[Closed] Show me ya Cannondale prophets and...

Why dont you start the ball rolling with the spec of yours?

ok seeing as you ask so nicely 🙂

Large frame with rp23 shock
Air 454 pikes
pro2s/819 rims with xt cassette and bonty acx TR tyres
Syncros bulk bar and 70mm AM stem
Gravity dropper (with remote) and Fizik gobi saddle
Lizard skins moab grips
X9 rear mech and shifters with matchmakers and juicy 5s
Xt front mech
Time atac freeride pedals
Race face evolve xc x type chainset and XT bb
(think thats it)

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Coil shock replaced again with an rp23

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'07 i thunk, fairly standard at the mo, XT/LX Lefty Max

Mono M4's should land any day now, Spesh BG saddle arrived today

size and weight? /\

Bathroom scale weight is 32lbs
Medium frame MX2 with rp23 shock
1.5 steerer Solo air lyriks
Formula Hubs/819 rims & XT cassette (bolt thru rear)
2.35 LUST tyres - Ignitor rear & High Roller front
Race face Diabolus stem & Easton AM low rise bars, lock-ons
Juicy 7 brakes - 203 & 180mm
Xt front mech, X9 rear mech and X9/X.0 shifters
SDG I beam post & Bel air saddle
Wellgo B47pedals
XT chainset - two rings & bash

Old picture when it was pretty much standard spec.
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my 31lb is about right then 🙂

I reckon. Would b e nice to get it lighter but not sure I can be arsed - would need to rebuld wheels with lighter hubs etc.

How did you get on with the DHX on it? Might get a coil for trips abroad etc.

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racing_ralph - Member
size and weight? /\

medium, me holding bike on scales = 92kg, me minus bike = 80 kgs. therefore approx 26.5lbs ? not really scientific measurement i know. It has no brakes on it the mo tho, and the heavy old spds will be replaced with my new eggbeater c's

Mmmm Prophets:
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Hi Rob,

Here's mine don't know how much it weighs though i do keep an eye on weight, but you can feel for yourself on saturday if you like! It's a bit lighter than the pic as it's got Crossmax XL's on it.

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I'm liking yours on white though.

goog see the dhx up there same way up :pwned:

Please don't talk about unsprung mass - it is the only way it'll fit 😉

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swisstony...what headset are you using and do the fork adjusters hit the frame if the bars were to spin around? Cheers.

Raw polished? Thats what my MX is

its lovely! I may send mine to argos to work their magic

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No longer own it, but it was a cracking ride.

whats the difference between a normal and an mx?

Medium black Prophet, Hope pro II /DT tubeless rims (waiting to unpgrade my Maxxi HR + Advantage combo to Conti Rubber queens) Sram 9/XO drivetrain, Louise FR stoppers + pink Wotans up from. Can get it down to 32lbs ish which is fine as its a sh!t load of fun.

The MX has a 12mm bolt through rear axle.

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Prophet MX1 frame (medium)
DHX5.0 Air
Fox Float 36RC2s
Hope Bulbs on XM819 rims
Maxxis Ignitor 2.35 LUSTs
M970 XTR mechs, shifters, chainset
Avid Juicy 7s with 203mm rotors
Thompson seatpost (410mm Layback)
Flite saddle
RF Atlas Bars and Thompson X4 stem
Ergon Grips
Time Xen Carbon pedals

Never weighed it, but if more than 30lb it's not much more.

As mentioned above the MX has a 12mm bolt thru rear axle and also a gussetted headtube so its warrantied for forks up to 160mm

are prophets suitable for ton size blokes??

There is no difference in the head tube. See the picture above.

My brother's 2008 Prophet X has a gussetted headtube but a normal QR back end. If i'm not mistaken the gussett in the photo above starts at head tube and runs under the down tube to finish just to the left of the cable guides. Cannondale weld finish just means it doesn't stand out.

There is a gusset under the downtube, linking to the headtube, on mine - you just can't see it from that angle with that dodgy exposure. It always felt underforked with Pikes, reckon it will be well sweet with the 36s.

You can see the gusset on bristolsurfer's pic - runs from headtube to cable guide. It's not massively obvious but it is there.

could i get a new rear end?

Despite riding a foes fxr 2.1 why do i still want a prophet? i've never even ridden one!

Here's mine:

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standard except for dx pedals, new fsa black seatpost, replaced as the white one flaked and a thomson stem.

Weight? not a clue as I haven't done the bathroom scales test yet.

Can't be arsed to type out the spec but here's mine, or at least mine when I finish building it and pay for it....Gotta take off that gay chainstay protector for a start.

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It waaaaays 35lb according to the scales at work.

Heres mine, now with thompson layback post and Pro2 wheels, not sure of weight but very similar to, if not the same as my previous Jekyll which was 28lb.

Pace RC41 Fighters
Thompson post
XTR shifters
XTR rear mech
XT Front mech
XT Brakes
Mavic 819 rims
Hope pro2 hubs
FSA DH carbon bars
Now Bonty Mud X tyres

here it is... hopefully

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MattF, it's a Hope reducer headset which i chose as it has a taller lower race to stop the dials fouling the downtube, I'm forever crossing up on massive hip jumps!

As for the gusset on the MX's, newer models have an external one, older ones internal.

Walleater - ooh same as mine!

I'd recommend getting that shock changed if you can - PUSHed RP23 was a major improvement.

Ace thread.

Prophets rock, and while they aren't pretty bikes they look so purposeful and ready to go.

I'm considering a prophet for the bike to work scheme in the office. How do the cheaper 2009 ones stack up? Am I correct in assuming that, because they all have a pike up front, that the biggest difference between the 1, 2 and 3 is weight rather than out right performance?

if you can get a prophet 2 (2008) then you will not be disappointed

Unfortunately I can't find any of those left. So it's either the 2009 2 or 3, or I top up to get the new 1.

get the 2 and upgrade

what size do you need - small or medium at a guess?

From the last time I swung a leg over one, a medium would probably be best, but I'd have to check.

a medium was a tiny bit too small at 6ft 1 - you are a lot smaller than me

As I say, I'd have to check. The small has no more stand over than the medium, it is a just an inch shorter in the top tube

Bristolsurfer, aye the shock does feel pretty stiff even with the floodgate totally backed off, but I want the bike to ride more like a hardtail that will take big hits so I think I'll give it a go. I also want to keep the head angle as slack as possible and I'm not sure what after market shocks are the same length (possibly loads but I've not looked. I'd read somewhere that many coil shocks are slightly longer so you run the bike in the 65.5 setting to match the original 67.5 setting, but I don't want to do that. If that makes any sense at all....).

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My Old Prophet, large, 2006 dual air pikes and around the 27lb area.

pretty light for what it was.

waaleater - any fox shock will be ok - need a 200 i2i and a 50mm stroke. Got a fox DHX coil here with a ti spring (suitable for a 11.5stone rider) £180 posted if ya want - great shock to be honest. Its on mine in post 1

lovewookie - htf is that 27lb when mine is 4lbs heavier with a similar spec (minus the seatpost?) - is yours filled with helium??

Bristolsurfer, aye the shock does feel pretty stiff even with the floodgate totally backed off, but I want the bike to ride more like a hardtail that will take big hits so I think I'll give it a go.

Let me know if you want another for backup - got one sitting on the shelf! Tim Flooks was cursing them as they are not serviceable beyond a standard air can lube 🙁

Thanks guys. I'll give the bike a good thrashing and see whether I like the shock or not.

just about finished, need a longer stem now tho 😐

medium frame
lefty max
Xt rapid rise rear mech
LX e-fit front mech
deore shifting
Truvativ crank set
truvativ giga BB
eggbeater c's
Hope Mono M4 brakes, 180/160 fr/rr with dangerboy levers
Hope rear skewer and seat clamp
FSA finishing
Spesh bodygeometry seat
bell 😀
and some mud 😉
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Not got a pic off mine but it's a small 08 MX with the pearl shock which isn't brilliant but still going strong
Mazzochi ATA2 55's
Diablous crank with E13 bash gaurd blackspire chainrings
XT brakes
X7 rear mech X9 shifters
SDG I beam post and saddle
Hope hoops for XC rims or the original wheels and maxxis tyres when messing about dh'ing
Thompson stem and Easton EA70 Monkey bar.

Not exactly light weight but not heavy either. I use it for all day riding to messing about down-hilling. I keep looking at new bikes but keep looking at the prophet and it does what I want and can't see the point of changing it.

Here is my updated prophet - lost the white stem and swapped for black. And the crowning glory (imo) the white Pikes 🙂

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Just a quick query - anyone with an RP23 on there prophet - what volume is the air can?

RR, ,mine had a smattering of Ti bolts, monkeylites, AmClassic/rev's/717's wheels, it all adds up.

as far as I remember, it was just over 27lb on my ebaytastic fish scales.

I added a lefty max to it, which increased the weight a bit...

and made it ride badly.

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Those same fish scales suggested that a similar setup on my Rush, was just shy of 26lb.

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No titanium bolts, no carbon bars, no carbon seatpost.....sub 27lb on both sets of scales, scales measure a cast 20lb weight with a 1% accuracy so I'm fairly confident the weight is kosher.

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Probably not sub 27lb..

Put together a couple of weeks ago, running a 190mm i2i Swinger 4-Way modified to 44mm stroke giving 120mm rear travel. 36 Floats spaced down to 130mm and a mix of LX, Hone and SLX. Geometry in the XC shock position pretty similar to a standard setup on Pikes in the FR position, bottom bracket at just over 13". It is a little ripper - love it! Must cut those hoses down.

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Not what you'd call a good looking bike are they? 😐

everyone knows ugly birds ride better tho

Dusty lilac - fair play it looks good but why have you shortened travel? What effect has it on angles and bb height?

Anyone got a genuine frame weight for one of these?

Racing Ralph - I've gone for shorter travel for a snappier, more responsive ride. I'd fancied the idea of a 4x type of bike for all round mucking about and trail centres, but at 6'2" they are too cramped for all day use and most don't give the option of a front mech for winding up fireroads.

Running the shorter shock in the XC position gives me a theoretical head angle of 68 degrees, seat tube angle at 74 degrees and the bb height measures up at just under 13.5". The 130mm 36s have an almost identical a2c height as a set of Pikes. I measured the head angle at somewhere between 66 and 67 degrees though? The FR setting makes the bb far too low. It took a bit of juggling of shock air pressures to get the right balance of bottom-out resistance vs. compliance, but it still feels pretty supple.

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My old one - a medium MX2 from 2006, now replaced with a Hemlock.

I reckon 30 pounds or so with XT cranks, Hope hubs on DT4.2 rims, Easton Havoc stem, Race Face DH bars, FSA seatpost, SDG Bel Air, Magura Louise FR brakes, Pana Rampage tyres, X& geary stuff.

Ummm....what's the going rate for a brand new Prophet MX frame / shock / front mech in the UK??

I finally got chance to ride my new bike and it...well....cracked....and failed.....about 10 minutes into a ride along a slight uphill gravel trail.

So to cut a long story short despite getting a new front triangle, I am going to sell the replacement frame and go back to riding my trusty hardtail, so will be bringing the frame over to the UK at the end of March when I'm back for two weeks.

not a bloody lot apparently, considering a the last full mx went on fleabay for just over £600.. I couldn't believe it...
IA has been trying to flog a std prophet frame on here and ebay for 275-350 without huge amounts of luck...
BTW I want an mx (or STD) but probably won't have any cash till the end of March..... 😆

Dusty Lyric - how do the prophet/gemini compare, I have a gemini but really fancy a prophet.

coogan - beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think they look ace, and the thread the other day about "great looking bikes" should be have there fancy hardtails with oh so lovely welding stuffed up their owners a**es.

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Here's my 2005 Prophet. Made a few changes recently, mostly with parts off here. Much better now. I may even stop riding my hardtail.

Zippy - email me when you're buying, I might not have sold by then.

I've had a few offers for less than what I'm asking, but I'm in no rush to sell, and as the price increases filter through and new kit is more expensive/less deals on older (new) kit, then s/h kit prices will go up. So it's not like my frame's going to depreciate sat in a box, so I'm aswell to hold out for what I'm after. So if anyone on this thread is after a prophet frame, get in touch...

Anyone got a genuine frame weight for one of these

2940g including RP23 and all bushings and bolts, QR clamp and headset bearing inserts (not the lefty ones). That's for a medium frame.

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Z1ppy, the Prophet is like a mini Gemini really. My Prophet has 2" less travel all round than the Gemini and the BB is much lower. So it feels livelier, corners like a demon and pedals soooo much better. BUT it is much flexier at the back, not necessarily a bad thing, and I can't just hurl it at stuff and expect to get away with it like I can with the Gem. The Prophet jumps really nicely, but again it needs to be landed with some finesse. I'd take the Gemini to the Alps, but the Prophet to Afan.

A bolt-thru swingarm Prophet MX is a brilliant bike (I have one) 🙂

And I've just about to put a shorter eye-to-eye and shorter stroke shock on it (like a "lowering kit").

A full report of my Prophet tweaks will be in a future issue of Singletrack BTW.