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Sweeping generalisation methinks!
completely unfounded I should think, but that never stops me 🙂
The good news for STWers is that, according to the Observer magazine on Sunday, there will be a hetero "Grindr" app available by the end of 2010. We should all sign up to the current Grindr with our STW usernames, with a photo of ourselves wearing chaps and stetsons...in the meantime, like 🙂
[i]The heterosexual equivalent would be to walk down the street asking every girl you liked if she wanted a quick knee trembler. It's simply not done.[/i]
Well apart from Cardiff city on a friday night 🙂
Don't listen to the politically correct liberal elite on here Berm Bandit.
The vile drug-crazed pervert makes me gag with rage and disgust.
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A bullet/broom-handle/red-hot poker/whatever, up his jacksie, would put an end to his sick perverted drug-filled life........ [i]and[/i] save precious oxygen for decent folk to breathe.
The heterosexual equivalent would be to walk down the street asking every girl you liked if she wanted a quick knee trembler.
eventually someone says yes and you've scored!
I think Simon just suggested that gay men only have sexual intercourse with one another because doing it with rats, pigeons and urban foxes doesn't work from a mechanical point of view
I was rather implying that countryfolk* of either persuasion were partial to it...
* or I suppose anyone else desperate for lurve!
Just goes to show that SfB has very little actual contact with people who actually [i]live[/i] in the country. I think it's towney types who can't find anything bigger than a fox that won't bite who go looking for a little 'farmyard fun'.
Just goes to show that SfB has very little actual contact with people who actually live in the country
You're labouring under the apprehension that I would allow fact to cloud my creative impulse 🙂 However one might expect propinquity to count for something...
I might if I knew what it meant 🙂
He looked ok in Eli Stone!
I think it's towney types who can't find anything bigger than a fox that won't bite who go looking for a little 'farmyard fun'.
I think you'll find [i]that[/i] is what SFB was suggesting ......... the poor availability of farmyard animals in towns, is driving men to hang around public lavatories instead.
Although quite why a man who feels a strong urge to have sex with, say a pig, should decide instead to hang around the gents in the hope of shagging some random bloke, I'm not entirely sure 😕
Still, whilst Simon's contributions are rarely constructive, they do provide him with an opportunity to impress everyone with his [i]huge[/i] arsenal of obscure words.
I like George Michael he is rather entertaining. Although all that pretending to be straight during the Wham! years was a bit tedious and not very convincing.
His stand with Sony was quite corageous too.
Drink driving very uncool tho, it has to be said.
they do provide him with an opportunity to impress everyone with his huge arsenal of obscure words.
it's a rarely known language called [b]English[/b] kiddo. As it happens I usually retain any words I read, particularly if I know what they mean, and then I use them 🙂
FYI I don't think much of a useful contribution [b]could[/b] be made to this thread...
propinquity is a perfectly cromulent word 🙂
Whether or not he has sex with country people, I think George looks more "engaged" with his surroundings in the OP's link than mere alcohol would allow
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my money's on nutmeg, or maybe the stringy bit off bananas
propinquity is a perfectly [b]cromulent[/b] word
great new word :o)
George Michael is really not worth worrying about -so a slightly faded gay popstar is a bit of an idiot. can we have some news?
I find Jordan and her ilk far more annoying famous for what exactly? That and Popstars with no talent such as Cheryl Cole. And peaches Geldorf FFS.
At least George Michael wrote some good songs
great new word :o)
How about "phuckeridoo" ......... have you ever heard that word before ? As in "much [i]phuckeridoo[/i] about [i]phuckawl[/i]". Actually there's [i]two[/i] words there daddio, which you might not have heard before - two [i]great[/i] words. Not sure where I picked them up from.......reading something by Shakespeare I think.
I rather like the idea of a once great pop star begging for sex in toilets. Wish he'd get a taxi when he's had a smoke though.
I think he's a really fantastic singer and songwriter. He wrote Careless Whisper when he was 16, you know. I think I own 2 or 3 albums.
However, he's a selfish fkcuknuckle when it comes to driving when impaired (especially when he can easily afford to take a cab/driver home) and for that he deserves a kicking. I also suspect that you have to have a certain amount of cruelty or cold-heartedness to be in a one-sided open relationship but Kenny Whathisname is a grown-up so...
reading something by Shakespeare I think.
yeah, "Wevver tis nobbler in the fackin mind to saffer
The fackin slings and bleedin arrows of outrageous fackin fortune darlin
Ower to take a fackin great shootah and blow the bladdy dowers orf innit?" etc
Hi from China.
Just to let you know that I'm not hiding.
Cottaging is generally the act of going to a known rendezvous such as a public toilet and engaging in sexual acts with a total stranger or even group of strangers. I happen to know becuase as a student I worked for a number of years in a gay pub. The practice is often frowned upon by gay men, as it does encourage a very negative reaction toward gay men in the straight community. Not to mention the fact that it has also led to a wholesale destruction of public toilets across the country. Think about it, how often do you see public places where the loo has gone? There is a reason.
Personally, I find GM particularly distasteful, due to his arrogance and failure to recognise that he has serious mental problems. However, I do also therefore recognise by that token that he is in trouble and in need of help. Just wondered whether anyone else might pick up on that fact..... apparently not and find it more progressive to stick the boot in and pick holes in the OP. Hurrah for the STW massif.
Anyway, currently enroute to find new and better places to get the shirt in a photo for the club shirt on tour thread elsewhere.
BB
PS: Met my first two openly gay men in Shanghai yesterday. Very funny guys wearing make-up and lip stick and holding hands in a shopping mall. Strong statement in a country where until recently that would have led to severe retribution. Now that I do admire!
I may or may not have had cause to intervene in a fracas in/at/on the Russell Sq superloo with GM a few years back, quite a few actually now. Long story. 😯
It's simply not done.
Well when is the last time you got out of your flat?
Personally, I find GM particularly distasteful, due to his arrogance and failure to recognise that he has serious mental problems
That's an odeous bridge-dwelling.. goat-eating statement shirley!?
I dunno about George being very mental... and to be honest I don't pay him very much attention.. or any other celebrity for that matter.. (paying attention to celebrities being a serious form of mental deficiency IMO)..
The guy shouldn't have a driving licence that much is for sure.. but the rest? Well he's just a daft old queen who likes his drugs and booze and walking on the wild side isn't he..?
I don't really think that makes him mentally ill.. Unless non-conformity and enjoying the thrills of the seedier side of life has become a mental illness again? That sort of attitude harks back to a much darker world and would be a very sad thing indeed..
Not to mention the fact that it has also led to a wholesale destruction of public toilets across the country.
Really? Someone is having a lot rougher sex than me, then!!
Just wondered whether anyone else might pick up on that fact..... apparently not and find it more progressive to stick the boot in and pick holes in the OP. Hurrah for the STW massif.
Indeed Hurrah for us, your post was highly opinionated and bordering on homophobic, you in the wrong place if you think people are going to side with you.
Cottaging is generally the act of going to a known rendezvous such as a public toilet and engaging in sexual acts with a total stranger or even group of strangers. I happen to know becuase as a student I worked for a number of years in a gay pub
No shit sherlock.
Now im no expert on cottaging but I know where the local spot is, just like I know where the local dogging spot is. I avoid them both but I wouldnt stop other consenting adults from participating. Everyone needs a hobby.
I avoid them both but I wouldnt stop other consenting adults from participating. Everyone needs a hobby.
I think the problem arises when people who don't know about these local spots find themselves witnessing something they have a pretty clear right not to experience in a public place - whether that be Mrs Middle-class Suberbia being splattered by a circle of men or two (or more) gay men enjoying each other.
I must lead a sheltered life because I have never come across ( 😉 ) either.
Just wondered whether anyone else might pick up on that fact..... apparently not and find it more progressive to stick the boot in and pick holes in the OP. Hurrah for the STW massif.
Who is George Michael again ? I don't know about progressive but it's more fun taking you to task than slagging off absent 3rd parties :o)
Drink driving very uncool tho, it has to be said.
Though to be fair he never gets far does he.
Thats a fair point MF, but you focus on the gay scenario in your reply, its the almost unconcious view that its worse if its two men that I find disturbing. Why not have designated, publicised areas for this type of thing, then no-one would come across it unawares.
Some people dont want to see bikers flying through the woods, doesn't mean its wrong
Thats a fair point MF, but you focus on the gay scenario in your reply, its the almost unconcious view that its worse if its two men that I find disturbing. Why not have designated, publicised areas for this type of thing, then no-one would come across it unawares
That's agood idea, you could drop leaflets off and everything. Perhaps even organise open days.
....and find it more progressive to stick the boot in and pick holes in the OP. Hurrah for the STW massif.
It would not be STW unless at least once a week there was a thread which went:1) OP states opinion they believe to be held by the majority of STW.
2) It isn't.
3a)[b] OP either gets narky and defensive[/b] or 3b) abandons thread never to return.
3a it is.
Thats a fair point MF, but you focus on the gay scenario in your reply,
I didn't focus on the gay scenario at all, I gave two examples, one straight, one gay.
whether that be Mrs Middle-class Suberbia being splattered by a circle of men or two (or more) gay men enjoying each other.
I was just making the point that either gay or straight, it shouldn't be accepted behaviour in a public place.
EDIT: And used the dogging and cottaging type examples to illustrate my point.
to the OP, there are people having more fun than you, in ways that you may not choose, but either way, no need for envy and hate, just accept that you haven't much going on in your life and either change it or be submissive and seeth within your IKEA lounge - let us know how you get on
An even fairer point MF, misread your post. But gays and doggers are members of the public and have the right to pursue their interests. We set aside, and publicise, beaches for nudists, why not other special interest groups?
But gays and doggers are members of the public and have the right to pursue their interests. We set aside, and publicise, beaches for nudists, why not other special interest groups?
Yes, true, but they don't have the right to pursue them [i]in public[/i], and the segregation of public toilets and FC car parks into shagging/non-shagging sections probably isn't realistic. In any case, I suspect (based on nothing, I admit) that it's the public aspect that's part of the kink for both doggers and cottagers. If it were just about the shagging, then they could go to any number of swingers' clubs and gay bars, surely?
I'll admit to playing devils advocate a bit here, but my point is that sex is not intrisically bad, and if we start banning stuff because we find it distasteful then where does it end?
The FC puts a fair effort into segregating walkers from bikers, why not extend that principle
sex is not intrisically bad, and if we start banning stuff because we find it distasteful then where does it end?
Absolutely not, neither is taking a shit or being naked. But it is simply a case of behaving in what is widely regarded as decent behaviour in a public place.
If someone was trying to ban gay sex in the privacy of your own home then fair enough, but this discussion isn't about that.
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Hi from China.Just to let you know that I'm not hiding.
Cottaging is generally the act of going to a known rendezvous such as a public toilet and engaging in sexual acts with a total stranger or even group of strangers. I happen to know becuase as a student I worked for a number of years in a gay pub. The practice is often frowned upon by gay men, as it does encourage a very negative reaction toward gay men in the straight community. Not to mention the fact that it has also led to a wholesale destruction of public toilets across the country. Think about it, how often do you see public places where the loo has gone? There is a reason.
Personally, I find GM particularly distasteful, due to his arrogance and failure to
blah blah blah blahblah... oh, get a F+CKING LIFE!!!! 🙄
Absolutely not, neither is taking a shit or being naked. But it is simply a case of behaving in what is widely regarded as decent behaviour in a public place.
Ah but we do tolerate public nudity in designated, publicised areas, even taking a shit is allowed in public toilets :-).
The public place bit - I wonder if it's because some of the participants can't take it home.
Hanging around a FC car park in the middle of the day in broad daylight as a support crew for a rider in an event the other week we noticed a lot (and I mean a lot - 4 or 5 an hour) of vehicles coming into the car park with a single bloke. They would hang around for a few mins, staring at us then go on their way. A lot of them were in builder/decorators vans and the like. Around the car park we must have found 20-30 used condoms discarded on the floor. After a few hours a FC worker turned up to clear up the car park & empty the bins. Having a chat with him apparently this was a well known gay rendezvous spot and he thought a lot of the cars and vans pitching up would have been there to play but had been put off by our presence. He also said he came by this car park every other day and the condoms on the floor would have been just 48hrs worth 😯 .
I know its putting two and two together, but I'm wondering how many of these blokes were leading "straight" lives with wives and kids and this was just a bit of something else on the side therefore could not take it home.
even taking a shit is allowed in public toilets
And if two adult men were having sex in a public toilet, with the door closed, they would be very unlucky to be charged with anything.
But if a gay man propositioned someone with his member out and standing to attention in a public toilet he probably would be charged with public indecency. And so would a straight man.
I know its putting two and two together, but I'm wondering how many of these blokes were leading "straight" lives with wives and kids and this was just a bit of something else on the side therefore could not take it home.
Perhaps, but it isn't an excuse to do it in a public place still.
Youre right enough mate, it is a decency issue rather than one based on sexuality, and converts post illustrates the unpleasant fallout for others. I am just umcomfortable comdemning people for their choice of recreation. I accept that it is sometimes neccesary but I think we need to be careful that we dont draw the line unfairly. For me playing devils advocate is a way of considering this.
Thinking about it tho, didnt i read recently that we do have a legal right to outdoor sex, provided you could reasonably expect to be unobserved? Maybe thats the key then.
didnt i read recently that we do have a legal right to outdoor sex, provided you could reasonably expect to be unobserved?
That wouldn't surprise me - they couldn't possibly legislate against people having whatever consensual sex they wish to have if it is unobserved. But the minute someone catches them they are observed and lay themselves open to charges being made - if it could be proven they didn't take reasonable steps to ensure they weren't.