[Closed] How good is a CCDBair shock?

It's probably the best single component on my bike! (and that's not because the rest of the bike is S**t btw!)

For anything but proper, pukka DH on a proper Pukka DH bike, it's "the answer" as far as i am concerned of AM/Enduro or what ever. If you have a bike with "bobby" rear suspension, get the climb switch version, if not, you won't miss it ime.

Only one caveat, these shocks are very adjustable, which means there are way more "poor" setting choices than other more fixed dampers. As such, take some time to understand what the knobs do, and some more time to experiment to find a set of settings that work for you. However, because of that range of adjustability, and the repeatability of the damping across a wide range of velocities, i find i never really have to adjust the damper for any given terrain.

Not much needs to be said, they are very very good.

Best shock I've used , thought nothing would get close to my fab old coil sprung enduro but
I was wrong.
And as above found I can use the same pressure setting for everything

I really want one. But dunno of it'll be better than my wc tuned rocco marzocchi shock

Really not liking my CTD on the 26" bandit I have and thinking the ccdbair is the way forward. Not sure I can justify the cs version though. Anyone know someone with a ccdbair on their bandit? Kimbers knows someone and I think grahamt1980 has one.

Is the CCDB air or coil as good at anti bobbing as the 5th element coil of old was?

I'm looking at getting a CS but the new inline looks like it should be enough for most UK riding. If I can get hold of one!

Iolo i have just put a ccdb coil on my soon to be selling orange blood and even with my very basic tuning skills i now have no pedal bob either standing or sitting . its well impressive.

the guy Kimbers knows and me are one and the same.

In all honesty it is the best upgrade I have made to any bike. It's so good it makes the 44 rc3 ti on the front feel ordinary. and the cs is worth the extra.
Although I have forgotten to turn it off on some descents and not noticed the shock is that good.

Tony. I will bring my bandit out at some point and you can put the shock on your bandit for a trial if you want.

iolo
Is the CCDB air or coil as good at anti bobbing as the 5th element coil of old was?

Define "Good"? A damper only does what it's valving asks it to do. AT least with a proper "twin tube" damper, you have virtually fully independent high and low speed adjustment of the damping co-efficient. As such, you have the best chance of being able to set a suitable absorption characteristic across the widest speed range for both compression and rebound.

On my zesty, which isn't really very "bobby" i certainly haven't missed not having an additional climb switch or what ever, and in fact, it's brilliant not having to think about what you need to select for any given trail/terrain, just charge straight in! (and even better not having to remember to turn that dam climb switch back off again for the downs....... 😉

jedi
I really want one. But dunno of it'll be better than my wc tuned rocco marzocchi shock

In terms of pure damper control i doubt there is a lot in it. The big advantage of the DBair is the massive adjustment range, meaning it can be "all things to all men" (and all women 😉 )

AT least with a proper "twin tube" damper, you have virtually fully independent high and low speed adjustment of the damping co-efficient. As such, you have the best chance of being able to set a suitable absorption characteristic across the widest speed range for both compression and rebound.

The 5th element was exactly this. Complete with high speed and low speed compression, bottom out resistance, excellent anti bob valving.
When set up properly it was amazing, set up not so good it was bloody rubbish. In which way does the CCDB differ?

OK, hadn't known about the dbinline so I've now read up on it and I'm thinking this maybe is the best option between cost and having the cs.

Really not liking my CTD on the 26" bandit I have and thinking the ccdbair is the way forward.

I was thinking along those lines but TFTuned recommended going the PUSH route instead. I'm very happy with the difference PUSH made but have no idea whether its better or worse than a DBAir.

We have been running two S Works Enduros side by side for a few months. One with the standard RP23 and the other with the Cane Creek db air which has been set up as per the Lounge settings for the frame. We are both the same weight and hight and using medium frames. We have had alot of problems with the Cane Creek. So much so that its been replaced under warranty. Last year after all the hype I would have upgraded mine. After six months of running them both on identical trails Im not convinced that they are any better and will stick with my RP23. Will feed back in the summer on the new shock after our Alps trip

iolo
The 5th element was exactly this. Complete with high speed and low speed compression, bottom out resistance, excellent anti bob valving.
When set up properly it was amazing, set up not so good it was bloody rubbish. In which way does the CCDB differ?

I thought the 5th element wasn't a twin tube design? Ie the oil travels in two directions rather than in just one? (bear in mind, i could be completely wrong on that one 😉

I might be too 😉

I do wonder if it is more suitable for some frames over others. The difference between the rp23 on my bandit and the ccdb was amazing as the rp just seemed to blow through its travel whereas the ccdb doesn't at all.
With the rp I either had to run more pressure than needed and have our feel a bit dead or run the right amount of air and have it sit a long way into the travel and bottom out way more than it should do.
Just my feeling from it that's all. I suspect that other frames might not require as much shock support

^^^this is exactly what's happening with my CTD...even with the biggest spacer (and I'm only 175 kitted up). PUSH tune sounds good...but at £143 for it not to work would be just a waste really.

I did think about getting mine tuned. But as I had the money I just went for the ccdb air cs instead.
I am seriously glad I did. The wierd blowing through travel did my head in for a while until I found some comments about it on a forum search on a site in the states.
Ok the shock costs a bit but it fixed the issue.

PUSH tune sounds good...but at £143 for it not to work would be just a waste really.

You can ask for whatever characteristics you fancy. For me it improved the fast small bump response remarkably whilst also providing more support in the mid stroke. Bottom out and pedalling characteristics were pretty similar to the stock CTD.

Too late daveh...just preordered a dbinline.

The CS version is definitely worth the extra, although you dont think it should work as you cant seem to feel the difference just riding along it really does work as soon as you come to climb a hill. The ccdb air in general is only worth it IMO if you're prepared to put the time and effort in to getting it adjusted to its optimal. That means being able to feel the tiny differences to be able to adjust it and get it set right, without this effort put in its only as good as any other shock.

Too late daveh...just preordered a dbinline

Lol, good man.