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Thats great, for you. Sounds like a responsible dog owner. As has been pointed out several times though, not all dog owners are. As has been asked further up too, why should a person have to get help with their issues, instead of the owners being in control of their animals? Maybe we should get the sheep to get help for their issues around this time of year too? Facetious I know, but if an owner cant control their dog off a lead, it should be on one or not taken to places where they cause the issue in the first place
As has been asked further up too, why should a person have to get help with their issues, instead of the owners being in control of their animals?
Because on is being controlled by him, the other a moron....
but if an owner cant control their dog off a lead, it should be on one or not taken to places where they cause the issue in the first place
Everyone here knows this but keeping repeating it to me won't make it any more likely to happen.
I shouldn't have to ride defensively on the road because everyone should be capable of overtaking me safely, I can moan about poor driving standards, and I do, I can hope/wish/campaign for improved enforcement, and I do, but I still have to ride in the real world amongst morons and not try to kill them, and I do that too, although on occasion I have done a few things which I'm not proud of. So I understand what you are saying, I just don't see it improving markedly any time soon.
I've been knocked over by a big dog that then growled and barked on top of me. I've had a big dog come barreling over to a family picnic and steal/wreck half the food. I've had my young daughter cowering in fear because a dog was aggressive towards her for no reason. And that's leaving aside the constant jumping up/muddied clothes/crotch-sniffing etc as mentioned above.
I'm not really sure why I'm supposed to think any of that is ok. It's nothing to do with living in constant fear.
I’m not really sure why I’m supposed to think any of that is ok.
Has anyone here suggested you should be?
Has anyone here suggested you should be?
I think tpbiker was wasn't he?
I'm with the non-doggists on this. I'm not particularly bothered about dogs so I haven't got one. As such I'm even less bothered about your dog - I don't want to talk to it, I don't want it to sniff me and I don't want to tread or ride in its shit. And I'm pretty sure (but they can't speak or type on here so I'll need to take a guess on this), the livestock in the countryside is also not keen on your dog.
I think tpbiker was wasn’t he?
Dunno, but as long as you haven't miss understood the points I've tried to make through a lack of clarity on my part, I will wish you good day, and move on! 😃
As has been asked further up too, why should a person have to get help with their issues
As described it's a phobia not an issue and at some point big as he is someone bigger, armed or more skilled will damage him. Us non-neurotypical types do need to make some adjustments to fit in with the 'normals' as it's not all about me nor is it all about you. It's about us.
There are a lot of arseholes in the World, some have dogs, some have cats, some have cars, some have bikes, some have guns, some have cancer and some have awesome internet banter.
Not in my experience, never been attacked by a dog, have been attacked by a car on lots of occasions.
Cars don't attack, drivers do
the car is usually in the drivers control, the dog usually isn't in the owners control. You have to have a test to drive one but not own the other etc etc
but I still have to ride in the real world.....
Absolutely agree with this.
It’s about us.
Again, agree. But if somebody should seek help for their phobia, then others should control their pets. If both don't do their bit, then where is the 'us'?
But if somebody should seek help for their phobia, then others should control their pets.
100% agree
If both don’t do their bit, then where is the ‘us’?
Trying to be the bigger person?
If I was left petrified by something I was likely to encounter regularly, which in 99% of cases are more annoying than dangerous I would hope I would be seeking help
If I was left petrified by something I was likely to encounter regularly, which in 99% of cases are more annoying than dangerous I would hope I would be seeking help
Good point, I'd imagine though it may not be so easy? Access to services/cost etc
Cars don’t attack, drivers do
the car is usually in the drivers control, the dog usually isn’t in the owners control. You have to have a test to drive one but not own the other etc etc
Don't see how that matters tbh, both are often annoying, sometimes scary and sometimes downright dangerous, neither are in my control (except my dog and I'd be lying if I said she'd never scared anyone or annoyed anyone, but then despite best efforts and good intentions, I've ****ed up driving my car too).
I’d imagine though it may not be so easy? Access to services/cost etc
True
One of my joys is riding with a dumb dog chasing after me with an equally dumb dog owner shouting for me and their dumb dog to stop.
No. No I won't. You can spend the next few hours searching for your dumb dog in the woods if you are too dumb to keep it on a lead or train it.
I'm sorry for Mrs_outandabout and sorry that the situation escalated like that. It often does where dogs and morons are involved.
I also had my fair share of run-ins with dog owners when I used to ride. Never actually got bitten but I was pretty sure I was going to on a number of occasions. All my fault apparently.
Until recently I had a little reactive terrier and other dog owners would let their dogs run up to her and I'd ask them to call them back and got much the same response as Matt did.
I've now got a super friendly dog with people and dogs but she is going to appear very much not like that in future as she is going to have to wear a muzzle. She has been starving in the past so scavenges for food and yesterday she found a load of chips and naan bread whilst we were out on a walk. I knew what was coming... retching in the night, having to go out twice in the early hours to eat grass (won't eat the grass in the garden so we have to take a walk), diarrhea, generally not feeling very good today. We managed not to have to go to the emergency vet this time and she'll hopefully recover with supplements and time.
The point I'm making is that human beings - dog owners, non-dog owners, the whole damn lot of us, if not in the main, at least in vast numbers, are just ****** dicks.
However, I fear this will just descend into the usual camps; those who can’t understand
how anyone can dislike dogs, and those who are indifferent or actively dislike them.
Not sure which camp I am in then. I love dogs and own two of them yet I don't want other people's dogs jumping up at me when I am riding my bike.
One of my joys is riding with a dumb dog chasing after me with an equally dumb dog owner shouting for me and their dumb dog to stop.
Well we all have to get our fun where we can but I prefer to try to avoid contravening rule 1.
If your dog chases cars, bikes, sheep... whatever it is entirely your responsibility to sort it... not the driver, rider, sheep... whatever.
Not sure which camp I am in then. I love dogs and own two of them yet I don’t want other people’s dogs jumping up at me when I am riding my bike.
I am similar - I have a dog but I don't expect her to jump up at other people (she does sometimes if someone comes to her to pet her but I apologise if it happens). I also do not expect other dogs to be allowed to come up to her when she is on her lead and I particularly hate it when people let their dogs come up to us if we are sat eating (ie, during a walk when we break for lunch). On several occasions I have had people just nonchalantly say 'don't worry, he's just after your food'. Well yes, that is obvious, but keep your dog under control and do not let it stick its head in our bag of food.
There's a lot of comment on here about people training their dogs perfectly. It is a process and doesn't always work perfectly, a bit like riding a bike, sometimes you fall off, although I'm assuming that's not that case with all the keyboard warriors who must be awesomez!
For Matt, his wife shouldn't have to put up with that, dogs should not be allowed to bother people and they certainly shouldn't be shouted at if they object to the dog approaching them.
There is a massive rise in dog ownership at the moment, I'd count as one of them too. Training is really important to me but it's not to everyone.
I really sympathise with Matt's wife.
I too have a fear of dogs, due to being bitten a number of times.
Our neighbour's mutt runs out barking and jumps up at people. The owner shouted 'what's it done to you'. when I told the dog to get away.
There has been a huge increase in dog ownership over the last year. Most of these dogs are not trained and are obese. Only yesterday I had to ask a townie* couple to put their 2 dogs on leads, as they were entering open fields and moorland with pregnant ewes and ground nesting birds on. They can't seem to read the signs.
*Townie - as they had waddled from the car without any suitable clothes on. There was snow on the ground and 2 dgrees temperature wise. The dogs were wearing bows and stuff, so looked like lap dogs.
Am I understanding this right - someone on this thread has actually, seriously and honestly, admitted to deliberately killing someone's dog?
I just presumed it was a troll tbh
I was bitten as a young child by a dog that was just "playing'. My youngest son at age 4 had 2 dogs, off their leads in a public space but immediately next to a play park, jump up and 2 paws' worth of claws scratch him. On this occasion the dog owner then threatened me when I suggested they should be on a lead next to a childrens' play park - this seemed a reasonable suggestion and was not made in any form of aggressive way by me. Dog owner walked right up to my face and shouting told me he'd get the dogs to "rip me to bits" if I didn't eff off. Off he walked with his pal twirling a very heavy looking metal chain style dog lead.
Now, I am wary of dogs having been bitten etc. I like dogs generally. I'd even go so far as to say I'd always liked the idea of having a dog as a pal, but I am allergic to (it would seem) all animal fur, hair etc. My kids have always held this against me. My best mate had dogs and they were great although they were much older and definitley not so bouncy!
Yesterday, on my morning pedal, I was chased by 4 dogs and one lady had to fight to restrain her Jack Russell which was tearing at it's lead to get at me - full Jack Russelll scary teeth baring. I swear there was evil in its eyes. Not sure she would have managed to restrain it if her pal hadn't been there too, as both of them had to hold it back. I was at least 6-7 meters away from them as the path split in 2. I endeavour to slow down, always ask to pass or wait if its a narrow route etc. I try to say 'morning' to folks I pass generally. I'm not perfect, I don't claim to be. I have no issue with responsible dog owners, just like I have no issue with responsible anyones! Yes, even car drivers and the rare white van man - especially the one who picked me up off the ground after another car had clipped me.
Total ramble of thoughts, but I actually did have a question...whilst I know it would not stop bouncy dogs and muddy paws on clothes etc. would all dogs having to wear muzzles in public be an option, or even be any help? It's a genuine question from a position of ignorance, but as there are clearly lots of dog owners on the forum I thought I'd ask. Thanks
Let's Go Fishing with Uncle Binners
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The unholy stench off them is just one of the things I don't get about dog ownership. Another is wandering around after an animal and picking up its shit. You do have to ask about who owns who in this relationship.
Baffles me.
Should I go on? I've got more... 😉
Dog owners – you may have got used to it, but your house stinks. Really. You can try and tell yourselves otherwise, but you’re wrong. Dogs are absolutely minging animals.
Yeah, we know, and we don't actually care.. 😉 😁
We have two dogs, they’re gorgeous happy friendly things, no danger to anyone. HOWEVER!!! They’re my dogs not yours, not anyone out on a ride, run, walk so I keep them with me on a leash by if I see people coming on the trail running biking etc. drives me mad when dog owners do this it’s just not bloody on. I’m not holier than thou, mine have said “hi” to people, I wasn’t watching, picking up poo, they came from an adjoining trail, my fault my dog’s. I couldn’t get them back to me and apologise quickly enough to the (admittedly un bothered) people but it’s still beside the point, my dogs should be with me not you.
Gutted that your wife’s lovely walk was ruined mate. 😢 these people sound like utter gobshites
Do you still smoke or is it just vaping now, binners?
....just one of the things I don’t get about dog ownership. Another is wandering around after an animal and picking up its shit.
It would appear that you have more in common with loads of dog owners than you first thought. 😉
Am I understanding this right – someone on this thread has actually, seriously and honestly, admitted to deliberately killing someone’s dog?
IIRC, said dog was attacking him, the owner was doing nothing [effective] to prevent it.
Sounds perfectly reasonable under the circs. ( Heavy emphasis on the
If in IIRC)
Let’s Go Fishing with Uncle Binners
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all dogs having to wear muzzles in public be an option, or even be any help?
I'm not sure it would to be honest..speaking as a lapdog owner and a rider of a bike who has actually been chased and bitten (not badly).
I do occoasionaly see some dogs being walked with leads andmuzzels on, which I presume is the owners being responsible people, as they know thier dogs may nip or bite, so I encorage that.
Something muzzels won't help with is jumping and unintentional clawing... an aquaintence once had a boxer, dumb as a rock, friendly, but they are very strong dogs and this one didn't know it's own strength and wasn't well trained. I thought it was about to slice my legs open with its claws on a few occasions when it was being 'friendly' with me.
Also like licencing, muzzels would be ignored by the owners who really should be using them.
Do you still smoke or is it just vaping now, binners?
Not smoked for about 7 years now. When I smoked I always went outside to do so. Smoking indoors is gopping too
You realise your house will smell too. It will smell of you, so give me my lovely smelling dogs anyday 🙂
We have two dogs, they’re gorgeous happy friendly things, no danger to anyone. HOWEVER!!! They’re my dogs not yours, not anyone out on a ride, run, walk so I keep them with me on a leash by if I see people coming on the trail running biking etc. drives me mad when dog owners do this it’s just not bloody on.
Also this, 100%.
I think the biggest misshap I had with mine whan he was a pup, we were in a beer garden, sat near a chap who had clearly been fishing and was enjoying a post fishing pint.
My pup was on his lead, but I turned my back for 2 secconds, and guess what, he cocked his leg and pissed on the poor guys tackle box.
That was an 'I wish the ground would swallow me up' moment... I of course emphatically appologised, but it was one of those 'the damage is done' situations.
The guy was obviously very unhappy about this, but to his credit seemed to take it as 'one of those things'. So fair play to him. I felt utterly terrible about that for a long time! though! 🙁
I’ve never understood how anyone can have a creature living in their house that smells so bad because it’s, by its nature, filthy.
You don't have teenage boys in the house then?
Stepson 2's room was referred to as the Bog of Eternal Stench for a good reason, although I'm happy to report that matters improved considerably once he started to notice girls.
I agree with Binners, our house does smell due to our minging mutt but we are used to it, however all our friends have dogs so it’s the norm. If you don’t have a dog then there is obviously some character flaw with you! 😉 On a serious note I would have just gone straight over put the dog on the lead and apologised for any distress. It’s about common courtesy and respecting other people’s personal space etc. Idiots will be idiots.
You realise your house will smell too. It will smell of you, so give me my lovely smelling dogs anyday
Thats a very valid point. Since I've been working from home all the time, all constraints on my prodigious guffing have gone by the wayside
I suppose that its handy to have something around to blame 😉
My mate had a staffie that he fed a vegetarian diet as he was veggie. Sweet jesus! It was like a four-legged chemical weapons programme. Its guffs were literally like mustard gas
Went to the park for a rather slow couch to 5k run
Two dogs both whippets
Dog walker one, kept it on lead, no issue
Dog owner two, dog of the lead, it's tearing around the park, I'm a handy target and so get repeated clearly unwanted attention, nips at me 2-3 times, owner sits on bench ignoring everything/ avoiding me. Confront, 'he just wanted to chase something" respond with with your dog nipped at me three times, response "he doesn't know how to nip", respond with next time it's the police and the council, response "they won't do anything"
He's one of those drive to the park brigade, retired, and clearly ignorant. He's a regular so it's bound to happen again
Suggestions on a postcard.....
Tricky, isn't it. I'd be smacking that dog on the nose, if I'd already given the owner the opportunity to control it yet it still nipped at me.
I'd rather not be taking it out on the dog, but if it keeps this up it's going for a 5k run at week 9
He’s one of those drive to the park brigade, retired, and clearly ignorant. He’s a regular so it’s bound to happen again
Suggestions on a postcard…..
Pfff... tough one, see also inconsiderate self intitled cyclists, drivers, walkers etc. etc. Some people just don't care.
No need to hurt the dog at all, just give it a clear non-verbal signal to back off. Only after giving the owner the opportunity to recall it of course.