Done
Signed
ditto & fb
Done.
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Addresses road cycling directly but should influence off-road access positively too. All good.
I'm only signing it if I can have a taxi follow me on my commute with my laptop/change of clothes/etc.
**Devil's Advocate**
And who is going to pay for all this? Surely if cyclists want a programme of expenditure specifically for cycling infrastructure then some kind of tax should be introduced, similar in practice to road tax for cars.
And who is going to pay for all this? Surely if cyclists want a programme of expenditure specifically for cycling infrastructure then some kind of tax should be introduced, similar in practice to road tax for cars
I thought roads were taxed through council (and other) taxes, and that the taxes drivers pay for their cars were related to emissions (hence electric and other super fuel efficient cars not paying any tax)? That means that all cyclists are paying for the maintenance and development of the road network, whether we own a car or not (I don't).
But then I might be totally wrong - I often am. 😀
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And who is going to pay for all this? Surely if cyclists want a programme of expenditure specifically for cycling infrastructure then some kind of tax should be introduced, similar in practice to road tax for cars.
[url= http://ipayroadtax.com/no-such-thing-as-road-tax/who-pays-road-tax/ ]Read this.[/url] There's no such thing as 'road tax'.
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Read this. There's no such thing as 'road tax'.
I meant by way of paying an annual/or 6 monthly fee for a tax disc, not where the money goes.
The fact is the roads are already there and need maintaining. What is being proposed here is a whole new infrastructure, so where is the money for that going to come from?
I will gladly pay "Road Tax" Mikey as VED under the current guidelines based on emissions, when can i expect my rebate?
The reality is a cycling nation is of benefit to everyone, less cars on the roads means less spent on road maintenance and building. Healthier populace takes pressure off the NHS etc.
I pay enough damn petrol tax and car tax already. If I'm riding a bike it means I'm not driving a car for which I've already paid rent for going on the road.
And signed.
I've amended the thread title to something a bit more meaningful (to catch attention and avoid duplicate threads). Hope that's ok, OP.
Signed, only 5k signatures at the moment need to build some momentum up on this.
Wonder if the taxi driver that tried to kill me this morning will sign it? 😐
What is being proposed here is a whole new infrastructure, so where is the money for that going to come from?
General taxation, same place it does currently.
Are you suggesting that it's fair to expect everyone to pay for the motor vehicle infrastructure but make cyclists pay extra for theirs? If so I'd respectfully disagree.
I pay enough damn petrol tax and car tax already. If I'm riding a bike it means I'm not driving a car for which I've already paid rent for going on the road.
This. I have a car, so I pay road tax. Suspect most cyclists are the same.
Nice to see 5,625 signatories on the petition already, 1367 in the last hour... hope Armagideon can find the cash for this!
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I meant by way of paying an annual/or 6 monthly fee for a tax disc, not where the money goes.
The fact is the roads are already there and need maintaining. What is being proposed here is a whole new infrastructure, so where is the money for that going to come from?
Do you think the roads will need more, or less, maintenance if we reduce the number of cars using them?
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I have a car, so I pay road tax.
No, you don't.
No, you don't.
Don't I? Isn't that what the circular tax thingy is for?
[quote=camo16 ] No, you don't.
Don't I? Isn't that what the circular tax thingy is for?
that's vehicle excise duty, which is calculated based on emissions. there's no such thing as road tax. see link above...
Something learned today then. 😉
Done.
Signed, shared on faceache and .. erm.. [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/psa-please-sign-the-get-britain-cycling-e-petition ]re-posted here[/url]. (Cheers Cougar)
And who is going to pay for all this? Surely if cyclists want a programme of expenditure specifically for cycling infrastructure then some kind of tax should be introduced, similar in practice to road tax for cars.
Erm [i]"road tax"[/i] (or more properly CAR tax) isn't a "a programme of expenditure specifically for [i]car[/i] infrastructure"
We all pay for roads. The roads that cyclists use (i.e. not motorways) are mainly looked after by local authorities which we pay for through council tax.
Something learned today then.
Seems pedantic, but it's worth knowing if you're riding on the roads. Many motorists believe that they have more right to the road than cyclists as they "pay road tax" (neatly ignoring the fact that even if it were true, most cyclists will also own cars).
Road tax was abolished in 1937, road maintenance is paid for out of general taxation.
Signed and forwarded to my BUG at work. I'll probably tweet it so that 3 others can see it 😉
Erm "road tax" (or more properly CAR tax) isn't a "a programme of expenditure specifically for car infrastructure"We all pay for roads. The roads that cyclists use (i.e. not motorways) are mainly looked after by local authorities which we pay for through council tax.
Read my follow-up post.
Having recently examined a little paper circle purchased from the Post Office whilst changing one, they are called Tax Discs- true fact!
Cheers,
Jamie
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Read my follow-up post.
Read mine
Done and shared. Will twit it later too.
Done, Faceached and ****ted from every account to which I have access. 😀
ISTR when it was 'road fund license' or 'tax disc'. Originally it was introduced to finance road building, pre-war I think. Then the Treasury got their hands on the money, and less and less went on roads. Taxpayers wouldn't like this, the way it just vanished into the government's black hole. So it became just another tax, which stopped people calling for it to be spent on roads again. Or something.
Having recently examined a little paper circle purchased from the Post Office whilst changing one, they are called Tax Discs- true fact!
Oh yeah. It's no wonder people are confused when the text on the discs themselves is worded incorrectly.
you cheeky wee scamp.camo16 - Member
Something learned today then.
done
Having recently examined a little paper circle purchased from the Post Office whilst changing one, they are called Tax Discs- true fact!
Yep - "tax disc" is a perfectly reasonable name. Note that it doesn't say "ROAD tax disc" though does it?
The Post Office website refers to it as [b]"vehicle tax"[/b]:
http://www.postoffice.co.uk/vehicle-tax
And the gov.uk website calls it [b]"vehicle tax"[/b] or [b]"car tax"[/b]:
https://www.gov.uk/browse/driving/car-tax-discs
It is a tax imposed on the particular vehicle, [i]not[/i] a tax on general road use.
That's an important distinction that sadly very few people seem to understand.
Cougar - ModeratorSeems pedantic, but it's worth knowing if you're riding on the roads.
It really isn't. it's one of those sad cases where people will use a falsehood against you, but there's no possibility at all of correcting or convincing them otherwise. Meanwhile if you respond with the actual facts, you end up looking like a knob.
Signed up though because this has nowt to do with the petition.
And in the end? It doesn't really matter at all. So you end up engaging a nonsense argument due to its inaccuracy, rather than dismissing it because it's nonsense.
It's like a 40-a-day smoker complaining that non-smokers don't pay [i]"NHS tax"[/i] so they shouldn't be allowed in hospitals.
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Done. There's no excuse for this thread not to turn into a 17 page behemoth.
17. The government should set national targets to increase cycle use from less than 2% of journeys in 2011, to 10% of all journeys in 2025, and 25% by 2050
Working for Scottish Government on setting and monitoring (NHS) targets, I know that targets aren't typically set unless they are measureable, which I am not sure this is
a 17 page behemoth
I tried to sign the petition, but some cocky **** in an Audi overtook me and I'm still stuck in the queue. 👿 😀
