Sorry it's a bit click baity, will be interesting to see how this is received / pans out.
You go girl!
Nice to see a motorist find out what it feels like to have a weapon used on them.
I am actually more worried that anyone would feel the need to carry a knife in a car for protection!!!
What frame mount for a glock?
Fidlock glock, great idea.
Taking a gun on a bike ride; that's a new one...
There are no winners in this scenario.
Over on Facebook I’m on a primarily US Triathlon group.
This question;
What frame mount for a glock?
Has more or less been asked.
One of these https://www.elevatelivingjoy.com/product/tactical-belly-band-holster-with-belt-and-support-band
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In a place where people can legally carry guns it is probably not advisable to wave a knife at someone. Knife to a gunfight and all that.
endomick
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Fidlock glock, great idea.
Could they be supplied with the bike?
Is the Fidlock Glock stock?
Tbh, in my head it depends if the guy was literally just about to stab you/ your partner or if you had plenty of time to point the weapon sat the bloke and make it clear he had better back off. Can't but think he might have backed off when faced with a gun? Who knows knows his mindset?
All the above easily said without being there though, etc, etc.
I’ve been to the Renn Center many times. It’s usually pretty quiet and safe in downtown. Having said that Detroit can be super dangerous and never argue with other car drivers (or cyclists in this case!) in the US
I am actually more worried that anyone would feel the need to carry a knife in a car for protection!!!
I’d have thought a carrying knife in Detroit is as much use for protection as strapping on a polystyrene hat to go cycling over the Sheppey bridge on a foggy day.
Well the few blocks of downtown are usually fine. Lots of police presence. Outside downtown the first piece of advise I was given working there was if you come to a junction and don’t feel safe, go through the red (obviously looking for cars) and the cops will understand/not ticket you.
Simply cannot share poopscoop's view, this guy was human trash, jumping out with a knife after a bit of road rage with a cyclist, hardly acting in self defence and in fear for his own safety was he. Let him back off, hardly think he'd learn his lesson, more likely he'd kill some other poor sod.
If you're willing to come at someone with a knife over a bit of verbal, then good riddance, having been in her shoes I wouldn't hesitate.
Taking a gun on a bike ride; that’s a new one…
... and fortunate she did.
I'm assuming that the cyclists could have cycled away from the man with a knife.
Was threatened by a driver in Sheffield a few years ago who waved a pair of what looked like old tailors cloth shears at me for having the audacity for not letting him squeeze by over traffic calming measures. It was somewhat bemusing and luckily I was just outside work and called a colleague over at which point the motorist drove off. Some odd people out there.
Detroit police sources say the man was in an SUV ...
Fair enough then
I've never been 100% sure of the open carry laws in the US but my understanding is that you can pretty much carry whatever type of firearm you want so long as it's not concealed (for which you need a special permit).
I think my approach would be to attach an AK-47 to the handlebars pointing forward and attach another under the saddle (might have to make some sort of rack to support the muzzle, I'm not sure) pointing backwards. It would be an interesting experiment to see how many close passes you got after that.
Edit: Just checked and apparently Michigan has 'Open carry allowed without permit. Permit required if carrying in vehicle.' That's interesting. Would mounting an AK-47 to your handlebars be considered 'in vehicle'. I feel it's one that could go all the way to the Supreme Court.
Onzadog
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endomick
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Fidlock glock, great idea.Could they be supplied with the bike?
Is the Fidlock Glock stock?
surely thats a FidGlock?
I love an understatement, me
“...For him to come out with a knife, and for her to come out with a gun, it just escalates the situation“
AK-47? Nah, that's a pea-shooter, fit a 50-cal and show everyone you mean business.
So glad I don't live like that!
America is f#@ked
Yep Michigan is a open carry state. I had a couple of employees that openly carried. Thankfully I never had to sack anyone when I was there, never mind non of the people who carried.
There are no winners in this scenario.
Absolutely this.
The woman had a concealed carry licence.
Poopscoops point is reasonable to me. Just shooting someone to kill for coming at you with a knife (if she had time to put him off) is what makes America so ****ed up.
I’ve never been 100% sure of the open carry laws in the US but my understanding is that you can pretty much carry whatever type of firearm you want so long as it’s not concealed (for which you need a special permit).
the laws differ between states and some are federal. To Cary a pistol concealed or otherwise you will often need a permit. Some states don’t allow you to openly carry a pistol. Rifles can usually be carried openly in a non threatening manner which usually means slung over a shoulder with the barrel pointing down.
in some states you can carry a gun in your car without permits. There is an argument that a person can carry a gun on their bicycle if it is in a bag attached t the bike.
that may not be 100% accurate, but is how I understood things to be.
Just shooting someone to kill for coming at you with a knife (if she had time to put him off) is what makes America so ****ed up.
He should have just gone English on their asses and ran them over and cried SMIDSY. Let off with a warning for sure.
I'm surprised that nobody had wondered how the dead man got there. Discovery MK3 is notoriously unreliable
I was given a book by an American colleague a few years ago that summarised the regulations, state by state, on what was allowed, how it could be carried and rated each state by ‘freedom’.
Yes, it was produced by the NRA.
Some states really are just demilitarised zones. There appears to be no restrictions on what you can own, shoot or carry.
Taking a gun on a bike ride; that’s a new one…
As mentioned in the triathlete post... a fair number of fatbikerists carry guns as options to bear spray in wilderness areas.. The "how do you carry your gun" topic comes up every now and again on Fb and other forums.....
There are so many gaps in that "report" that you really can't come to any conclusions at all about how it went down. Bits of the US are on such a hair trigger (sorry, no pun intended) I'm just not surprised anymore. This is what happens if you let folk got about with weaponry.
Some states really are just demilitarised zones. There appears to be no restrictions on what you can own, shoot or carry.
I would like to see the data which shows the correlation between tougher gun regs, and the gun deaths in those areas across the USA. I sure i read somewhere that the NRA got gun death records/recording banned?!
Im also sure i read something that shows that tough gun laws and low gun crime doesnt correlate
I used to ride with a former south african pro, who used to look dismissively at us loading shit into our camelbaks. His favourite line was "Why do you brahs carry all that shit, in Johannesburg I just pack a spare tube and my nine mil"
If someone got out their car raging and then came back with a knife...would you just not sprint off on your bike.
Or...would you stand your ground letting it escalate knowing that you had a gun and could just shoot them.
Seems to be a bit of a viscous circle.
FidGlock is too funny.
Can you get the Glock in red to match Hope brakes?
Looks like the driver learned a lesson.
The amount of abuse cyclists get rightly or wrongly it was bound to escalate at some point
If someone got out their car raging and then came back with a knife…would you just not sprint off on your bike.
Not always possible. Boxed in, traffic, road layout....
Seems to be a bit of a viscous circle.
Well he certainly met a sticky end. 😉
Seems to be a bit of a viscous circle.
Well he certainly met a sticky end.
Must have felt like he was wading through treacle when she pulled the gun.
It’s a tricky one for me. Had the shooter been a trained professional, I would have expected them to fire a warning shot, followed by non lethal shot followed by lethal shot.
But I’m guessing your average person won’t have had any sort of training like that. So I’m not sure if I can hold them accountable to that.
Then again, I’m not a trained pro and have never held a gun let alone fired one but it seems obvious to me that some warning shots etc should be tried first before stopping them forever.
Also I guess in the heat of the situation you just react and fire the gun to protect you and others?
I dunno just seems like a crazy situation that could have been avoided?!?!
1. Argument between cyclists and person in a large SUV occurs. The driver then speeds off and pulls in in front of the cyclists who are trapped against the curb and clipped in as the driver jumps out and runs around the car with a knife. As the happens the second cyclist draws their gun to warn off the driver, by this time it’s too late and she is worried her friend will get stabbed so shoots the driver in the leg, who then dies.
2.Argument between cyclists and person in a large SUV occurs. SUV driver speedS off 200m up the road and gets out with knife, posturing. Cyclists continue towards him, one draws their gun and shoots him in the head because she can.
3. Somewhere in between. If you stop and then get out of your car, then threaten somebody with a weapon this can happen. Honestly, having been on the receiving end of large vehicles being driven deliberately close to me and by inattention I can understand how the cyclist felt threatened by the argument. The knife was the final straw- the cyclist felt their life was threatened.
It’s a tricky one for me. Had the shooter been a trained professional, I would have expected them to fire a warning shot, followed by non lethal shot followed by lethal shot.
From the photos it looks like the middle of downtown, skyscrapers above and concrete road below. Where exactly are you pointing this warning shot so you dont kill someone else?
As for accurately airming a "non-lethal" shot while scared for your life - have a watch of some of those american police stop type shows. The cops generally empty the magazines at people 10 feet away with the voiceover saying "the suspect was uninjured".
It’s a tricky one for me. Had the shooter been a trained professional, I would have expected them to fire a warning shot, followed by non lethal shot followed by lethal shot.
There's no such thing, you'd need a gun that was self-guiding to the shoulder. This gets brought up every time the police shoot someone dead and there's journos going "why didn't you just shoot to wound?"
You pull a trigger, there's a high chance someone is going to die. Whether the shooter means that or not is largely irrelevant to the actual outcome.
jairaj
It’s a tricky one for me. Had the shooter been a trained professional, I would have expected them to fire a warning shot, followed by non lethal shot followed by lethal shot.
Supposed "trained professionals" are shooting unarmed civilians on a daily basis over there, the idea that people will pick and choose shots when faced with a knife wielding assailant is Hollywood fantasy.
porter_jamie
Im also sure i read something that shows that tough gun laws and low gun crime doesnt correlate
The do correlate in every other country. They don't in parts of the US like Chicago, which has stricter laws, but is surrounded by other states where guns are dished out like sweets to kids, and that used as the basis for the kind of nonsense you've just quoted by the NRA types
