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26" I reckon. Next big thing!
Na, it's a 28.2 aero full susser with social media controlled electric motor BOOST function...
Garmin should do a Strava and social media integrated GPS. With voice recognition. So you can tweet about your ride as you ride, with links to your segment time!
It could detect if you've crashed, and ask you if you want to tweet something. Or if you land a particularly big jump and don't crash, it could also ask you.
The front end on the new Madone looks really really clean - no exposed cables at all. Like the Speed Concept.
[quote=thisisnotaspoon ]I remember seeing a special edition Madone after Lance won yet another tour, and they were offering it in 2 versions, a climbing version and an aero version with a teardrop seatube. The aero one wasn't on the limit despite being something silly like £8k.
A mainstream bike, with mainstream parts. I built up my road bike in 2008 for ~£2k. It is under the UCI weight limit.
Interesting that they've given up on the under BB brake positioning on the 'Madone'
Interesting that they've given up on the under BB brake positioning on the 'Madone'
Not sure if related, but Cervelo have done a lot of work on airflow around brakes in a "normal" position as mechanics hate working on "hidden" brakes!
Whilst it looked awesome, it also meant the brakes felt shit too - they just got all the spray, so people spent loads on a bike that felt a bit poo!
Think I'd still rather have an Emonda, even though the Madone may make more sense. Could be really interesting if they make it more comfy than the usual aero frames with the IsoSpeed whatnot.
Wasn't it Simon Smart who also did a lot of work on the aero benefits of a hidden front brake and found there wasn't any, hence why the Scott Plasma and Giant Trinity didn't have them.
At the risk of taking it back towards XC ( 😉 ) isn't that the whole idea of the decoupler? It's not suspension, as such, more about reducing rider fatigue.
IIRC that was the aim of things like the Scott Endorphin back in the day.
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Yes, as TINAS observed the movement is in the seat tube. Certainly be interested to ride one, but I don't find my Superfly fatiguing over XC race distance, surprised it's an issue.
The front end on the new Madone looks really really clean
True, but fugly headtube shape. Lots of aspects look fugly to me actually. Rear brake also looks a quarter hidden which is interesting. Scott should have a new Foil at Le Tour apparently too- should be interesting to see what happens there.
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I like the look of the BMC MTB frames in terms of function but the paint jobs on the Trek Factory bikes are gorgeous! Don't Scott already claim something like 10mm compliance in SDS stays on the Scale?
Edit: Scale apparently has 5mm vertical compliance in the rear end
Closer inspection of the seat/Top tube join looks like a decoupler... But for the size of the seat tube?
What brakes are they, I can't see any cables on the back either? Possibly hydraulic?
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Since we are discussing the Madone a little....
Maguras?
It might be* very functional, but that Madone isn't pretty!
This on the other hand is off-the-chart cool!
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*it had better be with looks like that
You can see the cable on that brake on the Madone, so not hydraulic. My guess would be Trek's own.
yer they are Bonty brakes
http://www.matosvelo.fr/index.php?post/1521/trek-madone-9-2016-sous-toutes-les-coutures
such a clean bar area
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Back on Pro XC tweaks... I hadn't realised until now that the U23 WC XCO at Nove Mesto was won on the latest Chinese 29er frame. All these fancy frames and the Chinese stuff can still get results with the right legs 😀
Mechanics don't like working on hidden brakes so we'll expose the brakes a bit then we'll shove all the cables through the bar, stem and headtube?
I don't like their thinking.
mrblobby - MemberThere's innovation, and then there are products that disrupt the course of an entire industry.
EPO?
It all about the legs, the bike is just a tool!
Going OT (again...), think we passed you on Saturday Mashie - were you coming down the Tarmac road through Denbies about midday? Someone on an Open hard tail came down!
[quote=DanW ]Back on Pro XC tweaks... I hadn't realised until now that the U23 WC XCO at Nove Mesto was won on the latest Chinese 29er frame. All these fancy frames and the Chinese stuff can still get results with the right legs
The marketing and branding doesn't make it any faster.
The marketing and branding doesn't make it any faster.
It's bloody ugly too and most importantly, it isn't red, so I just can't understand how it could have been a winning bike!
Going OT (again...), think we passed you on Saturday Mashie - were you coming down the Tarmac road through Denbies about midday? Someone on an Open hard tail came down!
Yep, that was me - in a mad rush to get back to an angry wife. Very late home as I extended the ride!
Rider Perspective on HT v FS Choice
Oh dear, just been handed an Open MTB frame in the LBS, I wasn't impressed when he grabbed it out of the box as I walked in!!! I really really didn't want to see that! I couldn't believe how light it was, lovely finish on it.
But 72degree head angle 😯
My Salsa is 71. It's fantastic.
My stumpy is 71, not sure if the geo sheets show it with 100mm though, it's running a 90mm fork so probably closer to 72 anyway.
Seem to remember it was fairly reasonable in the old days.
29ers need a steeper head angle for the equivalent handling to 26ers.
69.6 on a Trek Superfly...
29ers need a steeper head angle for the equivalent handling to 26ers.
Hmm. The first ones did, but not any more, particularly with greater offset forks.
But 72degree head angle
The quote Shania Twain, "that don't impress me much" 😆
29ers need a steeper head angle for the equivalent handling to 26ers.
Yes, maybe... but when I switched to a 29er I made a conscious decision that I didn't want something that handled like a 26er, I wanted something *better*. 69.5 degree HTA on my 256-sl and wouldn't go back. Trek Superfly, Scott Scale, Cannondale F-Si and Pivot Les all take a similar approach to XC geometry (certainly wrt HTA) and I don't think anyone would call those bikes slouches 🙂
Since the thread started with "softtails"...
Not Pro-XC, but it looks like the far East companies are already jumping on similar ideas
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Looks like a Specialized Zertz insert to me. Can't see it doing a lot but interesting how quickly these "manufacturers" are trying to keep up with the latest and greatest
Does that frame come with complementary guide dog and white stick?
You should see the other new XC frame they have with a ginormous seattube brace 😉
Shall stick with my 256 thank you very much 😆
Well [url= http://www.trekbikes.com/uk/en/events/bear_witness/ ]this[/url] is exciting stuff.
tomhoward - Member
Closer inspection of the seat/Top tube join looks like a decoupler... But for the size of the seat tube?
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I'm claiming that!
I want to try and like the Procaliber, but it's just not doing it for me.
I can't see soft-tails without thinking "awful old KHS"
Plus the 9.9SL definitely has a face for radio!
Plus the 9.9SL definitely has a face for radio!
Stick an RS-1 on any bike and that mostly holds true.
And 4 grand for the new Madone 9 frameset... I'll take two 🙂
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I'm not crazy about having a moving part, bolt and pivot on a "hardtail". The BMC is much cleaner in this respect. Allowing the seattube to move around rather than say the seatstays also doesn't seem like the best solution. You may as well get a super compliant seatpost. I do love the red, but I guess that will cost extra and be Project One only
Yeah,
Why no red one?
Everyone knows there faster!