An 'issue' involving a UK software fault or an 'issue' that's come from a non descript office block in Moscow??? A bit of coincidence that there's a problem on one of the busiest days in the year!!!
Is this the one where the "issue" is that someone ****ed off with the equipment?
Seems like you'd be more likely to see an issue on a busier day than a quiet one? System being run up to its eyeballs and the like
Makes you think.
Until you apply logic like Mashr has.
Yeah brilliant - my wife is stuck in Netherlands. Was supposed to be flying back this evening - earliest flight she can get home is now Wednesday morning, if it goes.
I remember saying don';t forget your laptop so you can work at your mums if anything goes wrong......*looks across to her laptop on the study table....
don't bet on there being much spare capacity over the next few days either. Seems like people may be out of pocket for all hotel etc expenses too
I am loving all the opportunist politicians jumping on the “government must do something” bandwagon. The last thing the people sorting shit out need is to be explaining to the transport minister for two hours how it all works and what they are doing to fix it!
My daughter's flying out to a swim training camp in Spain at 06:10 from LHR. I suspect that I'll still have to get her there for 04:00 at which point she'll have to wait all day. No info on the flight, BA site says "Sorry, we are having an issue with our system at the moment, please try again later."
The last thing the people sorting shit out need is to be explaining to the transport minister for two hours how it all works
Absolutely, I work on a critical banking system and when things go horribly wrong (thankfully not often in the last 10 years) we set up 2 bridges, one for the important people actually fixing the problem and one for the senior people to talk amongst themselves.
Currently in Ibiza and due to fly back to Leeds Tuesday lunchtime. Nothing at all on the Jet2 website about the issue and this wasn’t a package deal so not sure of the obligations for any necessary further nights away. News reports suggest the issue is fixed but it’s going to be a backlog to clear. Ideally, not spending hours in an airport departure lounge but presumably the hotel can kick us out as per the booked duration. Taxi booked for 9:30 in the morning but seems optimistic at the moment that the flight will leave at any sort of scheduled time.
Who flys on a BH weekend.. always goes wrong.
My daughter’s flying out to a swim training camp in Spain at 06:10 from LHR. I suspect that I’ll still have to get her there for 04:00 at which point she’ll have to wait all day. No info on the flight, BA site says “Sorry, we are having an issue with our system at the moment, please try again later.”
Similar here: I'm flying with Ryanair at 7am tomorrow, leaving my house about 5am, and wondering when I might know whether or not said flight is going.
Presumably it'll come down to whether they have an appropriate plane in the right place, and who knows about that really
Fadda jnr and I are supposed to be flying back from Geneva to Bristol tomorrow afternoon, after a disastrous (weather-wise) 4 days in Châtel.
Supposed to be back in work on Wednesday morning... 🙄
What is most annoying is that my wife tried to book a Eurostar back and whilst there was plenty of availability it was 300 E plus the fare from where she is to Utrecht and then back to Brighton on a UK train making it almost 400 E in total which is crazy when her Easyjet flight was 100 E.
BBC News has a piece about a comedian who is "stuck" in Edinburgh because his flight to London has been cancelled. He might not be able to fly til tomorrow evening. Imagine how silly he's going to feel when he finds out Edinburgh isn't on its own island surrounded by unnavigable seas!
Wasn’t supposed to be flying till Thursday but had to change flights a few weeks ago as my Mums Brain Tumour Op has been cancelled twice. So we land the morning of her op now. So can go see her in the afternoon.
Currently sat in Manchester Airport waiting for our Aircraft that left Bulgaria late and instead of 1650 departure it’s now going at 21:06.
Feel sorry for the return flight supposed to leave Rhodes at 2355 but now leaving at 0417. We’re due to arrive at 03:30 instead of 2300.
Understandable for the delay, currently watching the planes with a coffee so I’m well occupied.
@winston that seems a standard Eurostar fee for train in the next week...needs booked about 9 months in advance to get any savings...
What with one thing and another flying anywhere seems to be like a great way to get screwed over and stressed out these days, and that’s without even considering the environmental damage.
Family holiday tomorrow so hope it's sorted out by 17.00!!
@soundninja I totally agree. I don't fly - its a decision I made more than a decade ago due to environmental issues (as I used to LOVE flying). But also, I'm not a dictator and my wife has family abroad. Having said that my wife recently quit her job as it involved a lot of trans atlantic flights for something local.
But she just booked to see her mum in October and decided to take the train and it has cost double. We are lucky we can afford it but you can't blame people for flying when its a 3rd the cost. Got to love big oil
BBC News has a piece about a comedian who is “stuck” in Edinburgh because his flight to London has been cancelled
MCJnr finished at the Fringe on Friday and should have got the train back Saturday, but the RMT union had other ideas. The station on Sunday was apparently carnage with two days of Fringe travellers plus rugby fans...
but you can’t blame people for flying when its a 3rd the cost. Got to love big oil
I was looking at getting the train to Toulouse in October. £278 return compared to £38 return on Ryanair. 🤯
Hope anyone stuck at an airport is ok. I m flying Wednesday, only changed it due to rail strikes on Saturday. Picked the cheapest flight to Spain for 20 quid, just looked it up, it's now on sale for 385 quid, plus extras of course. Good old Ryanair, never miss a chance to make money.
If there was a clearing system to surrender flights i d sell it on, I can go anytime.
To anyone stuck, flights are only top money for the next 3 days, then back to 30 quid or so.
tomorrow's front pages reporting continued impacts for days 🙄 I knew I should have booked the ferry and taken the bike...
Currently on the tarmac in Toronto waiting to finish boarding. No mention of any delays from the Air Transat, but it wouldn’t be the first time i’ve boarded a flight to be told we’re going nowhere.
Fingers crossed for everyone travelling over the next few days.
BA472 all OK on the BA flight checker when I went to bed, up at 02:30, now marked as cancelled. Not unexpected. Sadly the swim training camp is only 4 days so if the flight gets moved too many days my daughter will miss it.
My wife has been dog sitting for a week, and now for some extra days as the owners are stuck in Italy for as long as it takes!
What with one thing and another flying anywhere seems to be like a great way to get screwed over and stressed out these days, and that’s without even considering the environmental damage.
With us, every other trip seems to involve an unplanned hotel stay. The expectation hardly makes for a relaxing holiday.
BBC News has a piece about a comedian who is “stuck” in Edinburgh because his flight to London has been cancelled. He might not be able to fly til tomorrow evening. Imagine how silly he’s going to feel when he finds out Edinburgh isn’t on its own island surrounded by unnavigable seas!
I saw one yesterday about a family in the South of France and the bloke was saying that they might be delayed for 5-6 days, they both needed to be back at work and if they were delayed that long they'd need a hotel, who paid.
Do people need spoon feeding EVERYTHING - get a train(s), or hire a car FFS!
And folk expecting their airlines to know what's happening - they know barely more than the rest of us at the moment, and are also dealing with it.
leaving for east mids in an hour or so, flight still officially going. probably be delayed but feel lucky we didnt choose our usual stansted option as thats been cancelled for today.
Do people need spoon feeding EVERYTHING – get a train(s), or hire a car FFS!
I remember a few years ago when there was flooding around Christmas time and the railway line from Bristol to Exeter blocked and there were folks at Paddington being interviewed for the TV, moaning they could not get to Devon etc etc--but why they did not just hop over to Waterloo and get the train (SWT) from there to Exeter (via Salisbury) instead presumably reflects, in part, our fragmented rail system and, I suspect, poor public knowledge of our rail network... there are always alternatives if we seek them out.
Many years ago now I was in the Algarve when that Icelandic volcano shut down air travel for a few days. We ended up getting a train to Lisbon, stayed there a few days waiting for tickets to be available on a bus to Paris, then train/ferry/train.
With us, every other trip seems to involve an unplanned hotel stay. The expectation hardly makes for a relaxing holiday.
When do you reach the tipping point where it's not worth flying for a holiday? I'm curious as to when a UK break would become more attractive?
I’m curious as to when a UK break would become more attractive?
My main reason for travelling out of the country is snowy mountains to ski down, I don't think we have many very reliable ones of those, although I'm not sure the Alps will this year either partly at least because of those flights to get to them, I'm aware of the irony.
I’m curious as to when a UK break would become more attractive?
A UK (or Ireland) based holiday is always my preference, and we've been going to Yorkshire for family hols for a while now as it has got something for everyone 🙂 but this year my teenage daughter wanted to have a 'proper' holiday somewhere hot and sunny so we headed to Mallorca, we were fortunate in our timing--no storms, no flight probs--though we did have 45 degrees on one day... it was great, and my daughter absolutely loved it, but for me organising passports, insurance, carparking, car hire etc etc, lots of stress, it'd have been a lot easier just getting the boat over from NI to Liverpool to go to Yorkshire!
Gave up on foreign holidays years ago! Always got back more stressed with all the Travel/Airport/Delay shite.
Cottage break usually north of Scotland now 🙂
Not holidayed abroad for 5 years now - in fact don't even have a passport now, lapsed during Covid and not needed since. Like others - there's so much to see and do in the UK, I thought I'd be back to overseas again but having been 'forced' into UK breaks I'm now actually more committed to trying not to.
I get that it's hard to ski or reef dive or whatever in the UK, and if that's your thing then I guess as long as your environmental conscience allows it then it's your only option. However -
My daughter’s flying out to a swim training camp in Spain at 06:10 from LHR
I know eg: football teams go overseas for warm weather training when needed (and sponsorship obligations too, nowadays) but what? What gets done in Spain that can't be done in a pool in the UK?
I know eg: football teams go overseas for warm weather training when needed (and sponsorship obligations too, nowadays) but what? What gets done in Spain that can’t be done in a pool in the UK?
For pre qualification my wife is a swim England official and kids compete / train regularly. She informs me that the number of 50m pools and adequate facilities for National and international level competition is woefully inadequate within the UK. For example, the only facility to that standard for London and the Home Counties is the Stratford Olympic pool, and of course it could not accommodate all of the clubs requiring it’s time during the non competition period.
Edit: for understanding swimming an a different sized pool is different and more challenging especially for children and especially during completion.
Our 10 night (package) holiday was cancelled this morning with 2 hours notice 😔
Have booked another for Friday for 8 nights in a nicer hotel instead. Frustrating, but not the end of the world and understandable given the issues.
Do people need spoon feeding EVERYTHING – get a train(s), or hire a car FFS!
This is a bit snotty. It's the week before French schools go back and the Rugby World Cup in Paris. Most trains between eg Marseille-Paris-Calais are booked this week, take 8 hours, and cost £200 a ticket. Then there is a ferry crossing and the shitshow of expensive and unavailable tickets within the UK to wherever the people live.
One way car rentals are generally very expensive (particularly international) - and again it's the height of summer.
All this while (it sounds like) they need to be working and ignoring the possibility that someone might have special needs.
Not everyone can afford or handle a 1-3 day surface journey at zero notice. For a family of 2 adults, 2 kids, that could quite easily be thousands of pounds.
I had a nightmare week of cancelled planes earlier this year and was able to roll with the punches - but it cost me €1500 out of pocket and I'm still battling to recover some of that from insurance.
So it transpires one of my new colleagues is married to someone senior in NATS.
Apparently the trigger for the issues was basically a 'dodgy flight plan' which was submitted electronically (as is normal) which is then processed electronically/automagically.
Seems something a couple of days ago was the equivalent of some shit code in a programme or perhaps a dodgy attachment...which tripped everything up.
Thanks, that's interesting. I didn't quite believe you, 'knowing' we have one just up the road in Guildford but mr google has confirmed it.
Sort of - to derail the thread completely, if Mrs K57 is still available, apart from not being actually olympic sized, and maybe rules that demand it is there a major difference where a pool is 50m long but only 20m wide? Lanes don't get smaller, they just have fewer lanes (8 vs 10 lanes in a 25m wide). Is there an issue with being close to the edge (from memory the olympics have 10 lanes but only 8 swimmers??)
Fascinated.... and why if there is a big difference why so many 50x20's have been built if they're useless in anger?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_long_course_swimming_pools_in_the_United_Kingdom
I flew out of LHR this morning, what was meant to be a 7.30am flight ended up leaving 45mins late & due to be back in tomorrow. It didn’t seem ‘too’ bad in T5.
Some others flew back this afternoon into London City all ok.
Hoping it should be fine by the morning.
Do people need spoon feeding EVERYTHING – get a train(s), or hire a car FFS!
This spectacularly misses the point for most people...because...
Not everyone can afford or handle a 1-3 day surface journey at zero notice.
Apparently the trigger for the issues was basically a ‘dodgy flight plan’ which was submitted electronically (as is normal) which is then processed electronically/automagically.
Seems something a couple of days ago was the equivalent of some shit code in a programme or perhaps a dodgy attachment…which tripped everything up.
I’m not saying you are incorrect but that seems a bit odd to me. I am not an expert on computers or the Swanick system but the flight plan is just information. It doesn’t change code or alter the software. I’d also be a bit surprised if after all this time someone has found a bug which could crash the whole system. I may be proved wrong…
EDIT. In fact I have been. A dodgy flight plan is what it was. Who knew?
