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I have a controversial suggestion for parents convicted of abuse and murder such as this .Compulsory sterilization ?I know it would never happen because of human rights issues but that`s how I feel at the moment having read about the case .I know it wont bring the little lad back but they would never be able to abuse their own kids again would they?
Just put them down.
+1 as above
I've still not been able to read any of the articles in full or listen to any coverage - too tragic and sick.
+1 sterilisation
+2 putting them down
+3 knowing they're both going to get severely 'turned over' by their respective inmates before either of the above
had to turn the radio over when they started going through the details yesterday, just an awful business 🙁
Just awful. I know that the school were being told he was being treated for some mysterious eating problem (and told a load of other fabrications about his other injuries), but I [i]still[/i] can't get my head around it going on for as long as it did and nobody there intervening. So sad, poor little boy.
There are just some sick, sick bastards in this world, it beggars belief that so-called human beings can behave in this way.
Especially to their own child.
@Andy R - mother and stepfather.
EDIT: MrsCat has told me it could be associated with something called the Cinderella Effect - Wikipedia link for starters: [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_effect ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_effect[/url]
really shocked by this one. sparea thought also for children in syria, iraq, afghanistan etc etc.
I have a [s]controversial[/s] [b]perfectly acceptable and sensible[/b] suggestion for parents convicted of abuse and murder such as this
FTFY
The thought that these "people" could have another child doesn't sit well with me at all.
sparea thought also for children in syria, iraq, afghanistan etc etc
Do all parents in those countries abuse, starve and murder their own kids?
While what is happening there is grim, it's not relevant in this thread.
The thought that these "people" could have another child doesn't sit well with me at all.
Wouldn't any potential future offspring just be taken immediatley into care? Surely?
tom the point is that we get outraged I.e baby p, move on till the next outrage , while all the time kids are dying on a daily basis. sorry if you feel there is no connection.
The only connection is that children are dying (i really dont mean to sound insensitive here, but its difficult not to). IMO what has happened to Daniel and baby P is some how much worse. These were kids living in peacetime, and those whose job/natural instinct it was to protect them have turned on them, quite horrifically, for no good reason.
Im not saying war is justification for kids dying, but is a horrible fact of life. Parents killing their own kids is a different level of evil.
Parents killing their own kids is a different level of evil.
Agreed, but he was not killed by his own parents, just one, the other was his step-father. It is a significant factor.
Sterilisation doesn't go far enough, I'd use them instead of the robots for IED clearance in Afghanistan
I just think it's all desperately sad.
One thing that annoyed me, though, was Nick Clegg saying it should be on our consciences. **** off, Nick - I strongly dislike being told what to feel guilty about, especially by politicians.
it was harrowing reading about it, but i just don't understand why - why did they do it?
Every time I see that little boy on television, all I keep thinking is we would have looked after you and wanted you even if your parents didn't...
feel sorry for the coppers and people involved the the investigation?
read that the police had pictures Daniel on their walls, during the investigation, and they fell in love of the boy, and did their best to bring the accused to justice
ied clearing would be good
one of the guests on newsnight made an interesting point about why wasn't this noticed at his school. His point was malnourished children are more numerous than we would like to admit and to the teachers and staff at some schools it's "run of the mill". Whether this is true or not I don't know but if it is it's a chilling indictment of our society.
Appaling case for sure but as for the suggested responses.....-1 from me, I'm afraid.
Nick Clegg saying it should be on our consciences.
malnourished children are more numerous than we would like to admit and to the teachers and staff at some schools it's "run of the mill"
And whose conscience should that be on Nick?
Appaling case for sure but as for the suggested responses.....-1 from me, I'm afraid.
What would you like to see happen to the perpetrators of such a crime ?Do you think that rehabilitation into society is possible or even probable and maybe someone who does this needs to go to a secure mental unit for treatment ?
I've not been able to have live radio or news for a couple of days because of this, can't deal with such stories since I've become a Dad, it genuinely keeps me up all night.
All of these type of people, the April Jones killer in Wales, any child killers or abusers, the lot of em just take them straight from the trial and drop them in the North Sea. I'd adopt them all if I could. 😥
A million children in the UK are living with "food insecurity" according to research. This country, now, in the 21st century.
But according to the Tories, the big increase in people turning to food banks is only because there are more food banks.
It makes you think doesnt it ? There are loads of couples who cant conceive who would love to adopt a child and give it a loving home .I dont suppose a shrink would ever find out what makes a person abuse their own child in this way
I dont get the malnourished child bit .I brought my son up for 7 years on income support between the ages of 2 and 9 .I didnt have a car or a phone for a few of those years but I managed ok.I think some of it is down to educating people to actually cook food from scratch and not open a packet
A blog from someone who lives with the reality of food poverty:
We're not rich. By the standards of people on here, we're very poor. But I can't imagine how hard it is when you can't provide enough food for your child.
What was the proper dad doing in all of this? Was he around?
What was the proper dad doing in all of this? Was he around?
He lives in Poland
one of the guests on newsnight made an interesting point about why wasn't this noticed at his school. His point was malnourished children are more numerous than we would like to admit and to the teachers and staff at some schools it's "run of the mill". Whether this is true or not I don't know but if it is it's a chilling indictment of our society.
Mrs B teaches in a nice market town, and usually has a few each year that they are giving breakfast and lunch, often out of their own pockets. It's more common than most would think.
But she thought that some of the behaviour exhibited would have had the police in school.. but who knows how good the parent was at covering it up? Difficult to say 🙁
why wasn't this (malnutrition) noticed at his school
It was, but the [s]evil witch[/s] mother told them he had a rare eating disorder, and as such told them not to feed him.
This is what really troubles me. If they saw the lad as an inconvenience, (his awful living conditions suggest they did) then I guess that's why they weren't feeding him at home, but to go that extra mile and lie to others to make sure they didnt feed him either?? Utter evil, barely comprehensible, madness.
A million children in the UK are living with "food insecurity" according to research. This country, now, in the 21st century.
I can't get how that can be. Basic food over here is very, very cheap compared to other countries. I think the parents must be blowing their cash on Sky TV and fags before thinking about food for their kids.
As I said above I managed on income support and actually lived very healthily because I couldnt afford to buy ready made crap .I was my lightest and fittest in 96 in my income support years,and I had time to train loads as well!!
I can't get how that can be
I suspect because they have taken a fairly small sample, from a particularly poor part of the country, then scaled up. Makes for more sensational report headlines, see.
As I said above I managed on income support and actually lived very healthily because I couldnt afford to buy ready made crap
Which is great, but if your 4 years old you don't get income support directly to your piggy bank and if mum and step-dad are spending it all on the lash every night, or have a drug habit/ desperately need that 650b bike then you see sad cases like this.
Following on from other comments about kids going to School hungry - Mrs Freeagent is a secondary school science teacher in posh Bromley borough, she often has kids in class who've not eaten breakfast, have no money/food for lunch and tell her that they have to fend for themselves in the evenings.
Others live on a diet of chocolate, crisps and energy drinks (quite often they'll do a can of 'Monster' for breakfast, and another for lunch)
So although it sounds like the School did f*ck up in this case - hungry, mal-nourished kids are more common than you'd think, even in 'nice' places.
My in-laws are Foster carers and have had several kids (all fairly young) over the years who have arrived looking like they've been living wild in the woods - mal-nourished, thinning hair, sunken eyes, filthy dirty, rotten teeth..
so sad to think there are kids living local to all of us being treated like this...
Out of interest, those of you that disagree with the sterilising/culling/disposing of such people: do you have children?
Totally agree with you about kids and being fed properly and them not getting he money directly.I think the schools have a big part to play in helping social services .Thats assuming that school staff are allowed to say things without knee jerk suspension /sacking for doing so if they are wrong.
I disagree with the death penalty, because I feel it is little more than medieval retribution, and not something a civilized society should be doing, however I do feel people like this should be going away with no chance of ever seeing the light of day, and doing 10 hours a day hard graft in jail, not sitting about playing on the X-box.
My in-laws are Foster carers and have had several kids (all fairly young) over the years who have arrived looking like they've been living wild in the woods - mal-nourished, thinning hair, sunken eyes, filthy dirty, rotten teeth..
You quite often see people like this who have existed on a very poor diet .You often see adults on certain estates or in certain towns with a reputation shall we say who look way older than their years because of the way they have lived
Read that blog I linked to. Seriously. It's not just people blowing their benefits of Sky and fags.
Yes I have children but that does not alter my view that forced sterilisation is not the solution or indeed IMO morally supportable. Again IMO, I believe that the mark of a civilised society is how we treat others including those we disagree with and those who do evil things, I do not support the death penalty, I find the idea of chopping off the hand of a thief abhorrent and I think that we should be above ideas of forced medical procedure (lobotomies, sterilisation etc) as well.
Those people should be punished for sure but no one benefits from reverting to things that we outgrew many years ago (thankfully) and again IMO!!
But on a less forgiving note, I was shocked to hear the extent of excuse making on the radio this morning from people who should have known better. Shocking if not surprising.
The children they cant have after sterilization would be thankful.