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battery a couple of days?
Christ! I've not had a battery last more than a day since getting rid of my galaxy s4 with a triple capacity battery in it that made the phone huge.
I carry a 6400mah battery bank in my pack at all times. that will get me through the day.
I have a 6 plus now. But I'm seriously considering getting a 5se. Only got girly hands and I loved being able to do everything on a 5s truly one handed. A 64gb 5se would suit my needs better than this 6 plus. Yes I'd miss the screen size but proper one handed use would outweigh the downsides.
So it's baasically a 5s with 6s guts? Sounds good but I'd much prefer they put the guts into the 4s form factor; that was the best, most solid phone I've ever owned. I'd take stainless steel over alu alloy anyday.
Translation - "It's a bit too hard. Let's not bother with it. Let's give them some shiny gewgaws instead. They'll lap it up".And, to our shame, we do.
Stop that.
So does this mean we all go back to the Nokia 3310. Battery last forever and they are machine washable
(And not to bad at killing spiders)
Billions is being invested in battery technology - it's not just key to phones, laptops and cameras but also electric/hybrid cars. They just haven't had a breakthrough yet (at least that could be commercialised easily), it will come though.
As for the 5se - I've been waiting for it for a few months now (my current 4s is on it's last legs) and pleasantly surprised by the final specs (some of the rumours had it more cut-down). The pricing is about as good as could be hoped from Apple as well (it's far from a bargain though).
GrahamS - Member
It's not "forgotten" - it's just really bloody hard.
not really.
make a phone that's a [i]tiny[/i] bit thicker, and put a bigger battery in it.
and before some tart starts whining 'but this thread is about a [i]smaller[/i] phone, you can't put a bigger battery in a smaller phone...
no, this thread is about the [u]option[/u] of a smaller phone. Well, that's nice, if we're talking about options, i want a bigger battery, i don't care if that means a [i]slightly[/i] bigger phone.
just put a bigger battery in it. for those who want it. we're prepared to spend billions on developing new battery technology, well they can have this technology for free, i call it 'the bigger battery'.
i'm like Elon bloody Musk.
Sadly market forces have spoken there and the majority of consumers are drawn to the sleek shiny super-thin phones on the shelf - even though a great many of them will end up adding a big case to protect that fragile skinny phone and provide more battery capacity.
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http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MGQL2ZM/A/iphone-6s-smart-battery-case-charcoal-grey
Yuk!
Well blow me.
I really liked my 5s, it just felt right in my hand. I think this SE is just the right phone for me too. The 6s I have now is just too big to put anywhere, doesn't fit neatly in jersey pockets when riding, wallets no trews.
Good idea.
A 5s size phone with the guts of a 6s.
Perfecto'
v8ninety - MemberSo it's baasically a 5s with 6s guts? Sounds good but I'd much prefer they put the guts into the 4s form factor; that was the best, most solid phone I've ever owned. I'd take stainless steel over alu alloy anyday.
Yeah, it's an updated 5S, despite all the posturing from a few people saying things like "they made a big one and said it was great, now they're making a smaller one and said it was great, you're all mugs". They make a few different iPhones now, and have for a couple of years now - 3 sizes and 2 specs - the smallest, cheapest one has just been updated to the spec that's pretty much the same as the fancier ones - the fancier ones will be updates in Sept.
The prices are still horrific of course, but no one is forced to buy one.
I really don't understand all the usual moaning when a new shiny thing is released, you don't have to buy them - there are cheaper smart phones that are still very good, there are very cheap smart phones that are okay if you don't expect much and for the real moaners, the "I just want a bloody phone to call people and batteries used to last a decade and it never rained" Nokia, still sell, veyr tough little phones, the batteries still last days and days and they cost less than £20 sim-free and yet despite all this and the leagues of people moaning about how great they were 10 years ago - Nokia has been on the slide for years because no one buys them.
[url= http://bgr.com/2016/03/22/iphone-se-features-top-5-bottom-2/ ]This report on BGR[/url] points out that in 2015, Apple sold 30 million [i]new[/i] older model iPhones with 4-inch screens.
So clearly there is a demand out there for smaller screens.
And of course, the smaller screen means (a bit) better battery life too.
@bikebouy, I could be a buyer of the 6S if you want to switch.
4 and 5S are not ideal for me as small screen size is hard to read and keyboard especially difficuot to use bs newer larger phone sizes.
(up to) 16 days stand-by time?
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(up to) 16 days stand-by time?
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Have you tested it?
It's a 2915mAh battery. So 16 days means it would need to draw an average of ~7.6mA in Standby.
I'd guess that is [i]possible[/i] with absolutely optimal conditions (i.e. absolutely everything turned off).
Obviously [url= http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-iphone-6s-plus-review/8 ]real-world figures with the phone in actual use[/url] are very different.
It will be the next phone for both Katie and me I think. I thought the 4 was a lovely form factor but the extra screen on the 5 does make it more useful without being too large to pocket.
I don't get the insistence that phones should be slimmer - the 4 was 'thin enough'. A few extra mm on the 5 body with longer battery would be good for me.
The prices are still horrific of course, but no one is forced to buy one.
High end Smartphones cost money shock. It's a miniature high end computer in your pocket - it's not going to be cheap. Base price of the phone I can understand. Being shafted for enough storage for it to be usable sticks in the throat though - can't believe they still have 16Gb models.
Being shafted for enough storage for it to be usable sticks in the throat though
Yeah they do take the piss on that. An extra 64GB puts £80 on the cost of a 6S.
Meanwhile I can buy a [url= http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Storage/cat/USB-Flash-Drives/128GB?sort=price+ascending ]128GB USB flash drive[/url] for less than £25.
As others have said, make the phone 1mm thicker and put a bigger battery in there, sorted....there is no need for 6mm thin phones, they're simply for pub bragging rights.
Re. Small and powerful phones, do catch up...my HTC One-S from 2013 had a 4.3 inch screen, was slick as you could ever want and had a lovely baked Alu casing making the exterior of the phone wonderfully textured if that appeals to you.
Unfortunately in the phone world some people acknowledge and only acknowledge iPhones and everything else must be tat.....then there are those who s**** at Apple for being several years behind the curve and wouldn't countenance a fruit branded product.
I'd like to think I'm in the middle, that HTC I had was genuinely superb and would still be well reviewed if released in 2016, there have been some Android duds (Galaxy S5 anyone?)....but my current phone is an Apple S5....why?....the media content on iTunes trumps anything available on Google Play.....but if the content was the same I'd go back in a heartbeat.
Apple handsets are decidedly average bits of tech, the screen is made by LG (or Sharp), the processor is a Samsung item ironically enough and when I dropped mine from my pocket last week the much heralded Gorilla Glass shattered costing me an £80 repair.....oh for expendable memory that doesn't cost a fortune to upgrade through the models to get the memory you want/need.
The 2900 mAh battery sounds promising and may stop me from going back to Google, I'll have to have a play on one in a shop.
my note 3 had 3200mah I'd still charge it twice a day.
I had an s4 with a triple calacity battery that would last one whole day of heavy use or two days of standard use.
current s6 edge plus phone has a 3000 mah. which I can just about see a day if I don't take the piss.
but then I do use my phone for everything these days, its replaced my computer.
[quote=deviant ]Re. Small and powerful phones, do catch up...my HTC One-S from 2013 had a 4.3 inch screen, was slick as you could ever want and had a lovely baked Alu casing making the exterior of the phone wonderfully textured if that appeals to you.
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I'd like to think I'm in the middle, that HTC I had was genuinely superb and would still be well reviewed if released in 2016,
My Mrs is still using my "old" One S. It's a lovely thing and I really like the size, weight and shape. I only changed because it didn't have enough internal storage for the many (and bigger) Apps that I was using.
i had ( have ) a one s too. 'twas lovely but it got slow, laggy, and the battery life became woeful. if i wanted to look around a new place with mapping running it would get quite warm and digest the battery very rapidly ( like 90% to 10% in 90 mins ). nice phone while it was useful though, it never needed a fricking case, and never broke....
should look at sticking a ROM on it again, see if i can bring it back to life.
I got a 6S insurance replacement for my 5S. For me it's the perfect size. The screen size and ease of sliding in/out of my pocket is great. There's no way I'd want to go bigger as my thumb just reaches the whole keyboard, and I wouldn't go smaller because it's too small for browsing and watching anything.
All I want it to have is a larger battery and an external memory slot.
Yeah they do take the piss on that. An extra 64GB puts £80 on the cost of a 6S.
T'is a bit annoying. 16Gb is useless, my work phone keeps filling despite having virtually nothing installed on it. 64Gb with cloud photos + music is pointless (and I bought a 128Gb 6 .. mainly for holidays, lots of photos and videos between syncs .. never really challenged it) now.
32Gb would cost them nothing to fit, and work for a big chunk of the market for the next few years happily.
So does this mean we all go back to the Nokia 3310. Battery last forever and they are machine washable
(And not to bad at killing spiders)
Funny you should say that. I found one in a cupboard at work last week (and something I've never seen before, 6303 or some such). Charged it up to see if it still works - it does, quelle surprise - and it was still alive this morning. Granted, it's done nowt bar sit on a bench for a few days, but still.
Come the day the bomb goes off, the only thing left will be cockroaches and Nokia 3300-series handsets.
Just preordered one. Not sure there will be the demand for the SE like there has been for the other models, but figured I would get in early to guarantee delivery for the 31/3.
Guess there is going to be a shit load of 5S appearing on the second hand market soon 8)
I keep my old Nokia in my toolbox for the nails that my hammer can't budge 🙂
Going to a smaller phone helps with battery life - smaller screen to light up, and that's generally the big energy hog.
I very, very rarely plug my Z1 Compact in during the day, and if I do it's usually just a precautionary charge because I'm going to be out late.
External battery packs are good for emergency charges.
Just bought these nice handbag-friendly options for my mum:
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Keyring Cable - http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00V2UDHXY
That keyring one's neat. I have an Anker battery that's about the same size as a 5" phone, and good for about three charges; brilliant for long bike rides or trips.
Much as I'm a sucker for nifty little gadgets like that, I generally just carry a short (like, 4") ?USB cable around these days. Takes up no space.
Cougar - Moderator
Much as I'm a sucker for nifty little gadgets like that, I generally just carry a short (like, 4") ?USB cable around these days. Takes up no space.
Me too, or just surf someone elses charger for 15-20 mins..
Yeah I have a couple of big external packs that I use myself (Anker, Veho and Kingston all seem good). And I have an adbundance of cables too.
But I thought these were neat compact options for a pensioner with limited bag space who might just need a little boost charge to ensure she can make a call 🙂
There are a few interesting variations of that keyring-cable design on my Amazon history now:
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I have a 6 for work and a 4S as my personal phone. Both are really useful, but if perfectly honest I am considering going back to a basic mobile, if I can find one.
Other that WhatApp and Instagram there really isn't a lot I'll miss. The extra 'functionality' just annoys me now and while I do use it, I dislike being reachable by email everywhere.
I'd need to buy a GPS to use for Strava, but I actually see that as a bonus as it may mean my rides are actually more accurate.
Maybe I'm just getting old and jaded.
Maybe I'm just getting old and jaded.
Not at all. You just want to have a regular phone. There are a surprisingly large number like you who find all the bells and whistles off putting. To be honest, seeing nearly everyone out and about just staring at their screens makes me die a little bit inside. As such I make a conscious effort to not do the same. My phone, as well as calls, is mainly used as a satnav and mp3 player. So I try to make sure I just use it for that sort of stuff, rather than switching the rest of the real world off.
Oooh! Some cool things there GrahamS.
You could not enable emails if you don't like them.
You could not enable emails if you don't like them.
Indeed. The problem there isn't the phone, it's what the network engineers would call Layer 8 issue.
I do kind of agree though. I stumbled across my old 6510 the other day and got a pang of nostalgia. Back In The Day I used to have that little phone together with a Psion 5 to do all the heavy lifting. I even had proto-web access via the phone's IR interface (ok, in monochrome, but still). If I was going out somewhere I wouldn't take relatively expensive technology I could leave the Psion at home.
In an ideal world I'd like that loadout again only with modern technology. I have a coat-pocket sized tablet so don't need a big daft screen on a phone. But all the small phones seem to be aimed at the low end of the market, cheap and nasty and underpowered.
Ho hum.
But all the small phones seem to be aimed at the low end of the market, cheap and nasty and underpowered.
How small we talking?
Apples persistence to not offer any kind of memory expansion is marketing genius but I can't believe people still go along with it!
The basic phone might be competitively priced, but paying an extra £80 for enough storage to make it useful stings a bit, especially when most android phones now support 128+gb memory cards.
The basic phone might be competitively priced, but paying an extra £80 for enough storage to make it useful stings a bit, especially when most android phones now support 128+gb memory cards.
But the alternative is having to use android, so I'll regrettably have to stump up...
But the alternative is having to use android,
*shudder*
Fab! I've said many times that the iPhone 6 - never mind the 6 Plus - is too big for one-handed use, so I think it's great news that Apple are making a smaller phone. I won't be buying one mind you 🙂
Haven't some Android phone now ditched the SD card and removable battery?
e.g. the [url= http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-note-5-1301322/review ]Note 5[/url] or the [url= http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s6-1285636/review ]S6[/url]
The prices seem just as daft too. The RRPs on the S6 are 32GB for £379, 64GB for £539 and 128GB for £599!!
How small we talking?
Nokia 6510? (Ie, the 8310 in a post-pubescent shell)
Dunno TBH. What have you got in mind? I'm half wondering whether my next phone needs to have a keypad again...
I might have agreed with you a few years back, but now with cloud storage/streaming music etc. I'm wondering why I got a 128Gb iPhone as I've only used about 20% of the space after about 4 months!Apples persistence to not offer any kind of memory expansion is marketing genius but I can't believe people still go along with it!
Just ordered a 16Gb SE for my mum, will be perfect for her. Great value too (IMO).
Apples persistence to not offer any kind of memory expansion is marketing genius but I can't believe people still go along with it!
The basic phone might be competitively priced, but paying an extra £80 for enough storage to make it useful stings a bit, especially when most android phones now support 128+gb memory cards.
In order to have the necessary connections, etc, for a removable battery, the memory card, the removable parts of the case, etc, something has to give, either the phone has to be bigger or the battery has to be smaller, plus the phone is much more vulnerable to damage if dropped. Also how many times have people complained about loss of data from a card that's gone on the fritz, something that almost never happens with in-built storage, combined with cloud storage of photos, etc.
I've got a 128Gb 6+, with several hundred books in various book readers, a fair bit of music, several mapping apps, like Here, CoPilot Live, Viewranger, UK Map, with lots of maps installed, and I've used 84.6Gb so far, mainly because all my photos go into cloud storage. Next phone will be 256Gb*, but I'll almost certainly dump CoPilot, and I'll stuff it full of music; my entire music library is 200Gb, so I'll probably be able to get everything on the phone with space left over, and no fannying around with fragile removable storage.
*The latest pad has 256Gb, so it's a given the iP7+ will as well.
As an aside, the current iPhones are, while not exactly waterproof, very water resistant, something Apple has kept very quiet about, probably to avoid litigation after some jackass uses their phone in the bath and drops it...
With removable storage and battery, that wouldn't be possible.
Perhaps Apple can't make a waterproof phone with removable battery and micro sd but Samsung managed it with the S Cover, S4 Active and S5. The S7 and various Sonys are waterproof with fixed batteries but sd card support. The iPhone isn't waterproof for the same reason the Samsung S6 wasn't, the manufacturer chose not to offer it.