[Closed] No helmet?

agreed, hence apology

You know, the more people come on here complaining others aren't wearing helmets and calling them dumb/stupid etc, the more I side with TJ, and the less I wear mine.

[i]In 20 years of MTBing, I've not once damaged my head or my helmet.

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Uh-oh, you've done it now...

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I find not thinking for yourself and making your own choice just as dumb/stupid.

I am thinking for myself. I'm thinking some halfwit who has a blinkered viewpoint is blathering on and on and on and he has no idea at all. If I don't want to wear a lid, I won't. And it's not anybody else's flipping business!

I'm not going to reply, Oh! I just did Damn! Who am I talking to? OOOooooh, that's an interesting question...now where is the off switch [ ]

I get sick and tired of the same old "you must wear a helmet" bullshit.

What about gloves? Why does nobody mention GLOVES?
Why?
Well, becasue what's the first thing you do when you crash?
You put your bloody hand out!

And what about eye protection? Why does nobody go on about GLASSES?
Why?
Because if something gets in your eye and you're blinking trying to get rid of it or you can't see where you're going, you're more likely to crash in the first place!

But nobody EVER complains about that do they? No. It's HELMET drone HELMET jabber HELMET waffle HELMET preach HELMET bullshit HELMET I'm better than you HELMETHELMETHELMETHELMETHELMET and it's old and, binkered, and uninformed and boring.

What about gloves? Why does nobody mention GLOVES?
Why?
Well, becasue what's the first thing you do when you crash?
You put your bloody hand out!

And what about eye protection? Why does nobody go on about GLASSES?
Why?
Because if something gets in your eye and you're blinking trying to get rid of it or you can't see where you're going, you're more likely to crash in the first place!

not doing too well at the "thinking for yourself" are you?

does that feel better?

If it matters, which it doesn't, maybe this lengthy debate is all because we care?

Surely this is a simple outlet for the general consensus of opinion, and the natural instinct to preserve some sense of protection from the unforeseen imbalance or momentary misjudgment.

Its the same on a motorbike, surely. I always become concerned and annoyed when I see someone riding a 1000cc sports bike in flipflops!

I know they have the right to make that choice, and they may never fall off, and I hope they don't. But the more that do, will eventually have a cumulative effect upon the rest of us.

It's already happening. How many new trail sites are disappearing due to liabilities becoming prime cause to refuse entry to private land. With the potential for vast areas of forests becoming privately owned, this should occupy our thoughts more often. When has a single action not been a trigger for a further event? Everything is interconnected.

If you ride in protective clothing in the inherently random environment we all seemingly enjoy, sending out (apparently unsubstantiated) safety concious visual messages tells all the other users of the land that you take your own, and potentially their safety seriously.

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What?

Is it time to act out the 'to helmet or not to helmet' fight yet again already?

not doing too well at the "thinking for yourself" are you

A lot better than you are, sunshine. It's called a different point of view, and it's obvioulsy working because you disagree with it. NOT thinking for myself would be agreeing with your incorrect viewpoint..!
Eh?

No it isn't.
I don't wear gloves and crash way more than most.

most people have 2 eyes, blinking allows you to see just fine with the other.

You're arging the toss for the sake of it and trying to sound clever and it's not working. My wife won't wear glasses and I've had to stop and dig her eye out more than once. You know what I mean.

I've had to stop and dig her eye out more than once.

What the?

If it matters, which it doesn't, maybe this lengthy debate is all because we care?

Its the same on a motorbike

It's already happening. How many new trail sites are disappearing due to liabilities becoming prime cause to refuse entry to private land.

When has a single action not been a trigger for a further event? Everything is interconnected.

If you ride in protective clothing in the inherently random environment we all seemingly enjoy, sending out (apparently unsubstantiated) safety concious visual messages tells all the other users of the land that you take your own, and potentially their safety seriously.

GW, [url= http://www.home-herb-garden.com/anger.html ]Chill out[/url]

A lot better than you are, sunshine.

It's called a different point of view, and it's obvioulsy working because you disagree with it.
Eh?

NOT thinking for myself would be agreeing with your incorrect viewpoint..!

Maybe you should start, becasue soon you're gonna hurt those hands you know! And yes, I've seen it done. (On a motorbike, but it's the same principal, it was a slow crash) You wanna see the mess a metal watch strap makes when it's pushed up your arm becasue it's not covered.....

Ps. go on a first aid course if you think digging mud out of eyes is the best way to clean them.

Andy - what makes you think I'm angry? are you angry? 8)

I always wear a helmet on my bike and so does my 3 year old. That's my choice and I feel safer with it.

But... 2 years ago Dublin launched its city wide bike scheme like the one in Paris etc - 500 bikes. It has been extremely successful, with 11,000 trips recorded in one day this year. It's been really good for cycling in dublin. Similar schemes in similar sized cities in Australia have had very limited success and the main reason is because Australia has mandatory helmet laws and we don't. People can just hop on a bike here and go.

There have been no serious accidents over the 2 years with well over 1,000,000 trips in Dublin and Dublin city centre is by no means a particularly bike friendly environment.

I and my son will continue wearing our helmets but I can't really argue against the success of the Dublin bike scheme.

Against my instinct to say mandatory helmet wearing, I have to go with personal choice.

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My helmet makes my invincible 🙂

I wear a helmet, body armour and a spine protector so that I can ride as fast and stupidly as I like and never get hurt.

Curiously I was speaking to a surgeon the other day, of the cranial area, who said he'd only ever operated on people with head injuries from not wearing helmets in cycling accidents, he'd never in his career had to repair a head on a cyclist who had been wearing a helmet. Annecdotal evidence of course, worth the paper it's printed on, but a fascinating fact all the same.

But they all had neck injuries instead (C TJ 1901-2011) 😉

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But they all had neck injuries instead (C TJ 1901-2011)

It's certainly a possibility, that point was raised but the look of derision in his eyes was somewhat offputting!

I don't wear one because this guy looks cool as.

I bet he wouldn't go thirsty in the rainforest either.

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any takers?

Curiously I was speaking to a surgeon the other day, of the cranial area, who said he'd only ever operated on people with head injuries from not wearing helmets in cycling accidents, he'd never in his career had to repair a head on a cyclist who had been wearing a helmet. Annecdotal evidence of course, worth the paper it's printed on, but a fascinating fact all the same.

His entire career is spent treating non-helmet wearing cyclist's head injuries? Wow.

I know a retired surgeon, who is also a cyclist and former doctor for the Milk Race and British cycling. A colleague of his looked at the coroner's reports for cycling fatalities and didn't think there was a single one where injuries wouldn't have also killed them, when head injury was the cause of death. Neither wore helmets.

[i]but when I do wear gloves I wear the thinnest I can find and they don't protect my hands (ripping a finger clean off one in a silly little crash is proof enough of this)[/i]

Or, maybe, right, maybe the glove actually worked! You know, without it, that could have been your finger that was ripped off!

Well, it works for the [i]'I would've been killed to death if I hadn't have been wearing a helmet'[/i] argument...

Well i don't really care if the dad is wearing a helmet or not but for goodness sake put one on the child!!

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Giro and Bell lose market share to homemade ones in Egypt....

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Comparing a head injury to a finger injury is pretty misguided. If we're doing comparisons then I think only spinal (inc. neck and brain stem) and vital organ injuries are relevant in the same discussion as head injuries.

Or we could just agree that people's right to protect themselves or otherwise is their own decision, whether we like it or not, and move on.

Why on earth are all these people falling off their bikes? Get some stabilisers.

AndyRT - Member

It's already happening. How many new trail sites are disappearing due to liabilities becoming prime cause to refuse entry to private land. With the potential for vast areas of forests becoming privately owned, this should occupy our thoughts more often. When has a single action not been a trigger for a further event? Everything is interconnected.

This is bullshine - its never happened

~andy - you need to read the CTC link I posted earlier.

On the surgeons - I know of an antipodean neurosurgeon who won't ever wear a helmet because in his opinion you are more likely to get a rotational injury - thats a diffuse axonal injury if you wear a helmet rather than a focal injury if you don't wear a helmet.

Focal injuries are much easier to recover from

some research shows 30% of all head injured helmet wearers have worse injuries due to this effect.

When you look at populations you see no decrease in injury rates with increase in helmet wearing

Hiya GW. Teh rest of you don't want to see him when he is angry

TandemJeremy

Youre full of shit, were a ****ing lid.

Jumpupanddown - actually I believe in evidence based practice. go and read the evidence. I provided you with some links to it

Unlike you I am a rational human being who understands risk. I wear a helmet when the riding I am doing merits it. I don't when it does not.

TandemJeremy
well when you fall of with out one and mess ur brain up expect me to lol at you!

Judging by your spelling its already happened to you.

I have been cycling 40+ years with no injury.

well when you fall of with out one and mess ur brain up expect me to lol at you!

TJ - where a ****ing lid - Stop being a pretentious knob.
Arguing that there is no evidence that helmets help - The only evidence I need is personal experiences when I came off. Hurt badly and Im alive. nuff said.

Don’t bother replying with a dull reply.
Thanks

edit - do you wear a seatbelt in a car?

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Don't bother making a fallacious and nonsensical post then Janesy.

why should I wear a helmet to keep you happy? Just maybe you should open your mind and your eyes and read the evidence

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edit - do you wear a seatbelt in a car?

Don't bother making a fallacious and nonsensical post then Janesy.

why should I wear a helmet to keep you happy? Just maybe you should open your mind and your eyes and read the evidence

In 2005 the British Medical Association wrote, and in 2005 formally adopted, a position calling on the UK government to introduce cycle helmet legislation

Yes tandemwobbily clearly all doctors think they are useless.