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I couldn't care less, and I doubt Orange do either.
Anyone who cares what other people stick on their walls at their workplace needs to turn their outrage knob waaaaay down.
^^^^^ This
I saw a woman reading Fifty Shades of Grey whilst waiting for the Tube a few weeks back. No-one batted an eyelid. I suspect that there would have been a different reaction if I'd pulled out a copy of Razzle. Is the double standard here that men are frowned upon for having an interest in sex whereas women aren't, or at least not in the same way.
I see your point but not sure that's a fair comparison. Would anyone have batted an eyelid had [i]you[/i] pulled out a copy of FSOG? Would anyone have batted an eyelid had the woman pulled out a copy of Razzle?
I struggle with long sentences but they maybe happy to lose orders from the ones that find it objectionable as they will mostly be soft southern riders that they do not want buying their bikes for mincing on the Surrey hills. That means their will be no short supply for sweary northerners. Just my tuppence worth FWIW.
Or maybe Orange thought that their target market was a bunch of quite cool, friendly and relaxed action sports types, rather than a bunch of hand wringing liberal woofters?
Then somebody needs to have a word with them !
Why on earth would it make good business sense to upset the "hand wringing liberal woofters"? Their money folds as well as the next man's.
But fair enough, I didn't realise that Orange were actively trying to reduce the size of their order book. Makes perfect sense now.
People would avoid buying Orange bikes because their welders like tits?
They obviously hadn't thought their potential purchase through.
Furthermore, the people offended by this are not really liberal are they?
I'm not offended by a boobie, a cock or even (gasp) a bumhole. That's a liberal attitude to nudity that is.
i dont understand, are some people seriously suggesting that boobies are a bad thing?
even women love boobies!
[i]Would anyone have batted an eyelid had you pulled out a copy of FSOG? Would anyone have batted an eyelid had the woman pulled out a copy of Razzle? [/i]
Either one is surely more socially acceptable than pulling out a copy of the Daily Mail.
Amazing, 7 pages of people getting upset about a calendar/ photo on the wall.
Bless you're precious souls.
You'd see more on Bournemouth beach each summer!
Isn't the orange logo based on a bumhole anyway?
Wasn't that Kona?
Either one is surely more socially acceptable than pulling out a copy of the Daily Mail.
I hide a copy of the mail inside Razzle.
Why on earth would it make good business sense to upset the "hand wringing liberal woofters"? Their money folds as well as the next man's.
But fair enough, I didn't realise that Orange were actively trying to reduce the size of their order book. Makes perfect sense now.
Are you [b]actually[/b] saying that you believe Orange will lose even one single customer because the welders have a couple of saucy calendars in the workshop ?
Or are you just chucking that rubbish in to try and bolster a point ?
Isn't the orange logo based on a bumhole anyway?
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[/img]With the sun shining out of it!!!
To pick up the earlier point about getting your car serviced; I've not seen pictures of semi-naked women on the walls of any of the dealerships that I take our cars to for servicing for many years and I'd be very surprised if I did. Not offended, but surprised. They are dealers for brands that have spent millions building up a brand reputation and image and they are not about to risk that image just because some grease monkey wants to look at a pair of tits while they change your oil.
The guy down the road does have your classic mechanic's poster on the wall. But he's cheap, runs his own business and has more work than he can manage so, frankly, can do what he likes.
Objectification of people is just wrong, it does nothing for anyone really apart from encourage insecurity and other phobias.
So are we going get reduced trade by [i]not[/i] having grot on the workshop walls ?
Loco , might lose a couple of tossers 😉
😆 didn't mean in a resource centre type of display way 😯
I did my apprentiship as a sparky for a firm with a massive welding/fabrication factory.....should have seen the porn we got from suppliers. It got so bad a one point the toilets (if that's what you could call them) were covered in pages from mags, and each stall had quite a few grot mags lying around in them. I remember one bloke (Bob Darby) ran the shot blast machine and he had a stash unparalleled to any ive seen before or after, im talking an entire cubby hole retreat he knocked up from plywood and people would often "borrow" one or two.
Ever bench had a calendar or two up....except for our bit the panel shop? 🙁 Just before i left (yonks ago) the management stamped down on it to much objection.
once went into a bar on the reeperbahn in hamburg, this is 35 years ago, there was a porn film showing on a giant screen, and the barmaid was sucking the owners/managers dick casually in view !
Didn't stop me having a drink, as it all seemed matter of fact, but was a culture 'shock' compared to uk pubs !
Shirley there's a few health and hygiene rules being flouted in that establishment 😯
Objectification of people is just wrong, it does nothing for anyone really apart from encourage insecurity and other phobias.
What if they've got really really great norks though? Surely sticking them on your wall, and staring at them while openly salivating is the ultimate compliment. Thus helping with insecurity! Thats how it works, isn't it?
Didn't stop me having a drink, as it all seemed matter of fact, but was a culture 'shock' compared to uk pubs !
There speaks a man who never experienced a Flesh night at the Hacienda. The things I've seen 😯
*shudders*
Objectification of people is just wrong, it does nothing for anyone really apart from encourage insecurity and other phobias.
Do you feel objectified/insecure when you see the diet coke ads?
Who would possibly object to the situation donks describes other than namby-pamby hand-wringing liberals. 😯
I still maintain that the path to this country's more enlightened attitude to the human body isn't more public acceptance of porn. When I went to the municipal sauna in Austria on a skiing holiday they were strictly naked only and unisex, and the changing rooms were unisex too. Found it a bit odd at first with my British prudishness, especially being there with a mate and his GF, but when in Rome etc.
To me that's a sign of a grown up country with much less hangups about the body and nudity etc - not having **** mags all over the place.
binners old chap , hacienda was not even open then, it was 1976 to be precise-- i was a little 16 year lad 😉
you right Grum there is a juvenile attitude to sex among many adult(mainly men)people in this country, maybe why we have the highest teenage pregnancy rates in Europe-- lack of education allied with a smutty attitude to sex
wrecker - i don't give two hoots to ads personally, i'm comfy in my wreck of a body, but many people ain't-- especially young uns'-- one of my daughters is besotted with this crap 😕
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one of my daughters is besotted with this crap
Lets be honest, the various mags aimed at women/girls chokka with size zero models do far more damage than a Pirelli calendar hanging in a workshop or page 3 ever will.
Loads of hunky good looking men on BBC 1 right now being objectified
Lets be honest, the various mags aimed at women/girls chokka with size zero models do far more damage than a Pirelli calendar hanging in a workshop or page 3 ever will.
Couldn't agree more with this.
It's a valid concern, but its aimed at entirely the wrong place.
Not on here much but I believe someone actually started this thread !
This is the only response needed >>
I couldn't care less, and I doubt Orange do either.
Anyone who cares what other people stick on their walls at their workplace needs to turn their outrage knob waaaaay down.
Lets be honest, the various mags aimed at women/girls chokka with size zero models do far more damage than a Pirelli calendar hanging in a workshop or page 3 ever will.
Couldn't agree more with this.It's a valid concern, but its aimed at entirely the wrong place.
All part of the same thing though. And people keep talking about 'outrage' and 'offence' and how ridiculous it is. Has anyone actually said they are outraged or offended?
Nice bit of racism in that video up there btw. But I guess you're only bothered by that if you're a wet liberal too eh?
Bwaarp-- you seem to be trying to mix sexuality with learned behaviours , i agree that sexuality is hard wired , initially,but can be deviated later through nurture/lack of--hence paedophilia.the response you gave to patriarchy was deterministic imo, and stands no examination.
Paedophilia is quite often caused by structural differences in the brain. Hence why you can't cure it with therapy.
Do you really think that something as important as sexuality would be left to something as fleeting and arbitrary as social constructs? Babies have been shown to prefer looking at more attractive younger women. I suppose society and GQ magazine influenced them?
Objectification of people is just wrong, it does nothing for anyone really apart from encourage insecurity and other phobias.
NSFW!
All part of the same thing though.
Perhaps, but maybe women should get their own publications sorted out before directing their ire at those produced for men?
And people keep talking about 'outrage' and 'offence' and how ridiculous it is. Has anyone actually said they are outraged or offended?
So, we're in agreement then? Nobody cares what the orange welders have on their walls and would still buy a bike from them?
Just wondering does the O.P and all who agree with his opinion vet every employee of every company they have dealings with ??
Who built your house your car etc ? Some of those involved could be worse than this bunch with a nudy callendar Ffs !
Imagining the O.P checking the buiders vans for grot mags as his house is built ha ha
Seriously your boycott list must be huge ! How do you survive ?
What the video shows me is a good, honest happy work environment which we should value . The amount of falseness where I work whenever there are visitors in is cringeworthy.
Funny old things internet discussion boards, aren't they? Normally, when two people are discussing something you'd expect both to at least try and understand the other's position. Not deliberately extrapolate that position into some parody of itself then attack the parody. What is the point of that?
If there is something I've said that you don't agree with then I'm happy to discuss it and may even change my mind. But if you just want to create your own fictitious position and attack that then you don't need anybody else to play.
Interesting point about falseness though.
Perhaps, but maybe women should get their own publications sorted out before directing their ire at those produced for men?
Is it not possible to care about more than one thing at the same time?
So, we're in agreement then? Nobody cares what the orange welders have on their walls and would still buy a bike from them?
Wouldn't put me off buying a bike from them - still think it's a bit weird/outdated though.
Funny old things internet discussion boards, aren't they? Normally, when two people are discussing something you'd expect both to at least try and understand the other's position. Not deliberately extrapolate that position into some parody of itself then attack the parody. What is the point of that?If there is something I've said that you don't agree with then I'm happy to discuss it and may even change my mind. But if you just want to create your own fictitious position and attack that then you don't need anybody else to play.
Good post that. It will probably be ignored though, because it's fair, balanced and accurate to this thread.
Just wondering does the O.P and all who agree with his opinion vet every employee of every company they have dealings with ??
Who built your house your car etc ? Some of those involved could be worse than this bunch with a nudy callendar Ffs !Imagining the O.P checking the buiders vans for grot mags as his house is built ha ha
Seriously your boycott list must be huge ! How do you survive ?
What the video shows me is a good, honest happy work environment which we should value . The amount of falseness where I work whenever there are visitors in is cringeworthy.
^^^ This.
I asked this very question twice but have still not had any replies.
On a side note, I showed the "p*ss off a liberal day" video to a colleague and my Sales Director who both thought it was excellent. But then I work in a nice, non-PC and banter filled environment where nobody takes stuff or themselves too seriously.....
On a side note, I showed the "p*ss off a liberal day" video to a colleague and my Sales Director who both thought it was excellent. But then I work in a nice, non-PC and banter filled environment where nobody takes stuff or themselves too seriously.....
Call it 'not taking yourself too seriously' if you want. I call it 'being a bit racist'. It's not that it pisses me off, but it makes me think 'that person is probably a bit of a dick'.
I have all sorts if incredibly non-PC jokes/conversations with my friends - I'd never dream of posting the content of them on here though, as that would be inappropriate/potentially offensive. We all know that none of us are actual bigots/racists though - unlike that guy in the video.
We all know that none of us are actual bigots/racists though - unlike that guy in the video.
.......or is he? It could be said he is just voicing the fact he prefers classic European art to African art. That's not necessarily racist is it? Again, too easy for a middle class white person to get offended on behalf of someone else innit.....