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biff - excuse my ignorance, but are you then the "importer" for the other guys? Are there knards in the UK at the moment?
biff I'm in Surrey and would love a go, probably a couple of my buddies would be curious too
Yes - I'm importer. But not important. Knards are Surly thing so although Jeff has some in Oregon to test and fiddle with I've no notion of UK availability. But Charlie (CTBM) is linked in to their distribution channels so he'll have a much better idea. He might be along in a bit, I might need to nudge him.
Knards are Surly thing so although Jeff has some in Oregon ...
sorry, I was being a div and conflating jones/surly 😳
Ive put my emial address in CTBM's auto-fatkit-trumpet database so will just have to wait and see. I was wondering what the inflated dimensions of the tyre might be on a gordo and whether I could stuff it in a 100mmQR jones truss fork....
Stoner - Jeff is due to report back on 100mm truss fork fitting. I'll let you know. Surly's blog has some dimensions over at http://surlybikes.com/blog/your_rabbit_hole_looks_knardy that should help.
Mattjg - a ride on the North Downs should be very possible. Saturday rather than sunday better for me, although week days doable too. Feel free to email me, biff@yesweareontheweb.com to sort something.
biff - any news on the likelihood of a ti diamond in the near future?
oh, well found lads. Thats a great help.
a P35 nominally has the same dims as my gordo then, so just need to get the tape measure out and see if "The Knard 3.0 tire on a Velocity P35 will be 76.7mm wide and have a diameter of 778.6mm." will fit in the fork.
As it happens I ride RR 2.4 on my gordo, which comes in at 61mm wide and plenty of radial room. SO if the RR on the rabbit hole is 66mm/752mm, It may just squeeze.
*heads off to shed with tape measure...*
Well that's put paid to my optimism 🙁
There's no chance it's going to fit. There's probably just enough clearance on the front truss but not the rear fork legs.
My RR on 35mm gordo is 746mm x 61mm and there's probably just enough clearance for an RR on a Rabbit Hole at 752mm x 66mm
BUT...
there's not the room to go up to 77mm wide AND 779mm diameter as the legs start to taper in to the crown too quickly.
RR 2.4" on Gordo 35mm, Jones 29er 100mm fork
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Hey biff, you ever over south Devon way for a demo?
Peanut - South Devon isn't a regular stomping ground but how far are you from Swanage, Dorset? Charlie has a Jones for riding there. The next best option is an event/race where I (or another friendly Jones owner might be). I do get about though so will add South Devon to my list of places to take my bike and contact you if I'm heading that way.
Cool, thanks biff. Keep meaning to get over to Charlie's, but a ride on 'my' trails would be best. Haldon, Woodbury and Dartmoor are good places for a biking trip btw 8).
Clink (and others) - [b]AFAIK[/b] Jeff wants to do (more) Ti and lots more besides but Jones Bicycles is [i]just[/i] Jeff (and Sheila – Mrs Jones) with no 'big company' behind the scenes. It's all down to time, money and passion. Jeff has the latter in abundance, the other two are trickier.
ti diamond. want. (if JJ think it works).
Peanut - I rode Dartmoor once, a long time ago. It was good. I've made a note.
biff : G'd evening, long time no see/speak...yadda...yadda....blab....blab....yeah, i'm fine, back riding after 4yrs away...are you well? - still jones'ed up i see?......ahhh good-good, that's nice to hear, pass on my regards to jeff...... so that's the pleasantries out the way then 😉
Outcast? - I take it the filthy rag is still alive and in print?, by use of the term 'alive' i should say dragging it's infected pages across moor and hillside infecting all living things in it's path with deviant spores of wanton depravity?, if so then good!, i'll be in touch through the usual means by branding my subscription address on the carcass of a wild goat and dropping it off at your doorstep, or i may just send you an email....wild galloway goats are getting rather scarce at the moment - hope you understand.
Mick : - I'll be in touch also....ps : nice bike!, very tucked back end......sorry...got a bit "carry on" stylee there.
Glad to be back, only 4 days till i fall down at the real ale wobble...woohoo!. 😀
Issue #25 of The Outcast is being worked on.
The best 'zine in the world is coming!
Jeff posted his experiences with the Knard on his [url= http://www.jonesbikes.com/?option=com_wordpress&lang=en&Itemid=58 ]blog[/url]
Hells bells biff I thought you must have run out of paper 😉
cheers martin - unfortunately that's his 135mm unicrown and truss forks he's reviewing. I have the older 100mm truss and there's just not the room.
I reckon my fatness is limited to a 2.4" tyre on 35mm, maybe 50mm, rim.
Im OK with that as the RR + Gordo has been very good - and it's quite light too.
Too many posts without pics, so I thought I'd throw this in, from flickr.
All kinds of wrong and right at the same time 🙂
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/porcelainrocket/7648136678/ ]Jeff Jones Spaceframe Bicycle with Porcelain Rocket gear[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/porcelainrocket/ ]Porcelain Rocket[/url], on Flickr
I'm too am limited by the 100mm fork.
Currently running P35s with Geax 2.3 Gatos which can be run at pretty low pressure but I'd love to be able to run a Knard.
martin - I wonder what size a 3"+ tyre on a 26er rim comes to? or maybe 650b - is there such a fat rim/tyre product?
Stoner here is a pic of my old km with 26" wheels and 3" nokian's on , they were just a touch smaller than 29erxwith regular 29er tyres on
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cheers firestarter - something to consider. I guess there's quite a few 3"+ 26er tyres out there....
Unicycle shops are good for 3" by 26"tyres strangely enough
They do weigh the earth tho
Surly have one tyre at 29+ now, but there will be more coming, maybe bigger, maybe a 2.7s a size you can drop on to a flow rim with a normal rigid 29er fork.
There is undoubtably more to come.
yum, lots of nice photo's of joneses...
had my ti spaceframe for just over a year, its true what 'they' say. its the best bike ive ever ridden. spent 4 years saving up for it at at this rate, considerably longer enjoying having done so.
so assured and well thought through, bit of shock adjusting to rigid after years of hardtail action but love just about every aspect of the bike. i'm probably boring in my gushing praise for it.
jeff is a clever chap...
I have a small parcel of Jones bars here now... for the first time in ages... only three bars left.
small print.... obviously available from good bike shop everywhere... oh hold, no they are not.
Like the idea of the Bars but not sure how they would be with a rohloff as your obstructing the socalled xc honking position 😉 anyone tried them with a gripshift type shifter
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[/img]rholoff on jones bars....
http://forums.mtbr.com/internal-gear-hubs/new-rohloff-shifter-jones-bars-675224.html
I had a Rohloff on mine - the new style low profile shifter. Worked very well and didn't get in the way *too* much.
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/46413317@N06/5743176167/ ]DSC_0285[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/46413317@N06/ ]Jones96er[/url], on Flickr[/img]
Thanks fellas food thought 😉
So much Jones goodness. Just ordered a diamond frame myself.
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/67338272@N05/8205011200/ ]DSCN9297[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/67338272@N05/ ]james-o[/url], on Flickr
The Tour-Tech Duality is strong in this one.
pnut - Member
So much Jones goodness. Just ordered a diamond frame myself.
Fork?
H-bars, cut or uncut, that is the question? (well for me anyway, cannot decide)
who votes cut over loop ?
I've got both. The loops are more versatile with space for gear shifters as well as brakes, and the loop for attaching lights, maps etc, however for some unexplained reason, I prefer the cuts on the single speed.
peanut, do they(cuts) feel narrow ? thats my only concern
Oddly enough no, or at least, not after they;ve been on the bike for a while ( I am a serial fettler, and also hate narrow bars). If I put some wide 780's on for a change and then go back to them, they do feel really narrow and odd, but after a few minutes, completely natural and I wonder why I would ever want to ride anything else. The loops are not noticably wider, just longer in the grip position. I do sometimes dream of a really wide Jones bar, but then I am a bit of a handlebar tart. 🙂
There's a ti diamond frame with truss forks on fleabay at the moment. Glad I don't have a job as I'd have been sorely tempted.
Yeah, its sad, I can afford the bars but not the bike!
Quick technical question if I may, is there a way of creating a dual duty single speed wheel that can run front or rear?
I understand that for front use the rotor would need to be spaced out approx 5mm(maybe less) or the caliper in by the same. But what about a non-permanent change that would allow the axle to fit either dropout? Could you take it down to 9mm and still run it safely in the rear?