I realised I missed one buzzword that the right like to throw at the feeble, woke snowflakes; "triggered".
Again, zero self-awareness from the knuckle-draggers. They seem to be far more frequently 'trigged' by non-stories like this than any other sector is triggered by anything.
Here’s a definition of ‘woke’ that I came across a while back. Anyone who disagrees with it should step away from any form of social media, and have a long and involved conversation with themselves about their attitude towards other people.
Drawing Bayesian inferences after extensive sampling, I’ve determined that it’s 99% certain that anyone who uses ’woke’ as a perjorative will turn out to be a ****head. Please don’t blame me for pointing this out - it’s just science.
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1. willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas.
2. relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
Name change required, drop the empire bit
I'd also like to to see the recipient being able to nominate the person doing the bestowing - i.e. not one of our hereditary overlords. The idea of a member of the public (well known or otherwise) being given their award for exceptional contributions they have electively carried out that makes them stand out from the crowd* by someone who got the gig by nothing more than an accident of birth is such hypocrisy. Someone given say an award for their contribution making sport in the community accessible by someone who has benefitted from their work would be so much more powerful. Or our very own scientist with a gong having it presented by a covid survivor or renown scientist if their choice.
*Painfully aware that many of these awards not have as much virtue as would most would like either. Political donation.....we'll what flavour of gong would go best with your jacket?
what flavour of gong would go best with your jacket?
I'm not an expert but I don't think you're supposed to eat them.
I have fun with Americans on social media calling me "liberal" as an insult. I politely thank them and tell them its a compliment in Europe
Words are defined by how people use them. With that, I agree. However, folk who object to the use of the word woke as a perjorative really are triggered snowflakes.
Neither do I think that these words are in any way Left Wing or Right Wing. Life really isn't as black and white as some folk seem to think.
100% agree with the hypocrisy bit, but then again I find the whole concept of the monarchy in this day and age mildly ridiculous
Someone given say an award for their contribution making sport in the community accessible by someone who has benefitted from their work would be so much more powerful. Or our very own scientist with a gong having it presented by a covid survivor or renown scientist if their choice.
Are not a lot of these awards nominated by folks or is that not how it works? Obviously tory donors are nominated by the government, but won’t tired’s peers have put him forward?
I’d have had more respect for him giving it back if he hadn’t openly stated he only accepted it in order to drum up publicity for his cause at the time.
And now, when it has more obvious negative connotations that might impact on him, he’s giving it back.
Those who never accept it in the first place, I respect their stance. Bit someone who takes it, uses it to benefit themselves, and then discards it when it might hurt them, I have less time for.
I can’t help but think if the OP pic on facebook, if they have an account, they’d be holding a carp.
As for Allan Cumming, when I seen the story I was trying to remember what I last seen him in. I can’t recall.
He was very good in My Old School. Just lip syncing.
Are not a lot of these awards nominated by folks or is that not how it works?
Yes, that was rather my point - the award recipient are nominated by people who know what impact they have had. So why get a chinless wonder who has never met them before and hasn't got a clue why they deserve it doing the last act and 'gonging' them. Also, a nice side effect would be your city types who get an obe for being very good at making money are only going to be able to find another monied city boy to do the do - no Queenie to make it look all worthy, just another greedy banker.
He was good in The Good Wife.
TBH, I've never really understood what 'woke' meant, when it started to be used as an insult it kind of lost its meaning. But if it just means you're generally a decent person who is accepting of others and their opinions, then I'm very happy to be woke, or liberal or even a snowflake!
As for Alan Cummings, I honestly couldn't give a shit what he chooses to do with his honour.
Some posters score for othering is good, others however, please try harder.
TBH, I’ve never really understood what ‘woke’ meant, when it started to be used as an insult it kind of lost its meaning. But if it just means you’re generally a decent person who is accepting of others and their opinions, then I’m very happy to be woke, or liberal or even a snowflake!
Indeed. I'd add that it is also an acknowledgment that others may have not had or are having as easy a life as you (kind of a development from when maybe we thought being 'blind' to colour, race, gender etc was the eutopian place we wanted to get to). As a straight white middle-class male I aspire to being woke, but appreciate I'm probably not as woke as I think I am.
Perhaps drop the 'Empire' and replace with Commonwealth?
Reading the list of those who rejected honours and their reasons was interesting. Roald Dhal refused an MBE because he thought he should get a Knighthood......
I worked with someone who got an MBE for charity work - the only virtue signalling I noticed was that she became very popular with management who wheeled her out at every opportunity. She was quite humble about the whole thing.
Out of curiosity what's the view on general use of post nominals in a professional capacity - are who use them 'virtue signalling'?
It speaks volumes that a poster on here is willing to be quite insulting to a regular poster in defence of an actor he’s never interacted with (not that it bothers me, I knew the response I’d get, it’s just interesting to see who seeths most).
whats the amount you post got to do with anything? You don't get special privileges if you talk nonsense someone has a right to pull you up on it.
However, folk who object to the use of the word woke as a perjorative really are triggered snowflakes.
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As for Allan Cumming, when I seen the story I was trying to remember what I last seen him in. I can’t recall.
He did a one man show at the Edinburgh Festival last summer called Burn (about Rabbie). One of the best bits of theatre I've seen in years. I think he then took it on the road.
I can’t help but think if the OP pic on facebook, if they have an account, they’d be holding a carp.
You've seen my Facebook profile pic on here. I'm definitely not holding a carp. I bloody hate fishing - a waste of outdoors time in my opinion
to be quite insulting to a regular poster in defence of an actor he’s never interacted with
Its not about defending the actor. Its about calling you out for trolling and offensive posting
I knew the response I’d get, it’s just interesting to see who seeths most).
Admitted trolling at that.
whats the amount you post got to do with anything? You don’t get special privileges if you talk nonsense someone has a right to pull you up on it.
It's more to do with the attitude of people (on here and typically of the left). If you have a polarising opinion about something, or something that doesn't toe the line with the virtuous, you receive vitriol.
In this instance, my op wasn't much more than a question, with a slice of my opinion thrown in for good measure.
You probably wouldn't notice, but whilst right of centre people such as myself. Or just people that get tired of the endless tirade of virtuos nonsense paraded these days, rarely express their opinions with much malice. Mockery maybe. The response from the opposing view however is more often than not vicious. Racist, homophobe, fascist, asshat, unpleasant, vile, Tory c-nut etc etc are all thrown about at will.
Why the word woke triggers so much anger I'm not sure, it's not even meant as that much of an insult as far as I can see. The ones most offended about it though, seem to be the ones that you might well describe as being woke without even accusing them of it in the first place. If the cap fits as someone said earlier
offensive posting
Offensive?
Where?
I don’t buy that. Anyone with half a brain knows that the British empire did an awful lot of very very bad things.
Wouldn't be so sure, a good number of people on here seem (who all have pretty much unlimited access to the internet) don't even follow current affairs, let alone anything that happened more than 10 years ago.
Does he still buy his fish from a van?
rarely express their opinions with much malice
Yes it is true, the political right are masters of the passive aggressive statement, frequently expressing nasty opinions disguised with a façade of civility.
Offensive?
Where?
If yo don't understand now then there is no way I can explain.
Edit - offensive is a bit strong but your contempt for others comes thru loud and clear
If yo don’t understand now then there is no way I can explain.
Please try Jeremy, please. If you feel so strongly about it
Trolling - if posting something you know will get a response is trolling then so be it. I think Alan has done this for other reasons than just 'doing what is right'. Others have different opinions. It's got people talking, you've engaged in the thread for whatever reason that may be. You didn't have to
Edit – offensive is a bit strong but your contempt for others comes thru loud and clear
My contempt for nonsense and virtue signalling is quite clear. As for Cumming, I have no opinion of him other than his latest stunt
My contempt for nonsense and virtue signalling is quite clear.
And yet your previous post is full of virtue signalling about how yourself and other rightwingers are too pure to insult others.
My contempt for nonsense and virtue signalling is quite clear.
Ah, Ok. As I said in my follow up post; I had no clue who you were or your opinions. Hardly recognised the username tbh. Now you've made them clear, I can see why you think my first post was offensive towards you specifically rather than the mildly racist, homophobic or misogynist more generally.
My opinions stand. I don't find people who use the term in the derogatory particularly offensive, just a flag as to who you're dealing with and their malodorous outlook on the world beyond themselves. I note your contempt and will wear it with honour. 😀
And yet your previous post is full of virtue signalling about how yourself and other rightwingers are too pure to insult others
I'm not sure you understand what virtue signalling means
Ah, Ok. As I said in my follow up post; I had no clue who you were or your opinions. barley recognised the user name tbh. Now you’ve made them clear, I can now see why you think my first post was offensive towards you specifically.
To be honest, I wasn't really aware of you, but I'm 100% sure I really wouldn't enjoy having a beer with you. You're quite tiresome. I couldn't even be bothered to pull you up on your blatant backtracking earlier
I really wouldn’t enjoy having a beer with you.
Gutted. If you change your mind, you know where to find me sweetcheeks 😗
I’m not sure you understand what virtue signalling means
Seems a pretty clear cut example of claiming that you are good based on alleged behaviour compared to other groups.
Of course you might not consider yourself to be virtue signalling but that doesn't stop it being so.
Seems a pretty clear cut example of claiming that you are good based on alleged behaviour compared to other groups.
Nope it's an observation of the viciousness of the righteous left if you dare to have a different opinion.
Don't pretend it doesn't happen
Disagreeing with your opinions is not vicious. Being unable to cope with those that disagree however is a skill that may need some work.
Disagreeing with your opinions is not vicious. Being unable to cope with those that disagree however is a skill that may need some work.
It depends how that disagreement is expressed to be fair
As for unable to cope, I've been here for well over 20 years. I think I can cope
Finding it quite amusing how regular posters are claiming not to recognise (the usernames of) other regular posters. 😀
Finding it quite amusing how regular posters are claiming not to recognise (the usernames of) other regular posters. 😀
<Out of toying with the right winger mode mode> yeah, it might be a bit of failing of mine. Rarely pay as much attention to whom I'm replying to as I should 😀. Got it wrong the other week and was really quite rude to someone who didn't deserve it as I scanned the name and mistook it for another. Had to apologise profusely.Maybe its being dyslexic - words other than those in common usage, like usernames, I don't really 'see'. </Out of toying with the right winger mode mode>
Nope it’s an observation of the viciousness of the righteous left if you dare to have a different opinion.
Ah yes of course. Its always someone elses fault isnt it? As for the "righteous" again this seems to be something you are trying hard to claim.
Ah yes of course. Its always someone elses fault isnt it? As for the “righteous” again this seems to be something you are trying hard to claim.
No, it's an observation of what happens frequently with left wing mouthpieces and frequently on here.
I'm not claiming to be righteous, just pointing out that I don't resort to personal insults, however much I might disagree with someone. It seems acceptable on here though, so I might start.
Questioning the timing of a show of virtue by a celeb though, goodness me, how dare I
Get a grip
rarely express their opinions with much malice
That's kind of irrelevant when the opinions themselves are inherently malicious.
It’s more to do with the attitude of people (on here and typically of the left). If you have a polarising opinion about something, or something that doesn’t toe the line with the virtuous, you receive vitriol...
For me people calling out "virtue signalling" and "wokeism" its like give it a rest. Often someone does something nice and someone feels they need to pull them down and label them woke or a virtue signaller. Ultimately for me when someone uses these words it feels like there is sense of arrogance and bitterness around it. Its also a bit of a cop out like when people say something rude or offensive and just go "lolz bantzzzz"
To your original point, there must be a deeper reason as to why you were offended / triggered / annoyed about the giving back his obe and what that is who knows. Maybe its because hes calling out negatives you may not want to acknowledge about British history, maybe you think hes sticking 2 fingers up at something you see value in. What ever it was it was enough for you to make a post about it.
That’s kind of irrelevant when the opinions themselves are inherently malicious.
So everyone's who has an opinion that's right of centrist is malicious? This view is part of the problem. You believe that anything apart from your view is not just wrong, but hateful. I'm not talking about far right idiots
