intelligent people cannot or are less likely to be religious is quite ridiculous.
As for the inference above that intelligent people cannot or are less likely to be religious is quite ridiculous
As an aside there is actually some evidence that the more intelligent you are the less likely you are to be religious. It's not a strong correlation but it does appear to be there.
*disclaimer. This does NOT mean that an intelligent person cannot be religious.
It really shouldn't be 'news' in this day an age as you've put it, but this*
What's it like? I was outed at 15...let that sink in for a bit. At school, by my so called bezzy. In school, everyone but everyone knew I was a lezzer, dyke, carpet muncher, bean flicker...whatever, didn't help that I am sporty and skinny. I've been spat on, had my head in a lav more times than I can to remember, got black eyes, bust lips, pissed blood for a week or so...there are still people that I knew from school who will cat call across the street at me...I'm 22 FFS
is exactly why it's a good thing that he has said this, and that it is being reported.
If him, or other prominent public figures (for whatever reason) can help in ANY way to normalise, or offer support or hope to someone, and help society move to a point where behaviour like the above does not happen then it is nothing but a good thing.
*sorry to use you as an example Emsz, and thank you for sharing.
Too many people do not realise how much of an issue it can be living in a society like this, it's easy to think that if you are not discriminatory and don't care, that other people don't too and that its not a big deal. But it still IS, and maybe it shouldn't be news, but until we are at a point where it universally isn't news then unfortunately it is (<-- may or may not have made sense)
Sorry, read it back and it came across as just trivial shit.
Move along...
@emz, thanks for sharing that. It's important. Chapeau.
Pretty low risk really. He's already at the top.
I don't know about the americans, but here nobody would, or has batted an eye.
I only just found out that the welsh rugby ref Nigel Owens is gay. Apparently he came out 7 years ago! Now [i]that[/i] takes courage.
Whilst I applaud the sentiment, it's bloody ludicrous that in the 21st century someone's sexuality should be of any concern to anyone else.
Because investors can be anyone and investors read five steps ahead and six steps sideways into someones ability to do a job based on stereotypes and deviation from the Nuclear family norm.
Well done that fickin man though! 😀
TBH (it shouldn't)- its just moved apple up a notch in my view.
Tim cook's announcement is not particularly relevant to me as an individual, because I'm a) a heterosexual, and b) not a homophobe. Him telling me that he's gay does not make the slightest bit of difference to me.
But your quite happy to proclaim your not a homophobe and straight.
Why, stirring doubts about your sexuality lol.
Project - you can flip your argument in its head too.
Why does Cook need to suggest that sexuality is among the greatest gifts - it's not, it's just sexuality, big deal - or that it is god given.
Odd that anyone chooses to consider something as basic as sexuality as a gift let alone a greatest gift.
It's an extension of the golfer who thanks god for his win. God played no part in that - he/she (or anyone else) hardly looked down and said, "hmmm, let me see, I think Jim will win today." It's all irrelevant connections.
It's not just STW, just saw the article over at [url= http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/30/tim-cook-gay-equality-letter/ ]macrumors[/url]. Usually articles get a hundred or so comments, this one is over 2k already. Looks like it got ugly pretty quickly too.
@tmh, Tim Cook is just being Tim Cook in the way he expresses it, any Apple product launch is pretty full on. As I posted I think his comments regarding his sexuality being a gift from God was a very deliberate ploy to say that God not only approves of homosexuality but he regards it as a gift, ie a positive thing. I think its a deliberate challenge to more conservative elements of the Church who don't approve of or accept homosexuality
This Russian Official says Tim Cook should be banned from the country
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/russian-politician-says-apple-ceo-tim-cook-should-be-banned-from-country-after-coming-out-as-gay-9829670.html ]Independent Newspaper Link[/url]
I get that jambalaya - but imagine if another CEO stood up and said, "one of the greatest gifts from God I have is the fact that I am straight." How would that be interpreted?
It's not the same thing though, is it. You're comparing an oft-persecuted minority with the persecuting majority.
A CEO standing there going "I thank god that I've had it really easy" is going to sound foolish regardless of where he chooses to stick his willy.
Lets not quibble over the semantics. This will be a man (and equally can be a woman) who has had to hide or temper his sexuality to a degree throughout his career. Lets not forget hes reached the top after a life-long career whereas we have acceptance somewhat built into the working world.
He didn't. So maybe hes having a swipe at the Xenophobes and the nutty-Christian ideology of America and American life to a degree.
Well done Sir. ****-em.
The funny thing is there WILL be some Apple customers binning their phone or 'puter because they'll see it as a gay product. I bet we'll see a few news reports (well in the US).
You're comparing an oft-persecuted minority with the persecuting majority.
You mean because he thanked God? 😉
Flashy 😉
Cougs, "persecuting" - really?
The confused exaggeration is catching by the looks of things. I think a CEO talking about (ahem) "sticking his willy" anywhere looks pretty foolish, especially when linking that to a God. (He's crept in again - truly omnipotent). Better kept under wraps in more ways that one.
Cougs, "persecuting" - really?
No, not really, I made it up. As we all know, homosexuality has been socially and culturally acceptable globally for centuries.
Are you trolling just to get a rise out of me now?
I sort of get what he's saying, and I don't think he's trying to say "hey, you know what, I'm better than you because I'm gay" I think it's more like, "sometimes being gay is proper shit spesh when your young and you feel like it's you vs the world, and because of that I'm a better person than I might have been. Not better than you, or something, just better in myself"
Then the god bit, wahtever floats you gravy hon.
I know what he means, I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I went on a 'journey' from denial, to sick scared, to resentment, to hating myself, to falling in love, to acceptance, to celebration.
Last thing: I have a very close friend, who's nose is very slightly bent to the left because of me, she stood in front of a punch that was aimed at me, and got her nose bust for her trouble, that's a debt I can never repay, but I can try to be a better person, and it helps to remind myself of that punch when I feel a bit shit.
Are you trolling just to get a rise out of me now?
You are kidding now FFS. Feels like I'm being stalked as you (twice) pick up on something I said/didn't say. Talking about trying to get a reaction. I say that to you as a forumites not a mod (as you say).
Go an see real persecution in the world and then you might find that Mr Cox is engaging a slight bit of exaggeration for effect.
Feels like I'm being stalked as you (twice) pick up on something I said/didn't say.
I reply to any number of people in a given day. I replied to you twice. Don't feel special.
Go an see real persecution in the world and then you might find that Mr Cox is engaging a slight bit of exaggeration for effect.
Are you reading any of Emsz' posts? Here's a choice excerpt you may have missed.
I've been spat on, had my head in a lav more times than I can to remember, got black eyes, bust lips, pissed blood for a week or so...there are still people that I knew from school who will cat call across the street at me...I'm 22 FFS.
And that's in the last decade, in the UK. What do you reckon the experiences were of someone who grew up in the middle of America's bible belt in the 60's and 70's? You think he got to bring his boyfriend round for Thanksgiving?
I don't, don't worry - sounds like trying to get a reaction again. What's that called again.....?
I am well aware of emsz point thank you and sympathetic to it. But I disagree with the her opening point. It was a deliberate comment and a deliberate choice of phrase. Pointing that out does not equate to condoning the treatment that emsz suffered. To suggest otherwise is ......?
You tell me, you obviously feel that I am ignorant (or were you just trying to get a reaction again?)
In the midst of the usual STW-*****tery within this thread, there are two of possibly the finest posts I've had the fortune to read in a long time hanging around here.
Well done emsz.
Oh I give up. You clearly have no interest in a discussion and are just spoiling for a fight, and that's not entertaining reading for anyone. Bored now.
emsz rocks. 😀
I suspect I've noted that before.
Anyone muttering [i]"whoop-de-doo, gay people endlessly talking about their gaying like it matters in the 21st century when everyone seems to be gaying in my face the whole time"[/i] really, really ought to listen to more gay people.
everyone seems to be gaying in my face the whole time
Now you're just showing off.
On the contrary, interested in emsz's and jamabalyas views. Just not someone misquoting what I am saying (again). It is boring, true.
Indeed, well done emsz.
Bullying is an appalling thing.
mol 😀
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I sort of get what he's saying, and I don't think he's trying to say "hey, you know what, I'm better than you because I'm gay" I think it's more like, "sometimes being gay is proper shit spesh when your young and you feel like it's you vs the world, and because of that I'm a better person than I might have been. Not better than you, or something, just better in myself"
Bravo! Brilliant post. Most of your posts are funny, entertaining and make me chuckle. This one s just excellent!
i ve had to repress my sexuality at work fairly often, i was once taken outside and spoken to by a line manager about it and the need for me to discreet but i bit my tongue and hid my feelings and carried on as before, after all so many married women out there looking for a stud muffin. i was young once, and slim, and without morals, never good looking though or good at chat up lines or commitment but i could spot an opportunity in a large factory with 500 mostly married ladies..
great way of getting air time to advertise apple products.
what product was he advertising then, poah?
It's not as if Apple need PR to pump their brand, is it!
@emz: well done for this brave and open post.
I think sexuality is something we are born with and have to live with. I can no more explain why I find (some) women attractive than I can explain why I write with my left hand or have blue eyes.
Sadly too many of our rapidly expanding world population continue to believe its a lifestyle choice or deviant/against [insert your god]'s will.
Until we all catch up with this realisation that its not a choice then Tim Cooks brave sharing is still relevant. I hope one day its no more news than the colour of his socks.
