Seems like a interesting move from Volvo. No issue from me. In no way would it stop me buying a Volvo if I wanted one.
I’ve got some quick cars and the only place I’ve driven significantly over our UK national speed limit (more than a few indicated mph on the Speedo) is on the autobahn or on the track. A quick blast on the destructed autobahn and you see how pointless (+100mph) high speeds are and how dangerous they are.
Its inappropriate speed for the prevailing conditions which catches people out
Whilst I don't disagree, the problem here is that people either aren't trained or just generally can't be trusted to judge "appropriate speed for the conditions." If they could, we wouldn't need speed limits. As it is, we have fairly arbitrary numbers on poles so everyone can be "safe" without requiring any thought.
Just read your post bikebouy. My brother was killed by someone who was ‘driving to the conditions’ or ignoring speed limits as it’s actually called.
I think you're just making that up. Not the bit about your brother (and I'm honestly sorry for your loss) but the nonsense about driving to conditions being about ignoring speed limits. That's just bollocks. And you know fine well that isn't what anyone means when they use that phrase.
Whilst I don’t disagree, the problem here is that people either aren’t trained or just generally can’t be trusted to judge “appropriate speed for the conditions.” If they could, we wouldn’t need speed limits. As it is, we have fairly arbitrary numbers on poles so everyone can be “safe” without requiring any thought.
Exactly.
Cougar - it's exactly the people that think appropriate speed is anywhere up to and including the limit that are constantly getting craned out of the various ditches and shorelines around here. Then moan that it's the road that is dangerous
Appropriate speed is appropriate for the conditions. If you can't judge the conditions, slow down until you can.
I'm sure it's also the ones who do not, or think they can see around corners, or the ones who are late but more important.
Inappropriate speed contributes to around 11% of all injury collisions reported to the police, 15% of crashes
resulting in a serious injury and 24% of collisions that result in a death1
. This includes both ‘excessive speed’,
when the speed limit is exceeded but also driving or riding within the speed limit when this is too fast for the
conditions at the time (for example, in poor weather, poor visibility or high pedestrian activity).
In 2015, 217 people were killed in crashes involving someone exceeding the speed limit and a further 132
people died when someone was travelling too fast for the conditions 1
.
From ROSPA 2015 - nearly 2:1 on driving over the limit vs within but not the conditions for fatal accidents
Worth a read
If an individual drives more than 10 - 15% above the average speed of the traffic around them, they are much
more likely to be involved in an accident.
Drivers who speed are more likely to be involved in collisions. They are also more likely to commit other
driving violations, such as red-light running and driving too close.
I'd say it's unlikely many of the drivers I refer to were speeding. No doubt some do but the road doesn't really allow for it.
But my point still stands regardless, unless you want to dispute that rather than pick holes in things I didn't say?
If an individual drives more than 10 – 15% above the average speed of the traffic around them, they are much more likely to be involved in an accident.
This is interesting, because it's not talking about speed limits, it's talking about traffic flow. If you're driving much faster (or slower) than most other traffic around you then you're obviously a liability simply because of speed differentials. If everyone drove at the same speed on a given stretch of road, be that 20mph or 90mph, there would surely be fewer accidents.
Drivers who speed are more likely to be involved in collisions. They are also more likely to commit other driving violations, such as red-light running and driving too close.
I've no idea whether this is true or not (and I'm sceptical), but it's a non sequitur from the first statement.
But my point still stands regardless, unless you want to dispute that rather than pick holes in things I didn’t say?
It's one of the things that made me head over to look for speeding accident stats, interesting to see where they are, obviously the ROSPA ones are about fatalities as they will get more investigation.
I can’t believe there has been 5 pages of arguing about this.
You must be new here!
Totally pointless exercise from Volvo, its the thing holding the steering wheel and pressing the pedals that needs addressing not the top speed, acceleration, or whatever about the car.
the nonsense about driving to conditions being about ignoring speed limits. That’s just bollocks. And you know fine well that isn’t what anyone means when they use that phrase
I think it’s true. If not there wouldn’t be any need for limits as everyone would be able to judge for themselves. Not everyone, but there’s definitely some who think they can blatantly ignore limits because they think they know better and the conditions allow for it.
This is interesting, because it’s not talking about speed limits, it’s talking about traffic flow
@cougar did you go and read the rest of the document? They do talk about limits and impacts.
Yeah there are the mob who think an IAM certificate gives them a driving god licence but that's not what anyone was talking about. Just as "making progress" is something you do every day (it's the whole purpose of overtaking slower vehicles) as opposed to a euphemism for speeding as some seem to believe.
I will admit that, yes, on rare occasions those road conditions may allow a faster than normal speed but that is the exception, not the rule and in any case illegal. And as pointed out we cannot trust people to judge those rare occasions appropriately so we apply blanket limits.
It’s to do with the new ev vehicles that volvo are planning to build. All volvos will do 112mph ev or dino juice. It allso means cost saving as the ev only need one gearbox and not the two they currently need to achieve the higher speeds.
It’s got very little to do with safety its just spun that way.
It’s probably marketing. What difference would it make if you crash into a wall at 90mph or 112mph? Maybe a little bit not much.
As for 112mph, we have two Volvos - one probably can’t even go 112mph and the other will not be going anywhere near that speed with me behind the wheel. 70mph feels fast these days, especially going past schools (joke). 112mph makes no difference whatsoever to real world driving safely.
Whenever I see a van that says “limited to 70mph” I always want to write in the dirt after it “in urban areas”.
Don’t dismiss IAM training or things like that. Many use it as an excuse but most use it to drive more safely and raise awareness. It’s like advanced cycle training - you can see the roadies that have been on the course, riding very assertively, even when it is down-right dangerous. It takes judgement and that is the hard part, being human and all.
It also means cost saving as the ev only need one gearbox and not the two they currently need to achieve the higher speeds.
EVs don't need a gearbox. They have a reduction gear and that's it. Teslas have just one gear and they're plenty quick. My Zoé will just about get to the 130kmh limit but there's not much point on a long journey as time spent charging eliminates gains made going faster. Just go with the flow.
Ok, what about limiting the speed of cycles to 15mph? automatically applying the brakes so you couldnt go faster?
thats the same isnt it?
Electric bikes are limited to 25kmh, Andy. Even with limiter set my car doesn't automatically apply the brakes so I'd expect the Volvo to do more than 112mph if you can find a hill steep enough (plenty around here). If they fit just pedals to a Volvo I'd be happy for drivers to travel at any speed they can pedal up to.
So yes it's the same. It would be nice if both cars and cycles were limited to the same speed for the same power source..
Ok, what about limiting the speed of cycles to 15mph? automatically applying the brakes so you couldnt go faster?
thats the same isnt it?
How’s it the same? Genuinely curious here? Do you apply the same random 15mph limit to motorbikes or can they obey speed limits?
@cougar did you go and read the rest of the document?
I didn't, I was just replying to the comments posted here.
Sorry meant to say hybrid instead of full ev.
Ok, what about limiting the speed of cycles to 15mph? automatically applying the brakes so you couldnt go faster?
thats the same isnt it?
Not really... not least because there is no upper speed limit for bicycles on British roads.
Flamin' Nora, aren't people strange, I think I'd need to ingest a shed load of hallucinogenics to arrive at some of these opinion comments.
Good move by Volvo, including with regards to their marketing and brand image. And I type that as someone who has a Volvo that can exceed 112mph.
So you crashed into some poor woman and then blamed her you ****.
That post is wrong on so many levels, CountZero. Sexist, misogynist and victim blaming. I've supsected you are an arrogant aggressive driver for years, here is absolute confirmation. And in case you try a stealth edit:
All the bloody time. One I followed for four or five miles at roughly 25mph (indicated). No opportunity to overtake, I had to stick behind her doing even less when we got into the 30mph roads. When she got to a roundabout and indicated right, I gave a little ‘hallelujah’ and carried straight on, only to have the dozy bint swerve across and force herself past me on the exit, smashing my offside wing in. When asked what she was doing, she said I was driving too close, (I was about a car length behind at 15mph), and when I pointed out she’d indicated and turned righ, she said “well, I changed my mind”
Honestly people can be bloody dangerous at little more than walking pace, and I’m sure I read somewhere that the majority of fatal accidents take place within national speed limits; if that woman’s driving is an example it’s not surprising.
Edukator ..not for the first time have I thought you a pompous idiot
Well in tha absence of web cam footage we only have one version and after yreas of posting making progress type replies on motoring threads superstar car delivery man countzero reaches peak intolerance.
CountZero clearly made a stupid overtake and crashed into someone, how else would it be a "wing"?
The problem when you spend years railing about women drivers, slow driver and bragging about racing around the country delivering other peoples intersting cars is that you build a profile that says that CountZero and those like him are the problem rather than the people they slag off. Or it's all pure fiction, I could just be the last honest person on the Internet.
For everybody who thinks it’s a good move by Volvo, I wonder what their opinion is of their hybrid T8 engines which produce about 400bhp.
I can’t see how the two sit together? You don’t need to be able to do more than 100mph, as long as you can get there in about 10 seconds? Am I missing something?
hybrid T8 engines which produce about 400bhp.
Are they fitted in their 40t trucks? If so it seems reasonable, if not then in answer to your questions
They don't
That would appear to be the policy
No.
So, they’re hypocrites then? The more I’ve thought about this, the more pointless a message it seems given the above.
Not necessarily. I suspect this is more to do with the German market that the UK. In Germany limiting vehicles to 112 means something. As other Autobahn users have noted the current German laws are barmy and Volvo is making a big statement.
I know Edukator that you are in France and this might have made you mis interpret Count Zero’s message. Going straight on a UK roundabout whilst someone is using the inside of the roundabout to turn an indicated right exit is not an overtake, nor against the Highway Code. Changing your mind mid roundabout and exiting without indicating and hence hitting a driver side wing shows the other driver at fault. I think you owe Count Zero an apology.
If someone is driving as badly as CountZero claims and you've followed them for as long as he claims you'd give them a realy wide birth wouldn't you. If there really was an accident I suggest he rammed the woman in road rage because if he gets half as het up on the road as he does on this forum and hates slow/women drivers as much as he has demostrated on this forum that is far more likely than what he claims.
He been provocative on driving threads for years. The language he uses, "dozy bint" suggests he's seeking a reaction here and I'm giving it to him.
Reckon Volvo sales might dip here in the Vaterland.
Lots of people simply take their new cars along to the garage and have them derestricted. After all, 155mph is just cruising speed for some.
Anyhow I've reported CountZero's post, first report in a hell of long time.
@edukator wow! You have just made it worse by suggesting he rammed her. Honest you are unbelievable troll
You need to read through CountZero's posting history, Tony. Were you a witness Tony?
When she got to a roundabout and indicated right, I gave a little ‘hallelujah’ and carried straight on, only to have the dozy bint swerve across and force herself past me on the exit, smashing my offside wing in.
Top tip for avoiding accidents - never get alongside anyone at a roundabout, unless you can't avoid it, because of exactly this kind of situation. Also people straight-lining whilst going straight on and cutting up right-turners on the inside. Happens all the time.
This is critical. At 15mph a cars length is nowhere near enough.
Reaction time is:
15 mph = 22 ft. per second
Then you have to brake.
CountZero was by his own admission driving too close and is clearly of the impression it's OK.
Or it's all just fiction
@edukator of course I wasn’t there. Neither were you. Hence I don’t comment on these sorts of posts. I certainly don’t claim things like another poster deliberately rammed someone even if I don’t like them.
Molgrips post is a good example of a good reply. Even considered and appropriate.
And what do you think of "dozy bint", Tony? You Haven't commented on the misogynist/sexist nature of CountZero's initial post, was that "considered and appropriate" in your view?
My response was considered that I can assure you. It's up to the mods to decide if it's appropriate on the page - they have the power to remove both my posts and me. I've reported the post and one of them will pick up on this. I really don't want to be on a forum where posts such as CountZeros can be posted without a strong reaction from other users being acceptable or the mods themselves acting.
Good night.
Can we get Eds old tag back please, people might just stop feeding him.
Ok final comment from me. Count Zero’s use of “dozy bint” wasn’t appropriate or respectful. However your tesponse was totally out of proportion, personal and vitriolic.
One for the petrolheads
Bugatti release most expensive sports car ever
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/bugatti-la-voiture-noire
Sent via @updayUK
Wonder how much this would be worth with a top speed of 112mph ...😁
I think a car length at 15mph is much too close though. Reminds me of the conversation I had with a work colleague describing the accident he had been in. He said that a car had crashed in front of him and he'd been unable to avoid it. 'I wasn't going to fast though, only 85'.
I told him that 'too fast' and 'too close' are defined as being unable to avoid stuff happening in front of you, and he seemed surprised and confused by this.
Read the thread from the start, Tony, paying particular attention to Squirrelking's posts. Should I add you to *******, **, *****, **, *,******* and the other petrolhead, driving-god fantasists (and their apologists )on this forum.
They are nervous drivers, drivers who can’t see properly and shit themselves every time they see something oncoming, drivers who – for reasons best known to themselves – drive at an arbitrary amount below the limit so they can sanctimoniously post on internet forums about how safe a driver they are and just people who actually don’t know what the limit is.
Pure invention and provocation from Squirelking, I ignored it. I ignored this from him too:
You honestly talk the biggest pile of horse crap.
Sharkbait got pretty personal too, I ignored that too. You, Tony, are developing a fixation.
There are no tags anymore, Squirelking, not even for the mods.
This MTB forum has a small number of very vocal, insulting, speed-worshiping petrol heads who pop up on any speed related car thread and start complaining about people going about there buisness perfectly safely but at less than the maximum allowed speed.
