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singlespeedstu
Full Memberyou need a brake light
You really don’t.
Back on topic.
As ever it’s not the bike , it’s if it’s being ridden in the appropriate manner and place that’s the problem.
As with any bike.
This, exactly....
And no, you don’t need a brake light if you don’t have any other lights.
Whether that means people are going to be pushing beyond the limits of legality more when they are inaudible is something to be seen.
Almost certainly, if people are prepared to travel from Liverpool to East Lancashire because they think they can get away with it on noisy bikes they'll do it on emx,
Bit surprising that some on this thread would paint all Sur-ron owners as the lowest form of scum and throw a stick through their spokes.
Yet as soon as a log gets laid down across a not-exactly-legal mtb trail...
Oh my god won't you think of the children you monster?!?!?!
Sure Sur rons attract some antisocial bellends but then so does MTB or 'whatver activity it is you do that I don't like' in the little outdoor space we have in this country.
what is their intended purpose? seriosus question. if anyone can go out and buy one, and its not road legal, where can they be ridden?
They can be ridden anywhere you have the permission of the landowner.
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what is their intended purpose? seriosus question. if anyone can go out and buy one, and its not road legal, where can they be ridden?
Private land/where you have permission from the landowner - the same as the e-scooter things.....
The problem is the shop owner/retailer only has to tell you it's for use on private land and not public roads/areas etc. and they have fulfilled their legal obligation - what ever you do with it after point of purchase is nothing to do with them.
A lot of the riders seem to think that as they use MTB brakes and other components that that makes them e-bikes and NOT an e-moto.
Naa, the smartarses will just come to the defense of enduro riders by asking if they had road-legal tyres, number plates, or how could you tell if they had wide range gearboxes, low compression pistons and plusher suspension, or that enduro is a race format, not a bike, you can enduro on any motorbike depending on the events requirements, how do you know they weren’t MX bikes with number plates and daylight MOT’s, are you sure they weren’t dual sports or green laners?
It doesn't make any difference...motor vehicles aren't allowed to ride/drive anywhere on Cannock Chase. They used to do 4x4 days up there which were lead round a specific area but not seen those for years, not after some folks tipped their Landrover over and had to be rescued. I meant 'enduro' in the sense of the MTB definition.
Not sure if it's a coincidence but I had the said Sur-Ron dealer in Cannock liking a recent Insta post 😛
It doesn’t make any difference
That was my tongue in cheek point, that there will always be a smartarse who'll pick up on whether it was really "MXers" or "enduro bikes" or "unregistered electric motorbikes". Ignoring the fact that 9 times out of 10 they do in fact deserve tarring with the same brush.
That was my tongue in cheek point, that there will always be a smartarse who’ll pick up on whether it was really “MXers” or “enduro bikes” or “unregistered electric motorbikes”. Ignoring the fact that 9 times out of 10 they do in fact deserve tarring with the same brush.
Lol, I got you 🙂 I thought that's where you were coming from although on the internet you can never be too sure 😛
Ignoring the fact that 9 times out of 10 they do in fact deserve tarring with the same brush.
Don't forget feathers too.
Bit surprising that some on this thread would paint all Sur-ron owners as the lowest form of scum and throw a stick through their spokes.
Given that they seem to ride where they don't have permission, on unlawful vehicles what would you suggest we do? Direct action (A stick through the wheel) for someone breaking rule one seems a proportionate response. Unlike indiscriminately booby trapping a trail for someone to require stitches or hospital treatment. Get the right jury and the direct action may even be aquitted like the Colston 4.
Given that they seem to ride where they don’t have permission, on unlawful vehicles what would you suggest we do? Direct action (A stick through the wheel) for someone breaking rule one seems a proportionate response. Unlike indiscriminately booby trapping a trail for someone to require stitches or hospital treatment. Get the right jury and the direct action may even be aquitted like the Colston 4.
Will they let off the emxer who fills you in after you disable his emx?
Violence gives their current threats, criminal damage and generally shitty behaviour some legitimacy.
Get pictures, report, every single time you see them. Sticks in wheels is just stupid.
Never really had an issue when i've seen them, have seen a couple up FoD on the jumps bit of GBU and in off-piste bits, but they tend to keep themselves to themselves, are pretty good, so not really damaging the jumps and go at quiet times.
Same with others i've seen, they tend to be out the way and pretty harmless, but that's just the experiences i've had, it'll be different across the country as always.
So.... are they worth getting one??
Quite tempted for something to rag about the farm.
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Free MemberSo…. are they worth getting one??
Quite tempted for something to rag about the farm.
I’ve ridden one (albeit briefly) that belongs to a friend of mine...
To say that I was underwhelmed is putting it mildly. No way is it anything like riding a proper motorcycle - mind you, in my friend’s defence, he bought it to just cruise around the big camp site that he owns and runs, so I’ll let him off...
In your position I’d buy a three or four year old trials bike, especially if you’ve got some good rocky gullies or steep banks to play about on, it’ll be far more fun, believe you me.
You can get something pretty tidy for less than you’d pay for one of those Sur-ron pieces of s**t.
Must admit, I was tempted after the whole Swinley palava to get a road-registered one. My parents live up in the Dales and currently get around a lot on e-bikes, but I think dad would enjoy something with just a bit more capability/range (I've ridden the same routes he does, on a CX bike, but I'm mad).
But then realized it's got less power and range than a 50cc moped, the same legality, and costs the same as a 2nd hand electric KTM. And I can't afford the KTM either 🤣
Been a bit of Sur-ron action in my hood this week.
Yesterday I saw a lad on one pull out onto the main road, away at the lights then pop a massive wheelie behind the cars.
I saw him and another lad on one later on in the park nearby, wearing balaclavas.
I think they were riding some of the little bits of wooded singletrack we have in there 😐
Today I came away from work and approaching the lights, the two flew across right to left, both wearing balaclavas.
I turned the corner and watched them flying up the busy road on back wheels behind cars. They then ran a red light and carried on through the traffic.
They were heading on a road that would lead to this park again but about a mile away from it.
Knobbers. Clearly know they're unlikely to be caught.
Sadly I think it'll end up affecting the precious few little cycle trails we have. Some of these already get logs put across them regularly by dog walkers.
The Sur-rons aren't going to help that 😡
This is a park which is supposed to be having some short mtb trails built but we had an almighty battle with the loopy militant dog walkers about it. This definitely won't help.
They can be ridden anywhere you have the permission of the landowner.
Except within a SSSI.
There's lad who rides one round here. Full on balaclava, no helmet. Saw him go past the other day whilst riding with no hands as both were used to hold his phone he was looking at. Took him a few seconds to realise he was on the wrong side of the road.
I expect natural selection will eventually win out in his case.
Is the no helmet thing because the police won’t give chase if the rider isn’t wearing one?
Yes, very likely.
Difficult situation for the police.
what is their intended purpose? seriosus question. if anyone can go out and buy one, and its not road legal, where can they be ridden?
A petrol head Moto cross track up the road from me now has a sign outside it advertising EMX track. The lack of noise may allow them greater opening hours.
Difficult situation for the police.
It's really not.
Difficult situation for the police.
It’s really not
No? Ever tried to catch one?
They can and do go anywhere whatsoever at high speed and you can't chase them anyway because they ain't got helmets on.
I'd say that's a touch tricky, no?
Sorry, just to be clear, I was saying that the fact that they aren't wearing a helmet shouldn't influence the police response in any way.
I totally agree that pursuing a reckless, fast, small vehicle whose driver is completely disregarding the law and any consequences is very tricky.
As they aren't road legal, surely there is no requirement to wear a helmet on them in the first place?
surely there is no requirement to wear a helmet on them in the first place?
Just because they arent road legal doesnt mean those laws dont apply to them.
Its just that in addition with being done for riding without insurance/licence/tax/helmet you also get done for an unroadworthy vehicle.
Anyone riding an illegal motorbike (electric or otherwise) in an anti-social manner and chooses not to wear a helmet deserves everything they get. Not chasing them because they could get hurt or killed? They made a choice, screw them.
Anyone riding an illegal motorbike (electric or otherwise) in an anti-social manner and chooses not to wear a helmet deserves everything they get. Not chasing them because they could get hurt or killed? They made a choice, screw them
Well, although it's not someone riding a Sur Ron, the link below shows that someone riding like a dick who gets killed still has rights, for good or bad.
Seen a few in Sherwood pines and on the roads locally. Usually wearing hoodies and balaclavas. Just like electric scooters they are used by people on lookout and selling drugs. I wouldn’t be trying to fetch them off with a stick in their spokes tbh as you may get involved in something the average person doesn’t need to be involved in.
As for chipped ebikes how do you know and does a chip give them more power than 250w and a throttle ? 🤔
But then realized it’s got less power and range than a 50cc moped, the same legality, and costs the same as a 2nd hand electric KTM. And I can’t afford the KTM either
A lad down my road has one, apparently it's been modded to do 100mph. How true that is and how long it'd do that for I have no idea.
Sounds exciting on a glorified Ebike with a balaclava and sunglasses for protection.
2 in Rawtenstall tonight along with an off-road scooter thing. My dog hates them!!!!
I see quite a few in Bristol. Mainly kids tearing about beeping their horns as they go. "At least they use their bells..." (runs)
does a chip give them more power than 250w
Often yes - depends on the motor spec fitted to begin with. And there's loads going around on throttle only. Obv not the same as a 5000W e-MX though.
A couple of weekends ago the wife and I were enjoying the heady delights of Portobello promenade. It was a sunny day, so there were loads of folk out walking with wee kids, dogs and assorted old giffers. As we walked, I could hear a commotion swelling behind me and when I turned to look, my face was about 6 inches away from an oncoming front wheel.
Three teenagers in hoodies with their scarves pulled up, on leccy motorbikes showing off some impressive wheelie skills, whilst causing absolute carnage as they barrelled through the crowds.
They obviously thought it was hilarious, but I must admit I wasn't so much angry as bewildered. Who buys their kids these sort of things and expects them to be used responsibly?
Then I saw a wee 3/4 year old zipping past on a leccy balance bike and my hope for the future of humanity sank even lower.
Oh, and just for disclosure purposes, I ride an Orange Four and a Spesh Levo and couldn't pop a wheelie on either of them if my life depended on it.
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They obviously thought it was hilarious, but I must admit I wasn’t so much angry as bewildered. Who buys their kids these sort of things and expects them to be used responsibly?
Then I saw a wee 3/4 year old zipping past on a leccy balance bike and my hope for the future of humanity sank even lower.
Cars? Or e-MXs?
I see kids pulling wheelies in town as them taking back some of where they live, asserting something over the pretty much nothing the city has left. If they stop traffic, power to them. It's a symptom of how fked up our cites are for many kids growing up.
Whataboutery maybe but while cars do so much damage I'm not in a rush to demonise kids on scooters or sur-rons, or BMXs, etc.
Surely these things will receive no maintenance and die, those ones left running will be nicked by a fellow scumbag then set on fire.
Surely these things will receive no maintenance and die, those ones left running will be nicked by a fellow scumbag then set on fire.
you'd think the same about combustion powered 'crossers that need considerable maintenance but scroates are still ragging the shit out of moorlands/Lee Quarry etc on them.
While I'm sympathetic to the theft, correct me if I'm wrong but this bike isn't an Ebike, and shouldn't have been on the Holmebroom trail.
Police should prosecute, no?
BBC.COM That BBC article tells you a lot about the public's likely perception of Surrons, E-MTB FS bikes and anything ridden by someone in a full face lid.
Dashcam footage is being sought after a cyclist's electric bike was stolen by a group of men.
Derbyshire Police said the theft happened on the Holmebrook Valley Trail in Chesterfield on Wednesday night.
The cyclist, who was in his 20s, told officers he was approached by the group near the junction of Monkey Park and Chester Street at about 22:30 BST.
They stole the
Sur-Ron pedal assisted e-bikeand left in the direction of Chester Street.
I may be wrong but thought Surrons are all pegs not pedals. E-MX or EPAC - all the same to the public. I mean, who has time to look up the Type Classification of EPACs that are legal on bridleways like a bike anyway?
Interesting how Surron are describing these e-MXs as 'e-bikes' on their instagram site. They call them 'electric motorbikes' under the product images but there's plenty of of mention of bikes and e-bikes.
By Integration, Design, or Performance, Sur-Ron E Bikes set new standards in all areas
'E-Bike' is a general term. An EPAC is road legal and can be used anywhere a trad pedal bike can be used. Outside of that you're covered by moped/motorbike rules. Grey area, lack of clarity in general?
Given how clear a company such as Pure Electric has to be on e-scooter legality and descriptions and continual use of disclaimers or legal notices in their marketing of e-scooters it made me wonder about Surron's marketing. I couldn't find any clarification of legal status or classification of their bikes on their site. The same can be said of E-MTBs or speed pedelec brands eg Stromer though. The shops selling 28mph pelelecs are clear that they need moped licencing to go on the road, I expect it saves them wasted time or frustrated customers to be up front there. Surrons tend to be sold by motorbike shops so that should clear things up. The responsibility may be on the retailer not the brand - I'm not sure.
There's a pedal conversation kit for Surrons that replaces the footpegs with pedals. The **** I stopped riding up a busy footpath gave it the 'its an ebike mate' line whilst spinning his plastic Neutron's.
The genie is out of the bottle now with Surrons.
SURRON.CO.UK ^ it says that pedal kit can damage the motor unless it's restricted to EPAC regs. There's another kit for unrestricted power but if it has pedals and 6000W it's still illegal on bridleways and w/o plates and license etc - same as a chipped e-MTB. The problem with anything like that is that you can't really tell what's e-MTB and what's e-MX until it wheelspins and sprays dirt 15ft behind it.
The problem with anything like that is that you can’t really tell what’s e-MTB and what’s e-MX until it wheelspins and sprays dirt 15ft behind it.
Not really an issue is it? Look at the photo of the suron and tell me what it is. If you showed that photo to anyone and asked "bike or motorbike?" you're unlikely to get anything but motor bike back.
Look at the photo of the suron and tell me what it is.
You and I can tell, we look at bikes all the time and can ID a mech model at 20 yards or a tyre from the pattern left in the dirt.
I reckon the average non-cyclist out for a walk sees the same thing, e-MTB or e-MX. Sus forks, big tyres, often with a full face lid. They don't see a photo, they see someone on something generally like that coming past them either being a dick or not. The BBC can't get it right in that article linked above, can't see Doris and John out with Bertie the poodle getting it right.
What I'm getting at is that's how they get away with it, they look close enough to the same.
I got Sur-Ronned this evening. 3 absolute chumps riding them in the canal tow path next to the Northampton arm of the Grand Union. I had slowed down to walking speed to go under a bridge. Very glad I did as Throbber 1 came racing through from the opposite direction. We collided but thankfully no damage done. Throbbers 2 and 3 skidded to a halt. I got out of the way sharpish, mainly due to shock. They rode away with Throbber 3 spinning his rear wheel as he left. Totally the wrong place to be riding an electric motorbike. Families and dog walkers on a path a couple of feet wide.