[Closed] 2nd EU Referendum Petition.....

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@MWS

Feeling nervous about being held to account yet?

spotted the chairs Zokes?
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I hadn't, but a bit of googling reveals the link...

Meanwhile, at Vote Leave HQ:

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Jamba - petition equals democracy in action. Suck it up princess. 😉

As I understand it any UK resident and any GB citizen wherever live can vote - allows the disenfranchised to speak.

Jamba - petition equals democracy in action. Suck it up princess.

However the man who actually set up the petitions process , the actual process where after 100,000 votes it gets debated stated live on the Radio 4 this morning

"it doesnt matter how many signatures the petition gets it will not trigger a second referendum , the best it can hope for is to be debated in parliament"

democracy at work

Which is all it needs really.

It's about giving remain leaning MPs the confidence to do the right thing in a parliamentary democracy.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36634407
Well it's been investigated for fake signatures, given it's 30x the threshold of being looked at then .....

Nice, not only sore losers but seemingly willing to commit fraud in order to push their agenda....you couldn't make it up.

No deviant, a lot of pressure to make sure it's real... 30x the threshold for getting debated

Absolutely redicolous. This will question the very heart of how Democraticly voting system and everything around it.
I suppose you could always use your human right to appeal if over turned, as you have used that said Country's voting system.
We wish we all could do this when the Elected party you didn't want to be in Goverment and ask for a re vote.

I don't like decision to leave, but the democratic process WAS the referendum.

To be upset now that politicians may have misrepresented the facts (no shit Sherlock!) or that some people didn't realise the consequences of their leave vote, or not realise that it wasn't an antiTory protest vote, where were these people when the Remain campaign needed active support before the referendum.

And even if we could turn back time and rerun it, how the hell can we do that now without looking like spineless morons? Hardly a great position to be trying to argue EU reform or new trade deals from.

Plus, I hated the way the EU made Ireland have another referendum to get the "right" result. Let's not lower ourselves to that.

Sad day for British democracy when the losing side feel they have the right to a 2nd go at it. Maybe the remain side should have not been complacent and got out and fought a more positive campaign. Lost fair and square so suck it up and stop embarrassing yourselves. Oh, and to those of you who didn't know what you were voting for. Ignorance is no defence.

deviant - Member
Nice, not only sore losers but seemingly willing to commit fraud in order to push their agenda....[b]you couldn't make it up.[/b]

Irony alert.

Sad day for British democracy when the losing side feel they have the right to a 2nd go at it. Maybe the remain side should have not been complacent and got out and fought a more positive campaign.

As if there never has been a political U-turns before...

it is pretty stupid to make a mistake and crash on regardless ecause someone might thnk you are a spineless moron...

..in fact anyone that does not admit to being a fool and making a complete pigs ear out of something and does not attempt to fix the situation is probably the biggest coward as well as a true fool.

Yep telling the truth and all that

ah you and Jamby.... bored by facts

There has been a suspiciously uniform number of signatures being added to petition over each minute.

Whilst there was a consensus to leave the EU, there is absolutely no consensus on what next. If we join the EEA, we have technically left, but still have freedom of movement and free trade, but pay more money - how is that possible a good decision for anyone, leave or remain??

There need to be FOUR options
1. Remain
2. Leave - join the EEA (Norway)
3. Leave - set up bilateral agreements (Canada)
4. Leave - just use WTO.

It was never about facts. It was about emotion and freedom from slavery, oppression and being sent to the gulag or something.

And foreigners. Mostly foreigners. And some people seemed to blame Muslim refugees from the Middle East

Intellectuals and experts were, of course,"wrong" -by definition.....

Throughout history angry poor people have tried to get rid of the "guilty" minority and heretics and Intellectuals, aided by dodgy people who offered solutions, but weren't necessarily their friends.

History repeats itself.

What happens if we have a second referendum, and we still have a majority in favour of leaving, however small, wrong or misguided?

Will those of us who want to remain get a third go? Best of 5?

BBC - Second EU referendum petition investigated for fraud. You can't make this stuff up, although some people will go to any lengths it seems! 😯

I don't like decision to leave, but the democratic process WAS the referendum.

Not strictly true. The democratic process now involves the result of this advisory referendum being debated in parliament. Parliament has to act in the best interests of the country. Quite what those are is anyone's guess, but I think it's safe to say that they are not bound to simply ratify a result that over 500 of them disagree with.

Well, even if 3.1 million of the signatories are fraudulent, the petition still has enough to get debated by parliament.
Still lovin' the fact that it was set up by a Leave campaigner. Talk about a potentially sore loser!!!

but I think it's safe to say that they are not bound to simply ratify a result that over 500 of them disagree

See this is where politics has gone wrong for me, they are public servants, a referendum was held, it doesn't matter if they like the result or not, they are duty bound to do as the electorate asks.....basically how it should work is you say "jump" and your MP replies "how high".....things have become twisted in recent years where politicians now think they're something special, they aren't and you don't need any qualifications to be an MP, says it all really.

See this is where politics has gone wrong for me, they are public servants, a referendum was held, it doesn't matter if they like the result or not, they are duty bound to do as the electorate asks.....basically how it should work is you say "jump" and your MP replies "how high".....things have become twisted in recent years where politicians now think they're something special, they aren't and you don't need any qualifications to be an MP, says it all really.

I hope it does get debated in parliament then the children can experience disappointment all over again. It's like training a puppy. It must be embarrassing for the remainers who have accepted the result with dignity.

See this is where politics has gone wrong for me, they are public servants

And they have a job to do, which is to act in the best interests of the country.

We could have a referendum on cutting taxes to 0% while simultaneously handing out free booze on Fridays and it would probably win. Frankly, such a motion wouldn't be much more damaging than the one we've just had, and at least we could all drown our sorrows when it went Pete Tongue.

Anyway, this is sovereign parliamentary democracy in action. I thought that was one of the things Vote Leave were after, no?

Could this bring Anarchy to our streets?

I hope it does get debated in parliament then the children can experience disappointment all over again. It's like training a puppy. It must be embarrassing for the remainers who have accepted the result with dignity

I could take the rather selfish view that I will enjoy watching you all greatly regret this over the next few years while I sit pretty in Oz. I haven't because my friends and family in the UK deserve better than that. But, unless this situation is un****ed very quickly, that will be about the only option I have. Sadly it's not one on offer to most of you when you do eventually come to your senses. As discussed previously, we have rather strict borders over here...

We elect MPs on the basis that they are the ones best placed to decide on issues,

That's a joke, a huge number of MPs have left university and known nothing but how to be a researcher or runner for a particular party, then brown nose a job as an assistant to an existing MP, then get parachuted into a safe seat....that kind of person is not best placed to decide on the country's issues.

Parliament should be full of ex servicemen, ex coppers, small business owners, retired DRs, the odd lawyer, union reps who have moved up from the shop floor, a couple of wealthy entrepreneurs etc etc....basically a mixed bag of people with life experience.

It's a big leap from mass bed-wetting to anarchy on the streets. Mind you that scruffy **** Geldof is good at mobilising people, so maybe.

Parliament should be full of ex servicemen, ex coppers, small business owners, retired DRs, the odd lawyer, union reps who have moved up from the shop floor, a couple of wealthy entrepreneurs etc etc....basically a mixed bag of people with life experience.

[url= https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/26/an-astute-online-comment-has-many-wondering-whether-brexit-may-ever-happen/?tid=sm_tw ]washington post[/url]

So who is "brave" enough to pull the trigger?

So elect them.

Would love to, trouble is the usual candidates from all parties consist of a grey list of late 20s/early 30s nominees whose profiles reads: studied PPE at Ox-Bridge, worked for the last 10 yrs for <insert party>, now standing for election in wherever....great, inspiring stuff.

Remember when everyone was chuffed to bits about Sarah Tether (remember her?!) being elected?....i just remember thinking what the hell has a 29 yr old got to offer parliament or the country!?....her background?....education and then a selection of non jobs as a 'policy advisor' for a number of organisations before contesting elections....absolute nonsense.
It's Hobson's choice these days when voting.

So why are you so keen (assuming that you voted leave) to give the power back to these people at the cost of wrecking the country?

Because I simply don't believe in the EU as a legal entity or a superstate....as a free trade bloc I have no problem, if it had remained simply that then I'd probably have voted to stay....but various individuals and countries have been on a power grab for years and morphed it into a corrupt behemoth they can preside over with lovely salaries, pensions, allowances etc...

But you don't appear to believe in the UK political establishment either? So why wreck everything else to leave one unsatisfactory political entity for another?

ex servicemen, ex coppers, small business owners

grantway - Member
Could this bring Anarchy to our streets?

Well apparently, and wait until the dust has settled for confirmation, leavers are already acting to the stereotype they all claim is nothing to do with them.

Conservative MP for Chelsea and Fulham Greg Hands earlier reported on Twitter that the Polish Social and Cultural Association has been graffitied with "go home".

Also reports of Europeans being abused in the street.

#NotAVictoryForRacists

[quote=deviant ]That's a joke, a huge number of MPs have left university and known nothing but how to be a researcher or runner for a particular party, then brown nose a job as an assistant to an existing MP, then get parachuted into a safe seat....that kind of person is not best placed to decide on the country's issues.

I'm no big fan of the career politician, and like you would rather see people with more experience of life...

But, how do you think they are at taking decisions compared to (from a selection of people I've seen interviewed who I suspect are representative of much larger numbers)
- the person who voted Leave because they didn't think their vote mattered and are disappointed that Leave won
- the chap who was just voting for change because "it can't get any worse"
- the girl who thought it meant England wouldn't be in the football Euros

who are the people who've actually taken this decision for us.

[quote=igm ]Also reports of Europeans being abused in the street.

See this is where politics has gone wrong for me, they are public servants, a referendum was held, it doesn't matter if they like the result or not, they are duty bound to do as the electorate asks.....basically how it should work is you say "jump" and your MP replies "how high".....things have become twisted in recent years where politicians now think they're something special, they aren't and you don't need any qualifications to be an MP, says it all really.

For the hard of understanding here is a summary of the will of th people
37% Leave
36% Remain
28% No Vote
On that basis if 37% of the politicians would like to take a leave vote, 36 a remain and 28 decide on the day we can have the vote.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incidents-feared-to-be-linked-to-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales