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you mean this we that just voted over 50 percent, means split down the middle
kind of make its more you and them
the word advisory was never used in the run up to the vote.
People can read for themselves, but accept the wider point
The voters believe it was a decision, the language used was about the nation deciding, Cameron said it in his resignation speech again. Irrespective of the legal terms of the referendum.
By the looks of things, voters believed lots of things that were not true. Makes no difference apparently. So we cant cherry pick.
If anyone is thinking about the "advisory" aspect of the referendum, its most likely to be Bojo and Gove. They have exposed themselves now and there are few hiding places.
IMHO the only chance is if we have negotiate a "settlement" which is really crap with no EU access - ie what will actually happen- then we can ask if folk want to accept this
Merkel's spokesman is now saying there won't be any negotiations, formal or otherwise until they have our Art 50 letter in their hand.
But that might be a fib too.
Of the 17.4 million people who voted Leave, 1.1 million now say they wish they had not, if the results of a Survation poll are to be believed.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-bregret-leave-petition-second-remain-latest-will-we-leave-a7105116.html
But then the pollsters are wrong most of the time.I bet most of the 18-24 yoofs would also get off their bums and vote stay too.
BBC Today program reported however that a proportion of people who voted Remain would now vote Out. Which i find equally bewildering as the Out vote in the first place. based on the poll they reported (sorry, don't remember whose it was) the majority would now be 400,000 but still siding with Leave.
I don't know if anyone's polled the 'I didn't vote first time but now i would' types, but my perception is while that would also be split, there would be a predominance of Remain in that segment simply because people thought they didn't need to vote because it wa sa foregone conclusion.
Can we sue Johnson and Gove?
Out of all of this cluster..... I would hope there's two good things that come out of this:
1. That the public are more engaged in how the country is run, the turnout in the referendum being higher than the last general election begins to point to this.
2. More people learn to not just believe what's being said and do a bit of research yourself to see if what's being said is true, half true or just fantasy.
Philxx- I think you'll find that even the people who did vote to leave, are not even near 50% of the overall population.
The government should act in the interests of the country, and if this is going to harm the lives of many people, then they should take action.
More people learn to not just believe what's being said and do a bit of research yourself to see if what's being said is true, half true or just fantasy
I doubt that will happen - not whilst the majority of voters take their information from the tabloids, the only possibility is that people that do have a good grasp of the issues will hopefully attempt to discuss openly and force the genuine issues onto illiterate voters
The government should act in the interests of the country, and if this is going to harm the lives of many people, then they should take action.
^^^Now this is fair enough
but over the past week lots of people have moved the goalpost to suit their argument, shown what completely hideous people they are depending on wether you sided with them or not, and tried to to say a democratic vote is only valid if my side wins.
the true statement was "you lost-get over it" now how to fix it
I doubt that will happen - not whilst the majority of voters take their information from the tabloids, the only possibility is that people that do have a good grasp of the issues will hopefully attempt to discuss openly and force the genuine issues onto illiterate voters
Actually this is exactly the point, the fallout we're going through now is showing exactly how poor the reporting (and campaigning) was, and the "uproar" from those who voted to exit on the basis of that may just trigger the notion of research.
Maybe....
Possibly....
🙂
the true statement was "you lost-get over it" now how to fix it
No, the true statement is "oh ****, we won, but only just, now who can we blame for this mess"
Philxx, agreed, lots of people have become vile, and it has completely split the nation and been one of the most divisive things I have experienced.
What I am trying to say, is that if it turns out that actually it will be detrimental to the country as a whole, then surely the government should take action and be brave enough to say, 'we feel the outcome was wrong, and for these reasons..., here is what we propose to do...'. However no one has come out with a clear plan at all, and during the whole debate both sides were equally guilty at scaremongering and preying on peoples fears, when actually all we wanted were facts that could be substantiated (most of us anyway).
Philxx, agreed, lots of people have become vile,
I'd argue that rather than becoming vile, I've found out that there are quite a lot of already vile people in the country; far more than i believed.
Whether the decision to Leave goes ahead or not - that fact is one that needs addressing far more urgently. Whether in or out of Europe, isolationist bigotry has no place in Britain and whatever side of the vote you were on, you need to stand up and condemn it equally.
may be I should have said, many are showing their true colours.
Can we sue Johnson and Gove?
For damages? Currently adding up to, erm, really rather a lot?
I'm in.
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Of the 17.4 million people who voted Leave, 1.1 million now say they wish they had not, if the results of a Survation poll are to be believed.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-bregret-leave-petition-second-remain-latest-will-we-leave-a7105116.html
But then the pollsters are wrong most of the time.
I bet most of the 18-24 yoofs would also get off their bums and vote stay too.
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NOT exactly so my Daughter age 22 never voted nor her friends as they thought no matter how we voted it would be rigged and staying in would be the only option. So dream again!!
kickstarter?
[quoteI bet most of the 18-24 yoofs would also get off their bums and vote stay too
Yup the realzation that stuff isn't going to be handed to them on a plate might motivate them to actually get off their bums, something they obviously couldn't be arsed to do either
I'd argue that rather than becoming vile, I've found out that there are quite a lot of already vile people in the country; far more than i believed.
This^ . It's certainly highlighted certain people in my home town along with a few business establishments i will now avoid, I've let them know it as well with an explanation (i made sure i very courteous) as to why i will no be shopping in their establishment and i only received one response of "[i]well **** off then[/i]".
It will do no good but it makes me feel a bit better. 😐