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All my apple devices lasted about 1 year. 3 new batteries for a device designed to be mobile. The macbook has been resigned to the cupboard and its original packaging, and a battery with 0% capacity again.
All my non-Apple devices lasted 4 years+
The Sony got sold to a friend after I'd used it for many years, and then he sold it on. The eeePC I bought about the same time as the Macbook that's been in the cupboard for years, still works perfectly, although the battery is now dropping from 100% perfection. My Chromebook has already outlasted my macbook's first battery, and cost about €30 more than the price you have to pay for a macbook battery if you don't get it replaced under warranty.
If I get another macbook, the SSD will be zapped, and the macbook sold on while still within Apple's 1 year warranty.
Are there grown up people arguing about which OS/platform is best???
Yes, yes there are.
...and if you had an Apple laptop, this would have been obvious.
Winblowz! Micro$oft! Lolz!
And if they did control the supply chain, or indeed mandated standard I suspect we wouldn't be having the debate of Non Apple v's Apple trackpads
And Windows PCs would lose a key selling point, which is cost.
It's a good thing that we have these different approaches to PCs. It allows one company to establish itself as premium, and others to be able to produce budget stuff AS WELL as premium stuff.
It's a good thing that we have these different approaches to PCs. It allows one company to establish itself as premium, and others to be able to produce budget stuff AS WELL as premium stuff.
And there the argument should be over. But it won't be.
But it won't be.
No, not as long as people are spouting bollocks that makes no sense like Windows trackpads are rubbish. I suppose Ford tyres and Samsung TV programmes are also rubbish?
No, not as long as people are spouting bollocks that makes no sense like Windows trackpads are rubbish.
It's not 'spouting bollocks', tho. You're just being too literal. When someone refers to a Window's touchpad being rubbish, I take that to mean a laptop that runs Window's touchpad is rubbish. Even though I believe it was stated Apple's offerings were merely better, rather than the Windows versions were rubbish.
....and in this case, they mostly are inferior to Apple's offerings.
There really is no need to be so defensive, Molgrips.
I suppose Ford tyres...are also rubbish?
That actually demonstrates the [i]opposite[/i] of your argument quite well. If someone buys a Ford and it has crap tyres on it, their experience of that purchase will be a bad one. *Some* people might twig it is the tyres at fault rather than the car and may do something about it, but by this stage most people's first impression will already be made.
And that is why Apple have their fanbois; the first impression is a very very good one.
There really is no need to be so defensive, Molgrips.
Well I should re-iterate. I'm not *defensive* as such. I'm not using either Apple or Windows for my main workstation, as it happens.
I'm just annoyed with flawed logic, which is then considered the basis for one-sided viewpoints. It's illogical, and this frustrates me greatly.
*Some* people might twig it is the tyres at fault rather than the car and may do something about it, but by this stage most people's first impression will already be made.
And again - this is wrong-headed!
I've nothing against Apple, and I find it very interesting that they have taken a different approach and achieved something different. There are I believe positives and negatives, which is good, because we now have real choice. Three real choices, at least, which all have benefits.
It's illogical, and this frustrates me greatly.
this is wrong-headed!
People aren't logical and "right-headed"(whatever that means 😆 ). People regularly buy based on first impressions and "feel", not to mention peer reviews.
My first impression of a Mac was a joy after many years of Windows - sorry, non-Apple - PC use and I didn't have a hugely unpleasant time with Windows - sorry, non-Apple - PCs. It's less night and day now that I've uncovered some of the weaknesses in Apple's software and OS (and I should stress I have found no weaknesses in their hardware) but few of us have the time or energy to do such exhaustive testing before buying. That's why we start STW threads instead 🙂
Both OSX and Windows are illogical and unintuitive.
Only bought my Macbook at the time because it was not Windows, and saved myself the windows tax. And because Apple conformed to EU law (sort of), and allowed English language OS and English international keyboard options as standard from a non-UK/Ireland website within EU. Unlike Dell, who at the time I would have had to order German OS+Keyboard from the .de site with a special request, then phone up the 0898 hotline to have the order amended by an operator.
And weirdly, it was €20 cheaper.
Everything since, I've ordered online from the ferry, and picked up a bonafide UK model from Argos, and worry about an EU mains lead later.
Google doesn't conform to EU law either, for warranties. But at least it works.
They were all laptops. All have been a joyful as each other. It's a workhorse to do what I want it to do, not a machine to have joy with.
All quite true. Try stuff, buy what you like.
But don't then make proclaimations about something you don't understand on a public forum and get all tribal about it.
And don't, when someone says Apples are too expensive, try and persuade them that £1,500 isn't really a lot of money for what you get, seemingly oblivious to the fact that cost is an actual barrier to many people - in other words, it might be better value for money but if you haven't got £1,500, then you haven't got it!
Saw a young lad busking today with an Apple sticker on his guitar! FFS!
Keep Going Chaps! This is very entertaining.
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Sent from my Dell workstation
Wait...
Dell make their trackpads from ford tyres?
This thread is confusing.
Saw a young lad busking today with an Apple sticker on his guitar! FFS!
Maybe he had an ipod shuffle.
Anyway, could be worse. Over the way they're arguing about pies.
Saw a young lad busking today with an Apple sticker on his guitar! FFS!
how would you feel about a microsoft or HP sticker?
The same, really. I'd hate to advertise consumer goods when playing music...
However - the fact that you never see anyone with a Microsoft or HP sticker on a guitar or on other personal items shows fanboism at work.
Windows laptops don't last as long because;
1) bloatware just slows them down to the point they are unusable
2) people spend less on them as if you have £1000 to spend many/most people would buy a mac
Pages does everything I need in a "word processor", Numbers isn't close to Excel yet but them again it took ages before Excel was better than 123. Mail is ok too and a lot of email work I do on iphone/ipad anyway
@mol you can call it fanboi-ism if you like but artists/designers and musicians have always preferred macs due to product design amd software available and seen Microsoft as an abusive corporate power to boot. Its a pretty small group of people who aspire to own a Microsoft product
It's not 2000 any more Jam.
This is all well and good, but what's everyone's favorite type of nut?
I think almonds are the best and anyone who disagrees is just a brazil nut fanboi.
bloatware just slows them down to the point they are unusable
Not sure that is really the case. And if it is, which it isn't then it's user error.
...and almonds. They are just smoother.
It's not 2000 any more Jam.
My knees are reminding me of that right now 😥
Question for Apple fans then - what do you think of the Surface Book?
It's not 2000 any more Jam.
then why do people not get other people purchasing choices for a personal computer might be different from there own but still be perfectly valid?
i’m just a tool user not a fanboy. with a long list of reasons for choosing what piece of equipment i use to do my job, i’m sure theres lots of people making similar purchasing decisions with lots of different criteria and different outcomes. mine isn’t a better decision than theirs.
the haters make it sound like every time i turn my laptop on i'm supposedly being shafted in the anus by the ghost of steve jobs while simultaneously throwing £50 notes in a hole.
then why do people not get other people purchasing choices for a personal computer might be different from there own but still be perfectly valid?
I do get this, absolutely. That's been my point all along.
The same, really. I'd hate to advertise consumer goods when playing music...However - the fact that you never see anyone with a Microsoft or HP sticker on a guitar or on other personal items shows fanboism at work.
Or kids love stickers and when given one will throw it on anything. My sons homework books (as they are allowed to decorate them) are plastered with Hope, Apple, Raceface, VMWare, Fox, Gibson, 661 stickers - to be honest he doesn't have a clue what half the stickers are for, but god do him and his friends love a sticker.
He doesn't have a MS sticker as I don't think I've ever had one, but he does have a MS Server Drinks bottle he uses on his bike so I feel he is sufficiently promoting all brands for him to leave the house.
Scrap that - he has a Minecraft sticker on his guitar and I'm not sure Yamaha have anything to do with Mojang or Microsoft! I have just given him a lecture and sent him to sit on the naughty step to think about the confusing message this may deliver to people. And I just realisedI have my company logo on a sticker on my laptop, I don't even make things, let alone laptops - so off to the naughty step for me.
Just buy what you prefer people no one really cares what anyone else has anyway, especially not if it works for you...
i’m just a tool user
that
I don't frikken want to "experience" my laptop, or email program or OS interface. Yahoo's the worst. Apple and MS are equally guilty of making me want to have an "experience".
I want to [u]use[/u] the tools and software I have.
And because I don't have the 13 point multi touch, I can't "experience" Mavericks (or whatever the latest one is called), because Apple decided that experience choice for me, but probably can "experience" Windoze 10, because it's pretending to be a tablet with enormous "tiles" instead of icons for people with fat fingers, and 2 year olds.
So I'll use Linux instead. Which is why I avoided the MS tax buying Apple, and avoided the Apple tax buying Chromebook.
a tablet with enormous "tiles"
You know they're resizeable, right? 🙂
I deleted them all in 8.1 😉
One tile... start ye olde worlde style desktop
10 can wait until 1 month before the free upgrade ends
Question for Apple fans then - what do you think of the Surface Book?
I haven't laid hands on one so shouldn't comment really. But... what's that gap?
I've never used an apple laptop, so I don't comment on them. What annoys me is the mis-information that keeps getting repeated about Windows PCs, that may have had some truth 20 years ago, but is now totally irrelevant.
But the thing that annoys me most is the 'designers use Macs'.
That's right, all those millions of people sitting in front of Apple products doing 3d CAD.
Oh, hang on...
Fwiw i don't use windows or osx to make music... I use Ableton. Hth.
Most people on here have, I expect, ridden more than one bike or driven more than one car. Some bikes/cars feel better than others, even though they are quite simply tools ultimately doing the same job. Whilst there may be tangible elements that dictate that "feel", what we're talking about is user experience. Some people - myself included - care about that experience with a tool that they are sat at for several hours a day, be that the wheel of a car or the keyboard and trackpad of a computer. I'd have more money in the bank if I didn't care about the user experience 😆