Sick of the thread hijack. Can't they use PM or just kiss and make up. Proper keyboard warriorism.
Plus one, its like watching a self important 30 something couple argue badly in Waitrose
Plus one, its like watching a self important 30 something couple argue badly in Waitrose
Nahhh Waitrose is beneath me, it's way to middle class.
zokes you really do have a massive ego and you also come across as a complete and utter cock. If you could match your massive "intellect" with a fraction of the quantity of self awareness you might make a reasonable human.
Anyway you two trolls play nice
How's that glass house/stone throwing going for you?
And the anger management classes?
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Zokes vs bwaarp.
It reminds me of the internet in the 1990s:
"Your shit."
"No, your shit."(sic)
How's that glass house/stone throwing going for you?And the anger management classes?
You again misinterpret my dislike for your objectionable online persona for anger. If you had a more mature outlook on life and some of that missing self awreness you might understand that.
Classic example of a thread disappearing up it's own arse.
Oh my god! Will you two just get a room and **** each others obviously terribly large but somewhat immature brains out already? Crikey. Some of us are trying to watch videos of people shooting at each other here.
If rounds are whizzing around, police and military don't shoot to kill or maim. They shoot to hit, with the primary objective of preventing harm to themselves and others (obv except the aggressor). The thought process is less "ill shoot him in the leg" than "f***", no matter how experienced you are.
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Could have been an interesting thread, but once again two pointless excuses for human beings have taken it upon themselves to wave their tiny penises at each other.
Mods - just TJ them and have done with it please.
Amazing how quickly an argument on the internet (Even between two educated adults) turns into a variant of 'my dads harder than your dad'!
Seriously both of you may have a high-level of formal education, but you are not proving to be a fantastic advertisement of it on here. Even worse, in face-to-face situations you are probably likeable people who act like adults and actually would likely get on well.
In the past I have read some of both your posts with interest and would like to continue doing so. Here's an idea to let this happen. Pack it in both of you - live and let live eh!
*waves tiny penis at muddydwarf*
Pedant alert, but the observation of high level of education conflicts with the poor grammar - to middle class. Tut, tut...too middle class, please. I hope bwaarp's spelling is better in his job applications. One of his recent targets picked up a minor typo on my application many (many) moons ago! But they even did handwriting tests in those days!
Anyway back to the topic. Anyone else think that there was more going on here. How many times has a major city gone into was seems to have been lock-down? Is that really the response to two people on the loose. Where is kaesae when you need him?
Where is kaesae when you need him?
Still recovering from a postman's laser, I think
Anyway, back on topic...
Dead suspects aren't particularly verbose. If police need evidence or info on motives as accomplices, probably best to try not to kill them to death
I see this thread has had the odd relevant post. If that was in the uk and they were on someone's back yard would we have had the same level of gunshots? I very much doubt it, it looked like something out of Hollywood movie!
Dead suspects aren't particularly verbose. If police need evidence or info on motives as accomplices, probably best to try not to kill them to death
True, but killing them to death is preferable to being killed to death. Or even injured to, um injury.
Am I the only one who has a sense that the need for a quick 'result' means that possibly the true perpetrators have not been identified, killed and captured?
Whilst I haven't read all the in's and out's of the situation, the cynic in me gets a voice.
Oh, with regards to the internal spat going on, there is a very significant difference between intelligence and emotional intelligence. Although we are all aware of that 😉
I see this thread has had the odd relevant post. If that was in the uk and they were on someone's back yard would we have had the same level of gunshots? I very much doubt it, it looked like something out of Hollywood movie!
That crossed my mind too. But I guess the cat's out of the bag re: armed police so crims get bigger guns in the states.
Bwarp's spelling is atroshus.
Now where us this video?
I'm glad there weren't any stories of people being arrested because they chose not to obey the lockdown. When that happens, we have a problem.
I'm glad there weren't any stories of people being arrested because they chose not to obey the lockdown. When that happens, we have a problem.
there was a chap in a black hoodie who had the fright of his life. Oh and the middle eastern looking chaps who got dragged out of a cab at gun point in downtown Boston.
there was a chap in a black hoodie who had the fright of his life. Oh and the middle eastern looking chaps who got dragged out of a cab at gun point in downtown Boston.
Link me!
I used to think all that Charlie Brooker stuff where these things played out on twitter and other social networking sites were a bit far fetched. Not so much anymore. Looked like a far fetched episode of Homeland or something.
I had read in one UK newspaper that the police had used 'non lethal' bullets (what ever that means!) as they wanted to capture the suspect alive. It was more a case of disorientating/frightening him than killing him.
Link me!
you had to be listening in to the police scanner.
What confuses me is that they had SWAT, FBI and normal plod. Now if SWAT are the surgical tacticians that they are presented as, assuming no other more highly trained party was there, why was there a hail of gunfire. Also it is generally reported that when he was seen in the boat he was in pretty poor shape anyway.
Obviously we don't know if he started firing a weapon from the boat but wouldn't a more clinical method of shooting be preferable with all of the highly trained marksment they had around at the time rather than letting dibble loose to "fire at will" potentially injuring innocent bystanders.
Agree with muddydwarf, jamj1974 "adults is a bit of a stretch!
Aside from the bombing the pair killed a police officer during the first attempt at capturing them, I don't see an issue with adopting a forceful approach to neutralising him.
Personally I don't have an issue with a "robust or "forceful" approach, however should the police not maintain a professional standard. As an outsider and from my understanding of what the police should be doing ie bringing him to justice, this seems like overkill and there was only a single objective firmly set in the minds of the police. It appears that they were taking the law into their own hands.
there was only a single objective firmly set in the minds of the police. It appears that they were taking the law into their own hands.
What would you suggest they should have done differently ?
Pictures or it didn't happen.
I haven't seen any footage of the capture itself but I did read reports and see some of the rolling news coverage in the states. I assume that if that number of gun shots were being discharged either with the intent to injure/kill or targeted at the suspect from ill disciplined officers who got over excited that he would be a dead man. A fibreglass boat is not going to offer much protection. So, I have to conclude that if any of the front line officers had intended to kill - he would be dead.
I therefore assumed that the aim was one or both of the following:
- to show that you are there in force and that trying to run or fight back would be futile. A shock and awe tactic, to intimidate the hell out of the suspect if you like.
- to encourage him to "show his hand". If he's still got a pipe bomb or a gun you want him to try and use that limited resource early - before you get so close it will be a problem.
either way, difficult to criticise their tactics at that point of the operation when he left the scene alive and was detained a very short time after being discovered.
neal I am suggesting that maybe there were too many officers with too much attitude, ok feelings were running high, I understand that a colleague was shot etc but my understanding is that you had SWAT and normal police. Having the better trained, from a firearms point, take care of the situation may have meant less firing. Equally I don't know if he was standing up giving it back.
Is there not a possibility that they were out to execute him rather than "bring him to justice".
Zippykona, one rolling news channel in the USA did report watching someone stopped at gun point and made to strip the waste to prove they weren't carrying a bomb and another channel one of the producers was forced to the ground at gun point - for using her phone in an area where they were still worried about devices being remotely detonated.
FeeFooZokes vs bwaarp.
It reminds me of the internet in the 1990s:
"Your shit."
"No, your shit."(sic)
Except we were all on extremely slow dialup modems, so that kind of insult took about 2 days to transfer! These days it's much harder because you have way less time to come up with a proper witty retort! 😉
Agree with muddydwarf, jamj1974 "adults is a bit of a stretch!
The irony being that you're now just hurling around the insults you're moaning so much about.
Happy to take a step back. Try being 'the bigger man' you allude to being, and do likewise.
To allow the rest of us none angry people the chance to contribute to this topic I'm now going to politely request that Zokes and Bwaarp leave their keyboards for the rest of this thread.
Zokes if you are happy to take a step back then why don't you do just that rather than retaliating continually. Realistically do you think that the comments and bickering made by both you and Bwaarp are those of two intelligent adults? Additionally I have not alluded to "being the bigger man", you should really just try to get along, if you and Bwaarp want your lovers tiff please do it somewhere else rather than here.
To be fair, it does seem like zokes was the one to blame in this case.
That crap about being too clever to read a text book was just utter cockness. Along with the 'ha ha you failed' sentiment, seems like thoroughly unpleasant behaviour.
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I don't mind guys just leave it, I don't need defending - I've been pretty offensive towards people before. I'm pretty happy with my life as such words on the internet don't effect me. I just enjoy getting a reaction out of Zokes.
I do really strongly disagree with the criticism leveled at the officers though, I provided you guys with a link that discussed how they are trained to open fire in these situations. Basically they keep shooting until there is no response, they don't fire one or two aimed shots and then check to see if the target is down as that can give the suspect a chance to loose off a round.
IMO the Boston police did a commendable job and if a few of them had nerves and opened fire because they wanted to get back to their wives, considering the context....then I don't feel they can be blamed. I should imagine all of these coppers wanted the suspect captured alive so questions could be asked that would help Boston come to terms with the bombings.
At the end of the day they shot and chucked bombs at policemen...
Can we ban all politic threads (or economic ones?) Or have a seperate section for news, current affairs and politics?
The arguing is draining isnt it.
I provided you guys with a link that discussed how they are trained to open fire in these situations. Basically they keep shooting until there is no response, they don't fire one or two aimed shots and then check to see if the target is down as that can give the suspect a chance to loose off a round.
Except that doesn't really seem to fit with the reports of how the operation was performed, or indeed that it was a specialist FBI "Hostage Rescue" team who did the final job... or the use of "stun grenades" which are clearly visible in the IR footage from the helicopter, etc.
Is it just possible that there are different officers with different levels of training and skills? and that possibly different approaches might be used by different forces in different countries, and situations etc?
Not sure I see the problem. One terrorist dead, one disabled and no longer a threat. He's still alive so thay can do whatever is necesary to extract info from him to make sure they weren't part of something bigger.
At the end of the day, these guys made the conscious choice to carry out an atrocity against civilians with the aim of maiming and killing. Therefore anything that happens to them as a consequence of that is fair game.
